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Tune in live to the final train station meeting, currently underway (Livestream)

Update: View comments posted during live broadcast…

The final meeting on the new train station location is still underway. If you have not tuned in to the live broadcast of the meeting, click here. The stakeholders are currently discussing the pros and cons of the Central Terminal and Downtown. Higgins is pushing hard for The Central Terminal – the final position statements are coming up soon. There are still media and social media rumblings that the downtown location was predetermined, and that these meetings are simply a matter of formalities.

Livestream offers the ability for viewers to comment live in a column – there are some great sentiments being broadcasted in the right hand column.

Following the meeting (and the voting), Mayor Byron W. Brown and Train Station Site Selection Stakeholders will meet with the media to announce their recommendation. 


Throughout the live broadcast, the community was able to comment. Below are the sentiments felt as the committee members spoke, voted and announced their final decision.

  • Promo the robot
    2 h

    blah blah blah

  • Sue Schunk Quirk
    2 h

    Where can I find the PowerPoint?

  • Promo the robot
    2 h

    we need a comprehensive transportation center to accommodate light rail, train bus and ride sharing with inexpensive options to city and suburbs Central terminal is visionary that would be world class

  • MZ
    2 h

    Where can i find a city that doesnt need so many people to make a decision

  • MZ
    2 h

    Also, can we stop listening to Tielman

  • Promo the robot
    2 h

    Liechtenstein 🙂

  • TrainStationCmte
    2 h

    See PowerPoint here: http://www.city-buffalo.com/files/New Site Images Aug 2016/Train Page/Buffalo Stakeholder Mtg 4-20-17_FINAL.pdf

  • Sue Schunk Quirk
    2 h

    THank you TrainStationCmte!

  • Promo the robot
    2 h

    im feeling self conscious they are all looking at me and im not in proper attire

  • Promo the robot
    2 h

    is there 1 visionary in this room?

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    2 h

    Which one of these people is a ‘STAKEHOLDER”? The stakeholders have spoken we want the central terminal

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    2 h

    Speak up Brian

  • MZ
    2 h

    theyre threatening to arrest people in the lobby now

  • Promo the robot
    2 h

    whats with all the bladder control issues?

  • Promo the robot
    2 h

    thats all they get is 1 train per day 🙂

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    2 h

    No one gives a crap about what a consultant thinks. They are paid PR. We elected our common council, our congressman, and our comptroller.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    2 h

    So efficiency does not include the train having to drive backwards to be able to go to Chicago and the rest of the country

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Nothing inefficient about trains moving backwards

  • MZ
    1 h

    We talk about this new buffalo, but we’re leaving the poor areas behind and making the rich richer

  • S

    Depew station goes to Chicago.

  • avatar

    Bull Oney

    1 h

    I wonder, if everyone left their phone outside the door before entering if we could get a quicker (and better informed) decision. just sayin’…

  • S

    check twitter

  • P

    funny how a pro CT location statement was muffled at end

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Literally every assistant is on their phone. Keeping tabs on the public rage at this outcome.

  • J

    Buffalo is already too crowded for the existing infrastructure.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Jesus christ, Amtrak is saying now that you cant travel backwards to access Chicago from down town. Wowwwwwww

  • P

    lets build a new stadium in attica

  • M

    MZ

    1 h

    lets save freezer queen

  • P

    Im for saving birds lives and replicating the existing peace bridge

  • M

    MZ

    1 h

    im for saving a building no one cares about in north buffalo, but i wont ever venture into the east side

  • J

    CT has the room to support taxi, bus, uber, freight, cars.

  • P

    how often do you ride amtrak

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Yeah lets clog downtown even more by creating a massive inter modal transit hub there. That ought to work well on game days

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    These people couldnt plan their way out of a paper bag

  • D

    this webcast is a mess. Who does IT for this?

  • D

    If the Central Terminal is not chosen then it will be a huge missed opportunity for this area. Very sad!

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Yeah down town is more ready because the crooks in this room have been planning for that event from the beginning.

