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Happy Hour: Social Justice Under Trump

Those fighting for social justice are understandably anxious on the cusp of Donald Trump’s inauguration as president.

What’s in store and how should advocates of social justice respond?

Investigative Post is hosting a panel discussion to consider those questions Wednesday, Jan. 18, at 7 p.m. at Allen Street Hardware, 245 Allen Street. Editor Jim Heaney will moderate a panel discussion that will include Shaketa Redden of Just Resisting, Gamileh Jamil of ACCESS WNY, and Erin Heaney of Showing Up for Racial Justice, and formerly of the Clean Air Coalition of Western New York.

Topics up for discussion include racial justice; immigration; the environment; women’s rights; drug enforcement and sentencing reform; and income inequality, organized labor and other economic justice issues.

The event is part of Investigative Post’s happy hour panel discussion series. Admission is free to Investigative Post members and $10 for the public. Admission includes a free drink. Tickets can be purchased online and, if still available, at the door.

Investigative Post is a nonprofit investigative reporting center based in Buffalo.

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  • Wally Balls

    A group of liberals hosting a panel which features another group of raging liberals, to discuss an overtly liberal agenda. I’m sure safety pins will be passed out at the door for the snowflakes to mark themselves.

    • LancasterPat

      Agreed. Thank you Buffalo Rising for telling me where NOT to be on 1/18 at 7pm.

    • Wise Profit

      They were going to have Paladino on the panel as well to represent the conservative ideal but unfortunately he’s still recovering from a severe case of the racisms.

      • Wally Balls

        Telling someone that he hopes they get mad cow is racist?

        • Wise Profit

          No I think it would be this part here when speaking about the First Lady
          “I’d like her to return to being a male and let loose in the outback of Zimbabwe where she lives comfortably in a cave with Maxie, the gorilla,”

          • Wally Balls

            Telling the FLOTUS to live in a cave in another country with wild animals is racist? How so? I can see calling him a sexist for the male comment…

          • Wise Profit

            Referencing that an African American should return to an African country and associate with a gorilla, an animal which throughout history has been used as a symbol of the inferiority of African American people, is most certainly racist.
            You can play dumb all you’d like but that clear racist symbolism has been widely known for about two centuries.

          • Wally Balls

            Don’t you liberals believe that we all evolved from apes and gorillas anyway? Would it be better if he said India and crocodiles? Or Canada and moose? Mexico and donkeys? Its arbitrary and you’re a butt-hurt snowflake.

          • Wise Profit

            It would really not be a problem if not for centuries of scientists, political cartoonists and other white people specifically using ape-like imagery to depict African Americans and using a perceived connection between the two as a reason to believe that African Americans are inferior to white people.
            Again you can play dumb, or maybe you just are dumb, but it is a well known racist symbol that has pervaded society since long before you or I were born.

          • JRyan154

            He said “go back to Africa and live with gorillas” to a black woman and you don’t think that’s racist?

          • Wally Balls

            No more racist than when Jim Heaney said “he’s gotta go” calling for the murder of Paladino….

          • Davvid

            Do you understand why others might find it offensive, even if you don’t?

          • OldFirstWard

            I agree that it was a stupid thing to say, but is it REALLY offensive or just another EXCUSE to hound Paladino because of his views. Why not just ignore him, why all this whining?

            How was this stuff said, was it recorded, an e-mail or text, or verbally told to someone?

          • grovercleveland

            You are kidding me right? He emailed it to artvoice as his new years wish. Of course its wildly offensive.

          • Wise Profit

            No it really was offensive and was really racist and it coincides with other racist remarks that Paladino has made in the past. Willful ignorance is a choice you can make to make you feel better about supporting a despicable person but anyone with a functional brain can see right through it.

          • Wally Balls

            I understand that there are people out there who find pretty much everything offensive, for the sake of arguing with people. As Morgan Freeman said, if you want to stop racism, stop making everything racist. I’m a conservative and I don’t see gorillas when I look at AA’s.

          • Davvid

            I agree that there are some people who seem offended by nearly everything. But I do not think that this is one of those cases. Even if you’re somehow unaware of the history of racist slurs involving references to apes, it should just be obvious that being compared to an inelegant animal is blatantly meant to offend.

            My guess is that Paladino sees how Trump has been able to expand his name recognition by offending liberals, so he’s trying to see if it will work for him.

          • Wally Balls

            Liberals offend me everyday. I just don’t whine about it.

          • Davvid

            Maybe you should let them know it when they do.

          • Wally Balls

            That’s going to somehow change something?

          • Davvid

            It depends on how you let them know. If you have a decent point, they might take you seriously.

