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Carl Paladino came to the Buffalo Rising office Wednesday to talk about the downtown casino. When we heard about his comments in favor of demolishing the former AM&A's Building, we asked the Buffalo developer to weigh in on that first.

Paladino, never one to mince words, was happy to share his views. We learned things from him about the structure of the building we hadn't previously heard. In addition, Paladino had some very strong opinions about building owners who neglect their properties, going so far as to suggest they should be imprisoned.

In Part 2, which we'll post tomorrow, Paladino shares his thoughts on a casino, the interim casino, the Senecas, and our current and past administrations.

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  1. priezcykniewski

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    May 31st 2007, 12:09

    you give 'em hell Carl. why are'nt you you mayor then things would get done round here. the only one that says it and does it like it is. you crzy others here open up your treasure chests and give this guy what he needs to hget us to places.

  2. SignWizard

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    May 31st 2007, 12:16

    Great interview. Interesting to here his explaination. I still don't understand why the city has to buy and pay for the demolishion vs. a developer who sees value in the building. I would like to here Carl's opion on that. Im sure he would be at the front of the line to jump on the RFP. Also I do not agree with his view of the Canal from the interview.

  3. Jas

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    May 31st 2007, 12:36

    And these ideas are coming from a guy who lets his own properties sit and become neglected! That bum Paladino wants to demolish all of downtown.

  4. chris69

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    May 31st 2007, 12:54

    Im kind of disgusted that Buffalorising would post Paladino on a demolition....its little more than propaganda for people who are in the business of letting buildings decay, demolish them and either use them for parking or leave them fallow...as so called shovel ready sites.

    Its equivalent to letting a rapist time to give his perspective on why he sexually abused someone....well they looked neglected..and sexually frustrated people arent good for the community...and its not good for their health..it was a community service and an act of compassion...I thought I was doing a good thing...

    well these so called developers are in effect rapists....they arent providing a public service by building residential, office or industrial space...they are performing a public violation by neglect and demolition.

    I didnt need to here the interview on demolishing aM&As thank you!!!!!!!

  5. Hospitable

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    May 31st 2007, 12:59

    Demolish.. demolish.. demolish... its not always the answer Carl.. level Am&as for a shovel ready so we hope someone will build there... and on the 10,000 other shovel ready sites downtown... Love the ramblings abouut China and the talking with the hands.. this guy is something else. I like the canal idea.. this guy knows nothing about tourism and visistors..just parking and waterfront condos

  6. davvid

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    May 31st 2007, 13:06

    I still don't understand why a solution cannot be designed for the interior of the AM&As building. His explaination of the Tishman Building makes alot of sense unfortunatly and hopefully traffic on Main street wil eventually make that situation better in time. Paladino is a rational person and it always nice to listen to people like him.

  7. queenseyes

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    May 31st 2007, 13:18

    Chris69. When Elena told me that Carl was coming in to discuss the Casino issue I asked her if she could touch on the Am&A's building since we had heard that it was the topic of coversation at the Buffalo Place meeting earlier that morning. I don't want to see the building demolished, but I do want to know why Carl thinks it should be. I'm glad that I know what his reasoning is... though it didn't change my mind.

  8. ECB

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    May 31st 2007, 13:29

    Chris, you raise some interesting points. However, no one will or should pay attention to them because of your disturbingly inappropriate and offensive analogy.

    You're right. You didn't need to hear what Paladino had to say. That’s why the video player has a “Play” button which you pressed after reading the subject line: "Carl Paladino on Demolishing AM&As".

    As for your analogy, you’ve compared a countless number of victims--people far more valuable than our entire architectural inventory--to buildings.

    Shame on you.

  9. STEEL

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    May 31st 2007, 13:39

    I like his idea about putting building owners in jail who neglect their property. Let's make a list of the owners who have neglected their properties to the point they become dangerous and unusable. Who would be on that list?

    As far as demo of the building goes. Why demo it before you have a plan for reuse of the property. Doing that just removes one potential reuse. If you think this empty building is an eyesore wait until you see the parking lot that would replace it following demolition.

  10. B-Lo

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    May 31st 2007, 13:52

    I love these guys who point the finger all the time at people doing basically the same thing as they do. Maybe some of his points are valid about investors and flippers, but how does a guy who readily admits that he bought an old building for virtually nothing, then gets the city to pay for all of the rehab preparation so he can sell his high priced condos for profit, any different than the guys he wants to throw in prison? Is there a threshold of money out of pocket to improve the property, that determines the difference between a savvy business man and a scammer????