  • J

    They are simply scoring the downtown site higher without question

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Consultant: we cant wait an extra year to make the right decision.

  • avatar

    A couple of years makes no difference

  • P

    go brian higgins :0

  • D

    Higgins spitting fire

  • avatar

    Noted, and ignored.

  • avatar

    I wonder if the scoring includes community desire?

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Bob Shibley, ring leader of this circus.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Consultant: there is literally no other space in Buffalo for heavy equipment to be stored.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Where was this kind of scrutiny on cost for the last Lou Ciminelli project?

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    We dont want train travelers to go to central terminal because then outsiders will see how badly we have neglected the East side for decades.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Terry Pegula just dropped a hockey crap bomb so people will ignore what downtown interests are doing on this train decision. Good lord.

  • J

    JJJJ123

    1 h

    Well if I traveled to Detroit I wouldn’t want to get dumped in an abandoned neighborhood either.

  • P

    this isnt detroit

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    No, its because they want to keep ignoring that neighborhood. Not for the pleasure and delight of passengers.

  • J

    JJJJ123

    1 h

    Agreed that it’s being ignored.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    If Lou Ciminelli gets the bid it will probably be pretty expensive.

  • J

    did we lose sound or is it just me

  • D

    we lost sound, but it’s back now, or at least it is on mine

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Yeah just lost it for a minute. Back now.

  • J

    sound good here thanks

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    We de-escalated the parameter on a component basis of the planning level with project based detailed component costs. blah blah blah

  • avatar

    Basically, the found a way to lower the penalty on Downtown, to justify pre-deciding on Downtown

  • J

    agreed

  • J

    JJJJ123

    1 h

    Did anybody go to the community meetings for this project? What was the community concensus?

  • J

    started off with the negatives about Central Terminal

  • D

    sometimes it feels like Higgins is the only one to have traveled and seen other places to compare and contrast ideas

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Community consensus is reflected by the overwhelming support for CT from elected officials

  • avatar

    GO HIGGINS!

  • J

    he is speaking truth and VISION

  • avatar

    The People who pay for this with our taxes want Central Terminal!

  • avatar

    Higgins, you are beautiful

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    How about access to Chicago and the entire west of the country?

  • S

    Depew will remain for that reason if downtown is chosen

  • avatar

    I’m afraid they are going to ruin downtown with too much shoved into it, and not enough to keep it recreational and natural.

  • A

    Cincinnati’s Union Station is not downtown

  • S

    I don’t care where it is. I love travelling via Amtrak.

  • S

    Depew is always PACKED. It’s crazy!

  • J

    JJJJ123

    1 h

    No

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    These dopes dont know how long this stupid decision is going to haunt them.

  • avatar

    They will make the wrong decision as usual. Then we will be tearing it down like the rapid transit which was a disaster for downtown.

  • C

    We’re building a station for the next 50 years – a station in DT Buffalo can’t expand for Amtrak Autotrain or High-Speed Rail.

  • C

    The CTRC is working independently to rebuild the Concourse. They just received a $225,000 grant.

  • L

    Leamon

    1 h

    Whats not being explained clearly is that a downtown station would mean Depew stays open. Central Terminal would handle ALL Amtrak traffic in the area. This is the real reason Central Termial costly.

  • J

    JJJJ123

    1 h

    Good point Leamon

  • C

    That holding pattern at the Terminal is BS. The Terminal gives us two crossing point to go west. The DT location has only one.

  • L

    Leamon

    1 h

    Also the price didn’t take into account the government funding for a historical project. So the price of Central Terminal is inflated.

  • C

    A DT station will cause west bound trains to backup 1 mile back into an active freight line. CSX freight has precedence over passenger rail.

  • C

    DT – sorry – Downtown

  • L

    Leamon

    1 h

    Someone is in someone else’s pockets…

  • L

    Leamon

    1 h

    The current downtown station is closing no matter what happens. Depew is the station in limbo

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Amtrak stated earlier in this meeting that trains will not be able to go in reverse from down town.

  • avatar

    It doesn’t matter what is said, wanted or better….the fix is already in and this is a JOKE.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Byron Brown is here to represent Terry Pegula.