          • Wally Balls

            That never works for the turnabout.

          • Bennett Collins

            TROLL. Stop engaging with him.

          • flancrest

            what are you doing here if not that?

          • Wally Balls

            Making observations isn’t “whining.”

          • flancrest

            Ok snowflake. Funny how you can dish but once someone calls you a whiner you start crying.

          • Wally Balls

            Yea, that’s not whining snowflake. Deflection – the response of the libtard. Carry on.

          • flancrest

            I don’t want to upset you in your safe space, I’m sorry that reading words has so enraged you. At least until it’s repealed, mental health coverage is available under the ACA. It’ll be ok Trumpkin, it’ll all be ok.

          • Wally Balls

            Ohhhhh, I get it now, troll. You think that by somehow referring to me with the nomenclature used to describe your people, it somehow lessens the fact that you’re a snowflake, with a safe space. I got it.

          • flancrest

            We’re all snowflakes in safe spaces behind keyboards and monitors (though I’m confident yours is more spittle covered than most), the difference is how we use it.

          • Wally Balls

            My name on my profile, yours is fake. The only snowflake hiding behind their keyboard is you.

          • JRyan154

            “He’s gotta go means he needs to be murdered, not ‘he needs to be removed from the school board’.”

            Is that an actual thought that was processed in your mind and that you then agreed with?”

            Anywho, can’t do much chatting now. I gotta go…

          • Wally Balls

            In Italian mob movies, whenever the protagonist is taken off to be killed, they say “he’s gotta go.” The Sopranos especially. Anyone who says “he’s gotta go” in reference to Carl Paladino is practicing anti-Italianism and hatred, because Carl is an Italian American. Take your anti- Italian sentiment elsewhere.

          • Wise Profit

            Grasping, grasping.
            “He’s gotta go” – Are you joking? People say that phrase without any reference to Italian mob movies on a daily basis. How often do you hear people refer to African Americans and apes in the same sentence that is not being used in a negative way? NEVER. That’s why an official in W Virginia was fired for saying Michelle Obama was an “ape in heels”. Do you think that was meant as a compliment? Well she was fired so I guess the rest of the country didn’t think so.
            If you think Paladino arbitrarily picked an African country and a member of the ape species to describe Michelle Obama and what he wishes of her, then you are just being willfully ignorant.

          • Wally Balls

            I find it offensive, Heaney should apologize and resign.

          • grovercleveland

            you are trying way to hard buddy.

          • Michael DiPasquale

            A white man saying something about another white man cannot be racist.

          • Wally Balls

            It absolutely can, you’re being racist to me right now.

        • BlackRockLifer

          Those that attempt to defend vile vulgar racists are generally vile vulgar racists.

          • Wally Balls

            Ahhh yes, the ol’ “he has a differing opinion, so he must be racist” idealogy. That’s both creative, clever and new…

          • BlackRockLifer

            Paladino’s comments were clearly racist, it’s not a matter of a “differing opinion”, any decent person knows the difference. Your false claims are very Trump like, denying the obvious truth even though the evidence is overwhelming.

          • Wally Balls

            They’re only racist because youre a snowflake. Move on.

          • BlackRockLifer

            Once again, how Trump like, making ridiculous accusations with no basis in fact.
            As for snowflake, I got news for you tough guy, I have lived in Black Rock for almost 60 years, never known anyone that fits that description. Just one more example of your ignorance.

          • Wally Balls

            If you think your feelings, or the feelings of the POTUS and FLOTUS somehow matter, you’re a snowflake. Ok, snowflake?

          • nyc_lines

            the only snowflake i know is the guy who consistently whines to the whole country on twitter. sad!

          • Wally Balls

            You whine to the whole country? Weird and unnecessary, snowflake.

          • nyc_lines

            Wow you are good at this!

      • Diaper Daddy

        You’re arguing with someone named “Wally Balls.”
        -Diaper Daddy

        • Wally Balls

          My name is Walter Balls. My family has been calling me Wally for years “Diaper Daddy.”

    • Michael DiPasquale

      You really need to find another site to rant on.

  • Wise Profit

    $10 for a happy hour drink? Jeesh it better not be well drinks.