    Silly canal project?? I guess he isn't making any money on that one. The Tishman building needs updating on mechanicals and parking is a city-wide issue, not exclusive to the Tishman. It is not even 50 years old and is structurally sound. I work in the Tishman and it needs some tlc to be great building for work. Some of us still believe this corridor is ideal for Byte Belt companies as opposed to more downtown housing. I park a block away, like I have done in every other downtown office I have worked in.

  11. HelenWheels

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    May 31st 2007, 14:09

    " Paladino, never one to mince words, was happy to share his views. We learned things from him about the structure of the building we hadn't previously heard. In addition, Paladino had some very strong opinions about building owners who neglect their properties, going so far as to suggest they should be imprisoned. "

    Anyone see the irony here? "building owners who neglect their properties...should be imprisoned." ??????????? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Carl, you shitheel! Can you say Webb? Can you say Graystone? What kinda crack are you on?

  12. SignWizard

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    May 31st 2007, 14:31

    He did sell the Webb to someone who is doing something with it. He also did make an attempt at Graystone too if I recall. Not that Im a Carl Paladino fan or anything just don't think calling him a neglect property owner is fair. Lets hope he can find a buyer for Graystone who will do something with it. I would be interested in knowing what he does or does not do to keep the building from getting any worse.

  13. SignWizard

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    May 31st 2007, 14:36

    Question? Is Buffalo better with or without Carl Paladino's development successfull and failure projects??

  14. HelenWheels

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    May 31st 2007, 14:56

    WITHOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He got the Berger's for a steal, still owns the Graystone with the hole in the roof, sold the Webb with the hole in the roof, operates a palm-greasing pseudo-nonprofit PARKING firm. Look at him while he talks on the video - too much booze or drugs here. Beam him up, Scotty!

  15. stinker

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    May 31st 2007, 16:31

    Maybe he is getting a cut from the Long Island investors if be can get the city to pay the outrageous sum they are asking .

  16. mjman4

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    May 31st 2007, 17:02

    just plain creepy.

  17. bjfan82

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    May 31st 2007, 17:15

    ...How about the Rich's Coffee Building?? That vacant one greats me every evening as I drive by on my home from work

  18. Biniszkiewicz

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    May 31st 2007, 17:17

    I think the Greystone is also being bought by Termini.

    If the city were to acquire the AM&A's site, through whatever avenues were available to it, the city could certainly put out an RFP for both re-use and for redevelopment. I don't know that this is wise, but I don't want the city to automatically pay for demolition unless there is a pretty clear path to development.

    This site pays reasonably high taxes and gets essentially no city services in return (no one works in the buildling, no one's using city roads or the police, etc.).

    If the city wants to place a priority on developing that parcel, maybe they could be creative and collaborative with the current or future owners. Maybe the city should be willing to pay some portion (maybe 1/2 of the cost) of an architectural study for reuse of the site. Maybe the city sets a ceiling of 1/2 its share of the real estate tax annually from this site to pay for its share. Maybe the owners and the city then hire someone credible to come up with ideas (UB architectural school as a start?).

    It would be infinitely cheaper than taking ownership and then paying for demolition. The city loses all its tax revenue in addition to those costs if it takes ownership.

    Are these buildings reusable? I don't know. I love the facades on the west side of Washington Street (the main buillding, not the warehouse). Getting interior light on lower floors is an issue if residential is in the mix, but a courtyard or atrium could be designed, couldn't it?

    The city has been generous enough to Carl.

  19. BROKEEPSBLOCKINGME

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    May 31st 2007, 18:40

    YOU PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELVES ON WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THIS MAN DEVELOPS PROPERTY FOR A LIVNG AND IS QUITE GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES REGARDLESS OF YOUR OPINIONS OF HIM...HES A BUSINESSMAN AND I KNOW YOU BROKE ASS HIPPIES ARE ALL AGAINST ANYONE WHO MAKES MONEY. BUT THATS HOW IT IS... KNOCK THIS MESS DOWN, TOUR THE BUILDING FIRST AND YOU HIPPIES MIGHT UNDERSTAND JUST HOW BAD, AND JUST HOWMANY DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS MESS THERE ARE. OR I HAVE A BETTER IDEA...WHY DONT YOU GET YOUR SAVIOR TIM TIELMAN TO GATHER UP SOME INVESTORS, BUY IT, AND REDEVELOP IT INTO A NON PROFIT, GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED ARTIST LOFT... OR BETTER YET JUST GET TIM TO FILE ANOTHER LAWSUIT WITH LIPPES GUY

  20. HelenWheels

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    May 31st 2007, 20:29

    Anyone who owns property in the city and lets it rot SHOULD be sentanced to jail time - that's the most intelligent thing Paladino's ever said - unfortunately, - for him at least - he would be on the top of the list.