  • L

    Leamon

    1 h

    Because CT will need to handle vastly more traffic. and that’s also not being considered.

  • avatar

    @GR because it will have to handle more traffic

  • C

    The CT has move growth options for the future. Current Amtrak, Light rail to the Airport, Bet Line if it comes back, High Speed Rail. AND Growth for AutoTrains for Amtrak – more revenue to them.

  • S

    They cannot even figure out how to score. LOL. I had mine finished an hour ago.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    Is there even a god damn vote here? They are scoring it so they dont have to vote up or down ?

  • C

    The low bridges…. bs too as Metro buses run on Williams Street and Fillmore Ave. And tour busses come into the neighborhood for Dyngus day.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 h

    This is soooo cowardly. They are taking the consultant score and adding some numbers to eliminate any personal accountability for this decision.

  • L

    Leamon

    1 h

    operations cost will be lower in one building. Also, you have existing ability to lease or rent out space in CT that wont exist to off set the cost of the DT location.

  • avatar

    @GR it’s a savings usually, unless you’re trying to skew a vote

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    59 m

    It makes me wonder how much effort this panel put into researching all options. The Committee never toured the Terminal as far as I understand.

  • A

    Amtrak will be a tenant at Central Terminal, not the owners of it. Cost might be slightly more given the vastness of space that Central Terminal has that will be required to heat and cool.

  • L

    Leamon

    58 m

    Truck traffic runs around the CT area with little to no issue as is. The who bridge clearance issue for buses is bogus. 3 major bus lines service that area. Rerouting or adding service is nothing.

  • A

    I want to see a copy of how each person voted and how each one scored.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    57 m

    Are we getting an up or down vote from this committee or not?

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    57 m

    The idea that the terminal will be desolate falls flat on its face as 1. there will be security in the Terminal and parking lot. Organic growth will happen in the Terminal based on this decision.

  • A

    Though the Tower or Baggage building has potential for residential and/or offices. The other buildings around the lot which aren’t owned by the same entity could play a roll in the future.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    56 m

    They would move 114,000 passenger arrivals/departures a year to the Terminal thereby opening up secondary support services – timmy ho’s restaurants, etc….

  • A

    Don’t forget the Canadian developer who wants to get involved with the CT!

  • J

    The area around CT is such a shithole and having the terminal located there will generate much needed ancillary businesses.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    55 m

    Aaron the buildings beyond the Baggage building is known as 59 Memorial and is owned by the City/

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    54 m

    James – developers are starting to buy buildings and one group is leasing space that will bring 200+ jobs next to the Broadway Market.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    53 m

    The Terminal get on average 5-7 requests per WEEK as a wedding venue.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    53 m

    Getting public funding for the Terminal will drive private investment to enclose the concourse and buildout the restaurant and kitchen.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    52 m

    Dyngus Day was held there for 3,000 people – it sold out. The place in in demand as a venue for paying customers.

  • K

    KC

    51 m

    I like turtles

  • J

    JJJJ123

    51 m

    me too KC

  • S

    Dyngus Day is once a year; we need to think of the traverers coming into our area.

  • avatar

    Jay Sailor

    51 m

    Quite honestly, I feel they have already decided and they are just doing this to appease the people.

  • S

    I agree Jay

  • P

    we need a comprehensive transportation center to accommodate light rail, train bus and ride sharing with inexpensive options to city and suburbs Central terminal is visionary that would be world class

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    50 m

    I’d like to see the Colored Musicians club take over the waiting room space and run a restaurant/music venue and pair up with WBFO and tape/syndicate Buffalo’s version of PBS’ Austin City Limits.

  • avatar

    Jay Sailor

    50 m

    Promo, that is so true.

  • J

    JJJJ123

    50 m

    I agree as well but it’s respectable that they are showing this for all to view. better than a ‘behind closed doors’ decision like most things in NYS

  • P

    open doors but closed minds

  • K

    KC

    49 m

    I agree JJJJ123

  • J

    JJJJ123

    48 m

    agreed promobot

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    48 m

    travellers coming into the area will not linger in a train station. How many times do people go to a bus station to hang out. The vision here should be seen as an economic redevelopment project.

