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Last evening I attended a Black Rock - Riverside Good Neighbor Planning Alliance meeting where Eric Recoon, Benderson Development vice president of leasing and development, spoke about the future Kohl's Department Store. In his presentation, Eric pointed out many of the parking lot features that would be incorporated into the new build. He pointed out that there would be about 20-plus large green irrigated islands that would act as buffers. There are also plans for a bike path along the south edge of the lot as well as a lit sidewalk that would run from Delaware (bus stop), through the lot, to the front door of the store. Bike racks would also be implemented into the parking lot design.

It looks as if Benderson has really done some research on the parking situation in front of Kohl's. It's also interesting to note that Kohl's is LEED certified. Towards the end of the presentation, a member of the audience asked whether neighboring K-Mart (Big K) was in for a tune up as well. The answer was no. Although K-Mart (bottom photo) is a Benderson tenant, the chain is happy with its current lease, so the assumption is, that the customers must be happy with the expansive parking lot. Unlike Kohl's, the K-Mart shoppers will not be offered anything in the form of sidewalks, bike trails (or racks), islands, etc. It's too bad, because the Kohl's parking lot plan is so nice that the K-Mart lot will soon look even worse (if that's possible). It would be great to see some of these outdated lots given the same amount of attention that the newer shopping centers are seeing.

I'm happy that Kohl's is coming in and bringing a facelift with it. Let's hope that we don't have to wait for something to replace K-Mart to see an updated shopper-friendly parking lot.

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  1. Martin

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 15:51

    First off I will say I am happy that this is happening, big improvement over the eyesore that is in place now. What I do not understand is if the K-Mart is a Benderson property, why don't they take the initiative to improve the K-Mart property themselves?

  2. STEEL

    3 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 15:58

    K-mart's attitude toward how their stores look says a lot about why they are a declining entity

  3. Martin

    3 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 16:07

    Very true steel, why people shop there is beyond me, but maybe with this new Kohls and the possible Walmart down the road, they will up and leave.

  4. libba

    1 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 16:11

    i hope the kohl's lot is designed better than target's!! that place feels like a guantlet especially when entering from Deleware, traveling in front of the plaza (housing payless, aj wright, etc) to that lethal merge into the target lot.

    how long has the ames bldg sat empty ?

  5. rubygreta

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 16:14

    My assumption is that K-Mart has a long-term lease that is below market. If that is the case one would think that the tenant would spruce up the parking lot to attract business. But Kmart makes Walmart look like Bloomingdales. It is a crappy company that hopefully will go belly-up.

  6. NorthPark

    1 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 16:18

    I'm a North Buffaloian and was in the Hertel-Delaware Big K recently and was surprise that it looked fairly decent inside. From prior experience, my impression of the store was that of a very unkempt and disorderly place, so I was happy to see the improvement. I agree that an update to their outer appearance, including landscaping and ped/bike treatments, would greatly improve how the store is perceived and in turn its sales performance.

  7. RisingDamp666

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 16:22

    They say this Kohl's will be much nicer than K Mart, the loss of which comes as a tremendous blow to the floor wax industry.

  8. al-alo

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 16:31

    so whats the level of the LEED certification?

  9. viking

    1 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 16:48

    My guess is that the huge parking lot is prime development space, it's never been more than 1/3 full. Another tenant or small strip mall maybe waiting to be built. Benderson Development and it's rental policies is one of the main factors in determining lease amounts for commercial space in the Buffalo area.

  10. WCPerspective

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 17:45

    Wonder when K-Mart's lease expires.... It is probably where Walmart will land.

  11. DanielSack

    5 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 18:04

    I am always disappointed that an energy efficient building clearly built for the automobile culture can get any LEED certification. I hope that someday the LEED certifiers will include how pedestrian friendly a building's siting is.

    This Kohls building hundreds of yards from the main street with a gratuitous "sidewalk" through acres of parking lot (green island buffers - give me a break!) is the total opposite of good urban design. This is simply bad suburban design imported to the City.

    A better design would have incorporated real streets with the new buildings off Delaware built up to real sidewalks rather than the haphazard arrangement of buildings, parking lots, and driveways - much like the Target-Tops-Regal plaza criticized above.

    The block bordered by Delaware, Hertel, Elmwood, and Great Arrow is much to large. The little bit of residential with the industrial and retail land in the area would be much better served if a traditional street grid were planned. But that would require the City's Planning Department to actually do some "planning".

  12. DumpsterKid

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 18:31

    That k-mart parking lot has never been full, the only time it even reaches half its capacity is during the Italian festival on Hertel. How about a simple fence or wall between the sidewalk and the parking lot? what an improvement that would be.

  13. scooter

    1 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 18:58

    All towns and cities require a square foot to parking spot ratio.

    So, I don't know what it is in the city, it might be one car park for every 500 sq ft or so.

    So, that huge parking lot is most likely what the city required. Not Benderson.

  14. MJWorthington

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 19:25

    yes..its usually zoning laws that require rediculus amounts of parking for each development. They usually assume max usage for each. I guess assuming everyone will be going out at once to the same places? thus usually leaving them empty most of the time and leaving us with a bunch of spread out development that is pedestrian unfriendly.

  15. BROKEEPSBLOCKINGME

    3 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 21:06

    aha!! Danielsack finally brought up the "bring it up to the curb comment" it sure took u guys long enough!!! Just be happy its not vacant anymore WTF

  16. sbrof

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 21:22

    Hence why the new mayor is slacking at his JOB, the WHOLE POINT of finishing the Queen City Hub plan was to set the stage for zoning change. Masiello was in the process of working with the office of strategic planning. Has brown done anything to revise our zoning??? I don't think so.