    The Termini deal on the Graystone is not yet done.

    5182 Group, LLC, otherwise known as Paladino for the Graystone Bldg, just recently paid off a lien amounting to $19,000 back in February this year to the Workmens Compensation Board, probably for the hole in the roof at the Graystone. They bought that property from the Johnson Park Associates, LLC (a group out of West Seneca) for $150,000 which has a mortgage attached with the Johnson Park Associates, LLC for $125,000 both dating back to March 2002. What happened to the money, honey?

    It's five years later. Tell me, BROKEEPSBLOCKINGME (I only wish that were true) how much of a great and concerned developer Paladino is. Look at the Webb - sing Paladino's praises to me. Allow me to vomit.

    As far as Tielman, fagedaboudit, he's not gonna jump on this one. Not lawsuit worthy enough.

    We're dealing with facts here, buddy.

  21. stinker

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    May 31st 2007, 20:46

    When will Buffalo take a cue from philadelphia.. That city turned its downtown around thru a tax abatement program on new builds and restorations that kicks in gradually over a 10 year period..

  22. RPreskop

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    May 31st 2007, 20:51

    I agree with Carl Paladino 100% on the demolition of the vacant, deteriorating AM&As building. This old department store is now nothing but a decrepit, dysfuctional, worthless eyesore. There have been numerous studies and proposals of the renovation of this architecturally hideous landmark. There have been several owners as well. Why couldn't these developers be successful in redeveloping the old AM&As store? This building has deteriorated for far too long and it needed major renovations and repairs back in 1995 when The Bon Ton closed the downtown store. As for the water that was in its basement, the previous accusations against both the Buffalo Fire Dept. and a real estate developer are idiotic and baseless. Where did the water come into the basement from? When was the last time a major inspection and preventive maintenance was done on the roofing system. Granted it is eight to ten floors up but water eventually finds its way through the building's structure and leaks down through all floors of the building. The roof is most likely in need of replacement which helps make saving the old AM&As totally cost prohibitive. The old AM&As is not worth saving and I am sick and damned tired of all you mindless, myopic morons who keep crying that old AM&As must be saved. Saved for what? It is a piece of shit dilapidated building that has little if any architectural significance. I do not want anymore of my hard earned tax money being wasted on saving old AM&As. Tear it down because the land it sits on is far more valuable. Detroit got rid of the deteriorated, vacant JL Hudson department store in the fall of 1998, it is time for Buffalo to get rid of the vacant, deteriorated AM&As as soon as possible. As for all of you crying for reuse of this old dump, shut the f__k up and get a life.

  23. nick

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    May 31st 2007, 21:08

    So the demolition and construction of a new building is going to be less cost prohibitive? Show me numbers about it being infeasible to rehab the building. If the land was so valuable then the developer would tear down the bld and build new. You cannot compare rehab costs with new build without including demolition costs. So it is myopic to want to not tear down a building? Isn't it a little short sighted to tear down a building when there is no plan to build on the site, especially when there is not an emminent public danger, and if there it becomes a nuisance it is the job of the developer to resolve the situation. Also, I've said it before but some writers continue to say things such as "architecturally hideous landmark," unfortunitly he has no basis for the comment as it was designed by a famous design firm that specialized in department stores, though I'm sure these individuals are art historians and know that already. If not, then their opinion is just as baseless as everyone elses so they should "shut the f__k up and get a life.

  24. sayvanderlay

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    May 31st 2007, 21:26

    I do admire BRO's free speech ethic.

    Do ALL scumbags get to come in and get videotaped, or just some??

  25. platt4

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    May 31st 2007, 21:50

    RPreskop <--Never met a bulldozer he didn't like. Must be in the demo business.

    http://www.buffalonews.com/opinion/everybodyscolumn/story/86330.html

  26. Chief_Psychic

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    May 31st 2007, 21:50

    I enjoyed Carl's insight into the situation. I understand why he is rich and successful while the wannabe architects and johnny come lately preservationists are expressing their ideas and visions on an anonymous message board. There are talkers and there are doers, Carl puts his money where his mouth is and his mouth where his money is, here he is, in an impromptu interview telling it the way that he sees it. The difference between him and the rest of us is that he will do something about the situation, right or wrong, he will act. Most of the rest of the pos(t)ers on this board will just sit back and bitch no matter what happens. I am glad that I stopped in for this worthwhile interview, it has been a long time since I felt like visiting the same old, same old on Buffalo Rising, looks like things haven't changed much in a month.