  • S

    I am also impressed JJJJ…stop acting like everything is a secret. Now we now where everyone stands on the issue (well almost everyone). I hope they show how each person rated the choices.

  • S

    *know

  • J

    JJJJ123

    48 m

    agreed sue

  • S

    No one wants to get off a train in a new city at CT.

  • D

    Derek

    47 m

    The decision may be on video, but concerned citizens were just forced out of the lobby. Promo hit it on the head– open doors, closed minds, closed discussion

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    47 m

    That happens to have a Train Station component. A city owned single purpose train station will not generate 1 penny in revenue for the city or county. Put CT back on the Tax Rolls.

  • avatar

    Jay Sailor

    47 m

    CT would be ideal for revitalization and rejuvenation. WHy does everything have to be downtown? Buffalo is the 3rd poorest city in the Nation. Putting it at CT would help up build up the whole city

  • S

    Unless it becomes something like Grand Central or Penn Station

  • A

    No one wants to get off the train CURRENTLY at Central Terminal. Train service won’t start at Central Terminal tomorrow, this will take years just as work is being done on the complex.

  • A

    Central Terminal with train service will not be the Central Terminal we see today.

  • J

    JJJJ123

    46 m

    CT may be tougher and “more expensive” but I believe it forces the city to address a lot of issues with the East side as whole that they will need to figure out as they go. A good problem to have

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    46 m

    Yes this is a joke. They are calling this a stakeholders meeting. ?? The people are the stakeholders not these crooks.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    46 m

    Folks, the bottom line is – we need 2 stations because of the train track configuration. You Can’t go west from downtown unless you back the train up 1 one to get on the right line going west.

  • S

    Right, if the area around would grow and develop, it could be a beautiful station.

  • S

    We have Depew to go west

  • D

    Derek

    45 m

    Hear hear Aaron! Plus, right now trains drop people off downtown at 1AM, AFTER bus and train service ends. How is that any different than what people are griping about with CT?

  • A

    This is why you make the decision NOW, so all that ground work can be done. If you wait until the ground work has been done, it will likely be more expensive as everything will have to be reconfig.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    45 m

    The East side is in the state it is in for precisely the same reason that it will not be chosen for train site. Buffalo power does not want to benefit neighborhoods, especially poor black ones.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    44 m

    If a person wants to get downtown then they would get on either 2 of the 3 Amtrak routes that go to Niagara Falls or Toronto to stop in Buffalo.

  • A

    I argue that the East Side EXCEPT for Broadway-Fillmore is ignored. Train Service here will not take up a significant amount of space in the complex, but it acts as a tenant, gets people there and is

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    44 m

    Folks going from Albany to Chicago would never get off the train at Buffalo.

  • A

    a step in the right direction

  • R

    Rob T

    42 m

    when does this start?

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    42 m

    The CT has the Central Terminal Restoration Corp who has been caretakers of the building for over 20 years. They know what needs to be done so the preservationist argument is not a value one.

  • A

    GR: The work will need to be done in accordance with the Department of Interior standards if they are using the state and federal tax credits. Preservationist don’t need to babysit it

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    41 m

    We all know where this is heading…..

  • J

    JJJJ123

    41 m

    yeah…

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    40 m

    The Central Tendency? Not the Central Terminal. Shibley has some way with words.

  • J

    JJJJ123

    40 m

    lol

  • S

    Higgins looks antsy

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    40 m

    Higgins about to go postal after this BS

  • S

    right!

  • D

    Derek

    39 m

    There are five appointed officials on this committee, and a Dean and a Mayor with marching orders from the business committee: here’s hoping the community orgs, elected officials, and others do well

  • D

    Derek

    39 m

    business community*

  • S

    this is a good learning experience on behavior/body language, etc.