    Unfortunately it is the zoning laws that force developers to put in so much parking. Why we have 1970's zoning regulations that make it easier to build a strip plaza than a mixed use structure is insane. People do what the law tells them to do. Sure you won't ever get a developer to remove all the parking but we should not force him to put more than is necessary. Also just because these were huge open lands before doens't means they need huge developments. I agree that this whole area would do some good to get chopped up a little. introduce a couple new residential streets in an already strong area of Buffalo. You won't need to chop down 1000 trees and ruin a greenway to do it. All you need to do is chop up a parking lot.

    Again lack of leadership in the city.

    I do give Kohl's and Benderson a little credit for at least taking a small step in the direction of urbanism / sustainability. Maybe it isn't big enough but it is better than getting the same thing again.

  17. sbrof

    1 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 21:27

    What's wrong with trying to change something that has proven to be ill conceived and problematic. Disconnected developments, reduces peoples ability to walk places, reinforcing their, oil (car) dependence, which creates obesity, diabetes, isolationism, fear of 'others'. These are what true suburbanism and their respective development schemes have brought upon us. Asking to make this less problematic doesn't mean they are somehow anti-development.

  18. DanielSack

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 24th, 23:19

    Actually BROKEEPS... I'm suggesting bringing the curb up to the building, not the building up to the curb.

    And why not the usual accusation that I drive a Subaru? Is that you following my pickup truck?

  19. Buffalopundit

    3 ratings12345
    Jan 25th, 06:34

    You have a pickup truck and you're bitching about the "automobile culture"? Give me a break.

  20. icecreamsub

    1 ratings12345
    Jan 25th, 08:16

    Subaru? Pickup truck?.....sounds like DanielSack has a "Brat"

  21. Dan

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 25th, 08:44

    > yes..its usually zoning laws that require rediculus amounts of parking for each development. They usually assume max usage for each.

    Ridiculous minimum parking requirements have their origins in the zoning codes of the 1950s. With the rise of suburban shopping centers, traffic engineers of the day recommended one parking space per 200 square feet of retail space, based on the parking needs for the 10th busiest shopping day of the year. In the 1950s, though, stores were much smaller than they are now, and much more crowded. There was far more inventory in much less space. (Anyone remember how narrow supermarket aisles used to be in the Bells and Super Duper stores of the 1970s, compared to the Tops and Wegmans of today?)

    Today, there is far more retail space per person than even 20 years ago. Even at the busiest Wal-Mart in East Jeebus, Alabama, there will still be plenty of parking spaces available on Black Friday. The 1950s-era photos showing crammed parking lots at Southgate Plaza or Northtown Plaza are anachronisms; a flashback to a much different time in retail where AM&As stores resounded with its trademark call gongs, and cold shoppers warmed up with coffee at the nearest Your Host or Four Seasons.

    Many communities are now considering maximum parking requirements, or dropping them entirely from their codes. With Buffalo's zoning code mostly unaltered from the 1950s, it's unlikely such reforms will take place anytime soon.

  22. flyguy

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 25th, 09:10

    It seems to me that the great majority of KMarts in the Buffalo area appear cold and sterile from the outside with little to no vegetation at all to soften the hardscape, they are miserable looking places outside especially on a grey day. The Kmart that was/ is on Walden Avenue across from the Walden galleria was tucked way back there on that parcel with a massive sea of parking to the front of it with absolutely no landscaped islands, no storm water management other than sewer, just a massive sea of impervious blacktop and no vegetation along the building either. This is also the case at Hertel and Delaware and the Kmart over there along NIagara Falls Boulevard where the Boulevard Consumer Square is (recently closed). The KMart on Military up in the Falls has a similar look as well and the one that used to be (now demolished) on Transit in East Amherst/ Clarence. Though that may have been the style in the 70's when these places were built I saw no effort to modernize and become more aesthetically appealing as time went by into the 80's and 90's. I still cant get over some of the stuff that came out of the architecture and development that came out of the 70's. Friggin yuck. Add the Pearl Street side of the convention center to that list as well.

  23. icecreamsub

    1 ratings12345
    Jan 25th, 09:55

    Target in North Buff is uglier and more of a hazard for pedestrians by far than K-Mart

  24. BROKEEPSBLOCKINGME

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 25th, 11:53

    LOL Sack, you just blew diesel smoke all over my Lamborghini

  25. Nusch

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 25th, 13:49

    If you read the City's Comprehensive Plan, there are some great iniatives, however, many of the land use related goals are impossible to attain given the outdated Zoning Code. The City is in dire need of an updated zoning code.

  26. NorthBuff15

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 25th, 15:28

    Yes the K'Mart looks more like K-RUD . What is the situation with all the open space on Elmwood and Hertal though? I mean you have a porn shop, a Dougnut shop that is out of business and then this Huge open Space which people seel stuff from on the corner from time to time for when Sabres were in playoffs or summertime for sneakers. Why cant they build something on that Property? Those Corners look so Bad!

  27. DanielSack

    1 ratings12345
    Jan 26th, 10:13

    Yes Nusch, and the Comprehensive Plan specifically calls for new zoning codes (pages 57-58)

    "Revised zoning categories and districts and a revised zoning map to reflect and support the Comprehensive Plan and the principles of smart growth should be prepared by the Office of Strategic Planning (OSP) as soon as possible. It will be one of the City’s principal tools for implementing the Plan."

    The Comprehensive Plan was adopted in 2006.

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