  • Davvid

    Action needs to happen at the local level, far away from CNN and twitter. More local conversations need to be happen so that people can learn what social justice really is and how they might already be social justice activists without even realizing it. I would like to see more unexpected coalitions organized that pull together the usual crowd of activists with people who pay attention to politics, but do so quietly and privately. We need to disrupt the cartoon image that the media has made for what people look like on the political left and the right. Places of worship need to be more involved. As someone who grew up Catholic, I know that there is a strong tradition of social justice advocacy in the Catholic community. I also know that before gay marriage became legal, Catholics supported it in larger numbers than any other christian denomination, even while the media portrayed Catholics as being conservative and prudish. We need to be willing to build alliances across boundaries that defy stereotypes. Find those police officers willing to assert that Black Lives Matter. Find those pro-choice Catholics. Find those pro-Union Gun Owners. Find those anti-war veterans. Find those pro-LGBT conservatives. I meet people like this all the time. Real people are much more complicated than the media makes them out to be, and nobody out there wants to be oppressed.

    • Wise Profit

      Please no religion in politics. There is more than enough already.

    • OldFirstWard

      Pro-choice and Catholicism ARE mutually exclusive. Catholicism will never endorse the killing of unborn children. If you support that action, then you need to leave the Church and become a Protestant.

      • Davvid

        Well, you must be one of those “good” catholics. Congrats. But my experience is that plenty of rules are sidestepped/ignored quietly by many Catholics. Theres a reason you don’t see many families with more than 3 or 4 kids in South Buffalo. The reason: contraception. Regarding abortion, most women who have abortions don’t advertise it. The result is that men like us are less aware of it or how common it is. We’re also not familiar with the reality (the real reality) of what women in that situation are experiencing.

        I guess what I mean is that we need to start being more honest with each other and step out from the oversimplified labels that get in the way of actual understanding.

        • OldFirstWard

          Being good has nothing to do with it. It is Church doctrine and Christian religious dogma. The rules don’t change on issues of life because of popular sentiment. There really is nothing to discuss about it. The Church has over 2000 years of thought and discussion on many issues. It is a settled matter from day one. Only the sheer ignorance of some Americans can actually believe that the Church should change its ways to accommodate them.

          • Davvid

            I’m not even talking about the religion itself. I’m talking about the people and the reality of their lives. We shouldn’t be afraid to talk about what actually goes on in people’s lives. The sex absuse scandal and the ongoing struggle with corruption in the church shows us that transparency and honesty is what is needed. When inconvenient realities are swept under the rug and not discussed, it creates an environment where abuse and corruption can take place.

          • OldFirstWard

            So then when you go to a friends house, they should post on the door all their transgressions and crimes for you to read and evaluate before entering.

            I get it, but corruption has been around for centuries and will never go away. Just look at NY politics and business.

          • Wise Profit

            There is a fundamental difference between corruption in an organization whose sole purpose is to tell you how to live a “good life” and with political or business entities whose job is to serve the public or make money.

          • Davvid

            My best friends call me out on my shit all the time.

          • Wise Profit

            “The Church has over 2000 years of thought and discussion on many issues. It is a settled matter from day one.”
            The First and Second Vatican Councils suggest otherwise. I no longer subscribe to religion and even I know that going back to memory from my childhood.

          • Mytwocents

            “It is church doctrine” yeah, until the Pope decides, or “hears the word of God”, that change should be made.

  • Looks like The Buffalo News’ old Disqus system is leaking again.

  • phj

    Social justice? I am so tired of liberal terminolgy and the constant barrage of race gender and class warefare. The left is so quick to label and take every abstract point and twist it. They have been exposed as the most intolerent and divisive group. Yes.and their plans never work in the real world and off course its evil to work hard and be successful. Do me all a favor…alot of your issues relate to competition for resources, waste. preservation, conservation..ect …and are truly related to human population growth. Go work on that one first and get back to us..thanks

    • No_Illusions

      Liberals aren’t the ones spewing hate from their mouths…

      Why do you care? What do you need a safe space?

      • phj

        yeah that makes a lot of sense? ….na ..na na ..nanana ..what time do you get dropped off in the morning?

  • distas

    So what your telling me is the supporters of big government are scared an elected official has too much power and might abuse it to harm its own people?

    • LancasterPat

      They’ll never answer that question. Leftists love government until it’s controlled by a republican. Once that happens, they call republicans authoritarians and they preach about obeying the Constitution. Two things that are completely laughable coming from them. The only thing more amusing, is listening to the leftists now advocate for States Rights.

    • BlackRockLifer

      No, people are scared that a serial liar and megalomaniac that lacks even a shred of basic decency is about to defile our presidency.

  • sydsizer

    I say this in all honesty, I hope Trump fails miserably. An utter failure is truly in America’s best interest. Let me reiterate, I’m not joking in the least. Pray Trump fails, as to repudiate him and the Republican’s 30 year scam agenda. My only optimism about the god awful Trumplican ‘platform’ (again, let me clarify, its a fraudulent scam through in through), is that Americans finally realize they’ve been had by Republicans. Then again so many rubes voted for this fraud, I think we’re going to be in a terrible place for many many years (or until most of the angry, sacred, white people die off).