  • avatar

    Notice Higgins nervously swinging in his chair, cause he knows the fate has been decided

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    38 m

    It was decided before this committee was convened.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    38 m

    The balls these people have to call THEMSELVES stakeholders.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    37 m

    I wrote to the lady in the white hair – Amtrak . No response.

  • avatar

    I just came in – what did I miss?

  • S

    a lot of good comments!

  • avatar

    Jay Sailor

    36 m

    THey do not represent a true corss section of Buffalo.

  • A

    We are getting speakovers on our screen. Is anyone else having this problem?

  • S
  • C

    Cs Hunters

    36 m

    miss….. all the bs as to not why the ct.

  • avatar

    Sound OK on my end.

  • A

    it sounds like 2 people speaking at the same time.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    35 m

    sounds good here

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    35 m

    Their Motion says that they worked Diligently. Hmmm you mean sniped anonymously through the Buffalo News at Brian Higgins for months.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    34 m

    Why is Fahey in the room?

  • J

    JJJJ123

    34 m

    what are they showing on the screen?

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    34 m

    Sorry…. Hoyt?

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    34 m

    BS

  • S

    The results of the rating by each stakeholder

  • J

    JJJJ123

    33 m

    No….

  • R

    Rob T

    33 m

    doug?

  • R

    Rob T

    33 m

    Doug Flutie?

  • A

    Strange that Brown is the only one looking at the screen.

  • L

    Leamon

    33 m

    Flunky not Flutie lol

  • D

    Derek

    33 m

    Funke*

  • L

    Leamon

    32 m

    He’s looking because he’s in disbelief

  • A

    AOEJR

    32 m

    fahey works for Higgins!

  • L

    Leamon

    32 m

    lol thanks Derek

  • P

    for 44 million we can pay for each of the 125 people a day to take uber from CT to downtown for free for 10 years

  • D

    Danny

    32 m

    what a joke

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    31 m

    hahahaha. We want 2 stations now.

  • D

    Danny

    31 m

    they aren’t going to do anything the rest of the day anyways

  • A

    AOEJR

    31 m

    True

  • S

    Depew is a second station if downtown gets approved.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    31 m

    Robert rules allows for amending.

  • avatar

    Jay Sailor

    30 m

    True CS

  • R

    Rob T

    30 m

    Doug Funny?

  • avatar

    Jay Sailor

    29 m

    Like I said, they already decided before this. I just think Buffalo is a city on teh decline they they want you to believe is on the rise.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    29 m

    Doug is right. We’ll always need 2 stations because of the the rail lines. Amtrak will not backup a mile to get on a western line.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    29 m

    So yes…. 2 stations.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    29 m

    Jay is right. This was rigged from the jump.

  • D

    Danny

    28 m

    the city…other than Elmwood strip and canalside is shit

  • D

    Derek

    28 m

    If they had voted for CT they wouldn’t need two stations

  • S

    True Derek

  • K

    KC

    28 m

    How about 4 stations, make everyone happy.

  • A

    AOEJR

    28 m

    True Danny. So true!!!

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    28 m

    DT will not allow for Amtrak’s desire to add Autotrain for added revenue.

  • avatar

    their only stake is in downtown… They don’t care about the rest of the city… they have abandoned the Broadway/Fillmore district for decades and they are not going to change their minds now.

  • S

    C’mon Mark; nice way to wuss out. Just choose one already.

  • D

    Danny

    27 m

    wtf it isn’t their money….let the people vote

  • avatar

    Jay Sailor

    27 m

    Phyllis is right.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    27 m

    Don’t get silly with the # of stations – its based on facts. Folks need to understand the facts.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    27 m

    Yeah, Mark is covering his ass by muddying the water here.

  • A

    most conventions centers are a waste of money except for a few cities in the country.

  • S

    Agree Pete; nicely stated

  • A

    AOEJR

    26 m

    The people will vote in September…November. Remember this vote when you go to the polls!!

  • D

    Danny

    26 m

    Cuomo sucks…no one likes him everyone wants him gone…nyc keeps him in office

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    26 m

    Yes. Time to shit can some of these people.