    I hope the developers open up this area of the city to enable free flowing traffic and sensible buildings. It is going to take a few more years before anything of value happens in this section of Main Street. I know that my co-workers and visitors to Buffalo would rather see an empty lot than the decrepit AM&As building. Good luck Carl, you have my vote!

  27. Weezer

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    May 31st 2007, 22:12

    Paladino should be giving the interview from his jail cell for his portfolio of neglected and deteriorated properties. The Berger's building had the same problems (asbestos, etc.) as AM&A's and was successfully converted to housing and office space by Paladino so his rationale for demolition is baseless. If the AM&A's complex should be demolished for a "shovel ready" site as he claims, then why haven't the countless number of "shovel ready" surface parking lots downtown seen development? I could walk a two block radius and find 50 parking lots that have been "shovel ready" for 30 years or more. I say keep hammering the owner with fines and pursue jail time at every opportunity. If the Warehouse Lofts a block away can be converted to housing, then AM&A's is sure to follow.

  28. aka_mouse

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    May 31st 2007, 23:19

    I like how people here think Paladino is like some visionary or genius businessman... dude fucking builds parking lots and nothing else. One trick pony. Anyone could do that. No vision, no brains, he has money and thats about it.

  29. Fudgeworth

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    Jun 1st 2007, 00:40

    Say what you will about him, but he did manage to get the Ogden and Breckenridge tolls removed, which provides a bigger benefit to Buffalo's residents than anything you low-lifes will ever do.

  30. david

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    Jun 1st 2007, 01:38

    Steel...

    One of the most iconic and totally neglected structures on the City's East side is Transfiguration Church at the corner of Sycamore and Mills, just east of Fillmore and owned by Paul Francis and Ass. Inc. (aka - local Buffalo attorney Bill Trezevant).

    His mother - an officer of the corporation - has an active housing court warrant from September of 2002. Should she be in jail? or just her son?

    The fire dept. was out there recently removing slate shingles, at tax payer expense, from the crumbling church? He's failed utterly in securing the premises. Place is wide open. Bill Trezevant knows this and does nothing. Should tax-payers be burdened with the cost of demolition?

    Seems like this is going to happen.

  31. BROKEEPSBLOCKINGME

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    Jun 1st 2007, 06:34

    Ok if that waste of money Canal brings in $56 million in revenue to cover the cost...I will jump in the river naked...WHAT A WASTE OF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY!!!! SORRY HIPPIES, NOONE BESIDE YOU CARES ABOUT A REFILLED ERIE CANAL TERMINUS...LOOKS LIKE A SMALL POOL WITH POLLUTION IN IT. QUIT SUING AND WASTING MY TAX MONEY, US WHO MAKE GOOD MONEY ARE TIRED OF DEFENDING YOUR BULLSHIT FIGHTS

  32. SignWizard

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    Jun 1st 2007, 08:40

    To Nick. The dollar amount you could get back from what you build on a empty lot I would think could bring in a higher dollar amount than what limited uses rehab would. Plus the pain it is getting additional permits as we saw with the webb building. So it's not so much the cost of the project as the return on the investment. All said I think that Biniszkiewicz has had many of the best posts on this topic.

  33. RPreskop

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    Jun 2nd 2007, 13:29

    nick, My comment referring the old AM&As as architecturally hideous in definately not baseless, it is the truth. I do not give a damn if a great department store architect designed it, the truth is AM&As is probably this architects most mediocre work of architecture and there is nothing beautiful about this monstrosity at 377 Main Street. Many people in WNY will most likely tell you that old AM&As is ugly and cannot see any justification in saving this deteriorated eyesore.

  34. sanmitchell

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    Jun 2nd 2007, 22:32

    I understand how you all feel about those out of state investors bought properties from auctions and negelectedly let their properties decayed and do nothing. However, my opinion on that is those investors are also victims of buffalo's housing market and if I may say, they are scammed into buying those properties by City of Buffalo. I have watched a program about city meeting and those officals were talking about why is it beneficial to Buffalo when those out towners are buying properties in Buffalo and later on find out they have to either pay fines for violations on the buildings or pay to have the property demolished. City already knows the properties do not have value if not negative value, and instead of solving this problem with their own hands, they put those abandoned properties for sale and hope someone who doesn't know how bad Baffalo's situation is to buy it.

    Stop blamming for those poor people. The only thing they did was they choose a bad investment. If goverment knows what the problems are, they should prevent it, not just putting those properties back to market and fish for next stupid victims.

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