    • phj

      Ok Forest…did you find a crash helmet yet?

    • Yup

      Remember when you said those rooting for Obama to fail were unpatriotic?
      I can taste the hypocrisy…

      • BlackRockLifer

        Difference is Obama is a man of integrity and basic decency and a good father and husband. Obama is intelligent, thoughtful and has good judgement.
        Trump is a vile vulgar serial liar and cheater that bragged about sexually assaulting women. He also lacks respect for others and has repeatedly demonstrated poor judgement and a lack of basic decency.

  • rubagreta

    Pay me $10 and I’ll come. Maybe. It would be tough to listen to the Trump = Hitler lectures.

    By the way, why is this on Buffalo Rising? I don’t think many people come here to be lectured on politics.

    PS – No fan of Trump here.

    • Michael DiPasquale

      Then, why are you reading it?

  • Doug Wallis

    What we have across the country are proponents of diversity as long as it is not diversity of thought away from cultural Marxism.
    What we have is feminism that picks and chooses its victimization to demand rights for which are beneficial to them but none of the associated responsibilities. its like the argument for women making 73 cents to a mans dollar without explaining that federal law requires equal pay but omitting that women prefer flextime because they have children while men prefer overtime because they have a family to support…so while the wages are the same…the lifetime earnings are different because they make different choices.
    -the result is the only way for women to get advantages is to take them away from men. If women truly believed in gender equality there would also be a bureau for the affairs of men, there would be no alimony, men would get joint custody or sole custody with the child residing with the father in a 50% ratio.
    -the next effect is that we have a society that interprets social justice as anti-boy, anti-male, anti-husband, anti-father, anti-marriage … and a government that finances it thru single mothers … and a govt that enshrines it in law.
    The other aspect of social just that is bizarre is the social justice interpretation of racism, discrimination, prejudice, micro aggressions, etc. Again its granting societal privileges to non-whites at the expense of whites with accusations of poverty even though there are large sections of America where whites are poorer than minorities and immigrants (legal and illegal). There are immigrants to our country who came in the 1890s and still don’t have a single member of their family with a college education even as illegals can go to college on the govt dime. So its not about structural poverty, if it were then race, religion, ethnicity, gender, marital status…would not matter…only legal citizenship, legal residency and means testing would assure fair and equal outcome. The fact that African americans are 4x as violent as whites and Asians is not the fault of prejudice because they were not that violent pre-1960 before the govt programs came and blacks were raised in 2 parent households and intact families. What you really have is an anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male prejudice in our society meant to disadvantage them to advantage minorities who make stupid life choices to qualify for govt programs.
    Look if you have societal benefits then you must have societal responsibilities. If the govt offers a social safety net then the govt must also enforce immigration. The US (nor Canada, nor Europe, ANZ, etc) can allow 1.6 billion muslims, 1.5 billion Chinese, 1 billion Indians to immigrate. You can either have open borders and give up your social security, welfare, food stamps, unemployment, medicare, Medicaid, municipal housing, govt cell phones, etc or you can keep your social programs but restrict legal immigration only when there are specific labor shortages.

  • Doug Wallis

    Paladino may be inarticulate but he no prejudiced and he is on the correct side of the logical equation. Its the Marxist liberals that are crazy.

    • Matt Marcinkiewicz

      actually, he’s articulate but prejuice. you have it eactly backwars

      my keyboar is incapable of responing to the comman to type two certain letters at this moment, ue to a recent catastrophic beer spill–can you guess what they are

    • BlackRockLifer

      Those that attempt to defend vile vulgar racists are usually vile vulgar racists.

  • Yup

    Hello! Don’t think for yourself?
    Stop on by, we’ll do it for you!

    • BlackRockLifer

      Its not fair to lump all Trump supporters together as naïve blind followers of a con man, some are decent people that just made a tragic mistake.

  • Davvid

    Honestly, it probably is not the best choice to have this at what might be considered a yuppy bar. Maybe the organizers should consider having the next discussion at a union hall. There has also got to be a major focus on economic justice if we want progressive change.

  • Michael DiPasquale

    I’m glad to hear that IP is hosting this panel discussion. Wednesday’s so-called press conference was strange and scary. Whenever Mr. T. is confronted with news he doesn’t like, he attacks….just as his friend Putin does. You have to wonder why Putin is the only person the incoming president consistently defends……..what’s with that? It’s not normal.

  • Pete

    Sounds like a liberal cluster f*ck.