  • avatar

    Jay Sailor

    26 m

    DAnny – right.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    25 m

    Let’s stick to the issue at hand.

  • P

    Scamble flutie

  • A

    AOEJR

    25 m

    Senator Kennedy stands tall!!!

  • avatar

    NY Central station is a non-issue

  • avatar

    The people in charge of Buffalo need to realize that the West side isn’t the only part of the city that matters…

  • K

    KC

    24 m

    Alternative tracks

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    24 m

    Agree Phyllis

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    24 m

    Alternate trains? for what?

  • J

    Connect the airport, colleges, medical campus, CT and downtown with a monorail. Trains east & west, express trains to Canada, Rochester, Cleveland, Albany, etc.

  • P

    flutie throw to phalen in end zone

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    24 m

    Alternate tracks.

  • D

    Derek

    23 m

    Just liked Mark Schroeder’s FB page. Several of the people who voted on this are mayoral appointees. It’s time to clear house

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    23 m

    Tim Kennedy is speaking up for Central Terminal but will vote for motion to put station down town. True weasel move.

  • D

    Derek

    23 m

    yup

  • avatar

    None of these people would be caught dead on a bus, subway, or Amtrak train

  • D

    Danny

    23 m

    Higgins has a crazy colic

  • A

    AOEJR

    23 m

    Higgins. The voice of the people of ALL of Buffalo and western NY!

  • avatar

    GO HIGGINS!!! Tell them!

  • A

    AOEJR

    22 m

    88% favor CT. Nuff Said!!!!

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    22 m

    HAHAHHAA 87.9 percent of public want CT.

  • R

    Rob T

    22 m

    dayummmm

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    22 m

    Why is Hoyt in the room? He’s not on the Committee.

  • avatar

    Actual Amtrak passengers were not asked where they’d want a station

  • A

    AOEJR

    21 m

    That 88% (rounded up) can make a difference in September and November. This year…and next!!!

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    21 m

    Higgins: you people are ignoring the public and making a colossal disaster of a mistake.

  • D

    that gong sound, they should’ve hired an orchestra to politely play them off

  • S

    Really, ask the riders!

  • J

    JJJJ123

    20 m

    Zemsky telling Shib to sound the bell on Higgins…

  • A

    AOEJR

    19 m

    Committee needs ALL MORE GUTS!!!!! Front page of tomorrows paper!

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    19 m

    new Buffalo will be paralyzed by poor decisions

  • avatar

    Making speeches instead of discussing in plain English

  • avatar

    Egos on display

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    18 m

    Booo Howard…. How much revenue will a new downtown station bring to the tax base? $0.

  • A

    AOEJR

    18 m

    Wish more had the guts that Higgins has. Its a damn shame that they are still even trying to promote downtown after a survey, that they commissioned, say 9 to 1 for CT!

  • J

    JJJJ123

    17 m

    yeah it is sad how the public opinion is dismissed and not even mentioned

  • A

    What a lot of BS. Tillman is talking garbage!!!

  • A

    AOEJR

    17 m

    Really efffed up JJJJ. I agree!!!

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    17 m

    No you cant. Sorry Howie.

  • D

    Danny

    17 m

    public vote

  • S

    What survey???

  • S

    I never heard of one

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    16 m

    Ok, let’s see the State invest in a big way in the CT. Now the time is to step up Gov, Mayor, County Exec, etc…..

  • avatar

    They COULD just put a new roof on the Exchange Street station & renovate the interior

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    16 m

    exactly Dan.

  • avatar

    Pretty much everything on the Empire service/Maple Leaf is a gorgeous restored station except Depew and BFX

  • A

    We should demand a public vote!!!

  • J

    JJJJ123

    16 m

    yeah but 300 amtrak passengers a day warrants a $25m investment…

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    15 m

    So professional and diligent, but the Buffalo News has been quoting some of these cowards anonymously with their daggers for Brian Higgins and the CT site.

  • D

    Derek

    15 m

    That’s just the thing: if they’re going to spend $25-50million no matter what, it should go in a place where it will have the greatest impact. If it’s just going to be downtown, then fix what’s there

  • J

    JJJJ123

    15 m

    Who is this guy speaking with the pony tail?

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    15 m

    Buffalo needs a two station solution. CT as a main Station and a train stop in One Seneca Tower to help put both buildings back on the city and County tax rolls.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    15 m

    Bus station guy

  • A

    If the Train had better access to other locations more people would use Amtrak. I would definitely. Right now we have to go to NYC to change tracks. CT can do this!

  • J

    JJJJ123

    15 m

    thanks Pete

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    14 m

    blah, blah, blah….

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    14 m

    I want to thank Daddy Cuomo

  • R

    Rob T

    14 m

    Bleh

  • A

    AOEJR

    14 m

    get your boots on!!!

  • R

    Rob T

    14 m

    “lending”

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    14 m

    roll up your sleeves for one and lead from the front.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    14 m

    Daddy gave us a homework assignment and Im proud to say we have done it.

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    14 m

    once

  • J

    James Bill

    14 m

    looks like its downtown they are just wasting time

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    13 m

    Parsons Brinkerhoff is a campaign contributor of Byron Brown and Governor Cuomo

  • P

    go joe Frazier at the end

  • D

    Derek

    13 m

    Heard but not listened to

  • avatar

    What I want to know is why are they not entertaining the idea of a park in Tonawanda, north of Riverside, close to the strip club

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    13 m

    or tear down another good building

  • A

    AOEJR

    13 m

    “where the public would be heard”???? GTF out of here!!!!!~

  • J

    JJJJ123

    13 m

    correct derek

  • avatar

    Bull Oney

    13 m

    “I’d like to thank gov Cuomo for giving this to us….” Are you kidding? Giving us what? Some of OUR own money back?

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    13 m

    Transparent process where members of the committee will be anonymously sniping and posturing against the Central Terminal.

  • P

    typical

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    12 m

    It has been preserved. It needs to be USED

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    12 m

    Ok , I heard you Mayor.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    12 m

    lollllllllll

  • avatar

    Sure looks like Polonia has been ignored

  • D

    Derek

    12 m

    this is hilarious

  • A

    AOEJR

    12 m

    yes there are (forgotten neighborhoods)

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    12 m

    lolololololol

  • D

    Gong Mayor bum please

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    12 m

    lol

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    11 m

    housing where?

  • D

    Derek

    11 m

    “Invested heavily”– in demolition funds. “Broadway market”– which under city supervision is largely empty

  • avatar

    Jay Sailor

    11 m

    LIE FROM THE MAYOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • J

    JJJJ123

    11 m

    there are no forgotten neighborhoods?

  • A

    Lies

  • avatar

    demolitions… that’s investment

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    11 m

    structural unemployment for black people, racist policing, gentrification and lead poising

  • avatar

    How about building?

  • avatar

    Schroeder ’17

  • C

    Cs Hunters

    11 m

    Demotions….. YES – via City neglect! No code enforcement of absentee owners.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    11 m

    food deserts, failing schools, foreclosures, opiod epidemic

  • J

    JJJJ123

    10 m

    This speech isn’t making him look well…

  • A

    …and coumo’s puppet has spoken

  • avatar

    the Mayor is sounding good but that is all that it is… Talk, I don’t see much action going on , except a lot of vacant lots…

  • A

    AOEJR

    10 m

    I challenge anyone here to walk anywhere within a 800 yard radius of CT. Wherever you go…., its FORGOTTEN!!! Its, CT area, is the VERY definition of FORGOTTEN.

  • avatar

    Byron thinks that bulldozing 100% of a problem neighborhood would = success

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    9 m

    lolllll

  • D

    Derek

    9 m

    I hope this is available for download– I want that clip of Brown saying there are no forgotten neighborhoods and touring “demolition” as investment

  • avatar

    Sadly

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    9 m

    we have movies at the CT. we dont need trains

  • A

    AOEJR

    9 m

    Excuse me. I gotta go to the bathroom and puke. Thank God that HIGGINS has gonads!!!

  • C

    DT will became a s-hole via cramming every possible thing DT.

  • J

    JJJJ123

    9 m

    so, whats the next step with CT?

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    9 m

    seriously F down town

  • C

    God Bless you Assemblywomen.

  • J

    JJJJ123

    8 m

    let’s invest in CT and knock more stuff down around it

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    8 m

    its disneyland bullshit with what they’ve done to it

  • D

    Danny

    8 m

    I was away for a few….whats happing

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    8 m

    this is win win? by ignoring what the vast majority of the public wants to do?

  • P

    here we go

  • avatar

    Again, these men and the few women, are only interested in pouring more money in downtown and any neighborhood west of Main St. Take a look at any street east or south and see the truth.

  • avatar

    CT still exists only because demolition would cost so much

  • J

    JJJJ123

    7 m

    There’s no play from here for CT

  • P

    is he on sedatives?

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    7 m

    this is the beginning of the continuance….

  • P

    bottom of his heart

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    7 m

    Thoughtful debate with anonymous comments to the Buffalo News about you cowards displeasure with Brian Higgins.

  • D

    Danny

    7 m

    canalside is busy enough

  • C

    Get $20 Million from the Buffalo half-billion destined for a Grand Island Tourist center and move it to the CT to revamp the Concourse and Restaurant. Do we need a building to tell people where togo

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    6 m

    Some of these people do not even want to comment? what are they here for?

  • avatar

    The nays are the only sane ones in the room

  • A

    I take it i missed a motion?

  • avatar

    Wonder what property downtown those for the motion own or have interest.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    5 m

    who is abstaining?

  • D

    yay!!!! the same guys that said Bass Pro would be great smack in the center of downtown now vote for this DT instead of CT

  • D

    Danny

    5 m

    where is it going? downtown?

  • avatar

    Any new station is going right next to the Exchange St station

  • avatar

    Downtown

  • D

    downtown

  • S

    I could see both sides. I’ll give them a chance to prove themselves.

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    4 m

    Bobbbbbbbbby boy

  • D

    Danny

    4 m

    fixed all along

  • A

    WRITE THE GOVERNOR AND DEMAND A PUBLIC VOTE. IT’S PUBLIC MONEY!

  • J

    JJJJ123

    4 m

    abstain. what a waste

  • avatar

    666 viewers right now lol

  • C

    DOT – great put the station under the I-190 where concrete slabs will fall/

  • K

    KC

    4 m

    I like turtles!!!

  • A

    AOEJR

    4 m

    Higgins, Kennedy, Poloncarz abd Connie Moss speaking up for the 87.9% I hope that we all remember them for standing tall when the deck was stacked against the people!

  • avatar

    ^^^

  • avatar

    Take down the 190

  • avatar

    Mayor Brown is out at the next election

  • A

    CHRYSTAL PEOPLES IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    3 m

    1-518-474-8390

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    3 m

    call Andrew Cuomo right now

  • A

    AOEJR

    3 m

    VOTE in September…November! This year and next.

  • P

    calling will do nothing

  • avatar

    Brown’s peeps will continue to reelect him until he’s dead or retires

  • D

    Danny

    2 m

    Cuomo and brown gotta go !!!!

  • A

    lies!!!

  • K

    KC

    2 m

    Vote early, vote often.

  • S

    Now let’s go get drunk

  • avatar

    hah @ Sue

  • avatar

    Pete Zah

    1 m

    BOOoooooooo

  • D

    Danny

    1 m

    waaaa

  • D

    Danny

    now

    what a crock

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  • MrGreenJeans

    Great fun! There were at least 668 viewers, observing the speechifying do-nothings who pretend to be “stakeholders” and “representatives of The People”. No plain English, intelligent discussion was displayed, but it was still entertaining.

  • David Pastor

    So now it is truly millions of dollars for only 108 people a day vs combining stations for around 400 people a day. Not to mention, no further investment will come from a downtown station while theTerminal would have sparked a lot of private investment. The site selection process was flowed from the start. The committee was selected so the decision went their way. A lose lose for Buffalo.