The Buehl: Before and After

The Buehl: Before and After

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When I spoke to developer Roger Trettel yesterday (see post 1), he asked whether I might also be interested in seeing interesting 'before and after' shots of the actual Buehl building. When the project was nearing completion WestCoastPerspective did a great job covering the details of the development, but I don't think I ever saw the 'before' photo that Roger ended up passing along. When I first saw it I laughed out loud. What a mess. These two photos really tell the story with no need for words.

When I think about this part of the city I think of the projects, both big and small, that will one day make the Buehl Block a destination area again. I think of Fables Café located in the Central Library. And I think of the brand 'new' historic Warehouse Lofts, and Tim Hortons bringing life back to the Liberty Building - corner of Main and Court. Then I see flashes of Thursday at the Square with thousands of people filtering into the neighborhood. I also think of the potential... will the 50 Court Street building move forward? Will the Lafayette Hotel ever be restored to its original grace? Will some of the storefronts in that area take unwanted signage off the windows and join the ranks of the progressive retail world?

rainy-night-buehl-buffalo-a.jpg This district has so much potential. And it is the Buehl Building that continues to shine as a beacon for other developers to take part in the renaissance. Just think back to the time when the Buehl was in jeopardy of being lost... can you imagine looking at that corner and not seeing this restored beauty?

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What Others Have To Say

  1. LastCall

    2 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 10:25

    The buehl today looks as good as it ever has. nice restoration. Now, if we could only transform the liberty building into condos!

  2. bison716

    2 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 10:28

    Great story! This district does need to shape up and use the potential that is there. Keep it moving Buff.

  3. tonyarmani

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    Mar 7th, 10:34

    i feel like the top picture is one of those "Can you find 12 things different between the two photos" games.

    So far I only see the guy.....

    jk

  4. nascarinbuffalo

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    Mar 7th, 10:36

    Nice restoration, but huge waste of money. I can't imagine anyone renting a "luxury" apartment next to a pawn shop. Maybe this explains why most if not all of the apartments remain vacant.

  5. WCPerspective

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    Mar 7th, 11:31

    nascar- please recheck your information about the vacancy of the residential there....'most if not all'? You had the 'all' correct- 'all' of the units are leased. As is 'all' of the office space next door. And, there are two parties interested in the corner retail space. Who says? The owner.

  6. wizardofza

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    Mar 7th, 11:41

    Great restoration but the apartments in there are way too expensive. $2000+ a month?? Very few people in Buffalo will drop that much on a living space, especially in a still-questionable area. One can get a a super-decked out apartment in the nicest part of town for half that much OR be paying a mortgage on a beautiful old house with enough $$ left over for an extensive renovation.

    Trettel's intentions are nothing but noble, but some of these developers have been getting ahead of themselves. There is nowhere close to a local economy which will permits a constant new supply of expensive apartments to be filled downtown. On a renovation project this small, it might be been far more economical to rehab that space into a few nice little offices for small startup firms. Downtown is going to need a lot more JOBS downtown before it can support any substantial residential population.

    One more thing, QE....was all the hyperbolic spin in the second paragraph necessary? It almost looks like you were just trying to fill space. What is this "renaissance" you speak of? What will throngs of TATS-goers "filter" in this "district" for other than to get to their parked cars? All your baseless editorializing eats away any sort of credibility this site once had. Stick to simple facts and observations; that's my advice for today.

  7. RonR

    3 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 11:43

    Nas,

    Right now you may be right but what this project did is put the first step forward. This stuff takes time. The pawn shop could be taken down in around a day. Very easy for that project to be filled in. New condos or a small office building. Maybe a parking lot for now for the residents on the corner. Who knows.

    The lot next door is a huge parking lot between Washington and Ellicott. Given the right conditions, that could be built out with ease. When that happens, someone could convert the Hotel Lafayette to an upscale boutique hotel next.

    Maybe they could re-skin the Library with glass that is inviting or maybe spend more then 5 minutes in planning some details. Maybe the lawn in front of the new library where the old one sat could house a iconic sculpture. Maybe the ABK could sponsor that as an outreach to the community with their new found millions.

    It all starts somewhere and the land owners all see this vision or something like it. They are just waiting on the inept leadership to create the right conditions for them to invest and build.

  8. platt4

    4 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 12:00

    @Wizard: "$2000+ a month??" Is that a question or are you saying the units here are priced over $2000/month. Because they are not. I love how all the sideliners pull numbers out of their arse to make a point. Follow your own advice: "Stick to simple facts."

    @Nascar: "huge waste of money"- maybe you have that opinion because you don't have the money to actual 'do' and 'waste?'

    Someone puts up his own money, does a top-notch job on a highly visible yet long ignored corner, and the whiners that complain nothing ever happens throw mud at the guy. Nice going.

  9. nascarinbuffalo

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    Mar 7th, 12:08

    WCP - - The apartments have been listed for rent here, www.holcberg.com/rentals.shtml, ever since the renovation was completed nearly two years ago. See www.buffalorising.com/story/buehl_block_open_house_this_th. If what you say is true, and they are now all rented, then it was only after the owner dropped the rents 28.67% (1,395 to $995) at the low end. In view of the extended vacancies and drastic drop in the rents, my point still stands: this was an ill-conceived project in a bad location. I’m sure the owner (and maybe his bank) had second thoughts about the project while the building sat vacant for two years.

    By the way, I live in downtown Buffalo, but would never live there next to a pawn shop. Where do you live?

  10. sbrof

    2 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 12:09

    nascar why would you think they are vacant? Sorry but you are wrong. And once those people have been there a while along with new development happening around it places like the pawn shop will have to follow their lost clients.

  11. tudorguy

    0 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 12:13

    To answer the questions in the article: Unfortunately, No.

  12. icecreamsub

    1 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 12:30

    I believe the man in the top photo is actually of former QB legend Jim Kelly....he appears to be.killing some waiting for somebody but that is merely a guess.

  13. rb66

    1 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 12:50

    platt4: "Someone puts up his own money, does a top-notch job on a highly visible yet long ignored corner, and the whiners that complain nothing ever happens throw mud at the guy. Nice going."

    SO TRUE!

  14. impressingagent

    1 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 13:14

    this could be a real classy block.

  15. rogert

    13 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 13:20

    I thought I'd chime in here since I'm the owner. Yes, I took a chance on a great old building in a semi-sketchy part of town (although right on Lafayette Sq. and across from the Central Library really ain't so bad). But anyway, I put a ton of money into the building - my money, no handouts, no subsidies, etc. Some would say dumb, but I'm optimisitc about Buffalo and believe it is coming back - so I made the investment. It definitely took longer and cost more than originally anticipated, took longer to rent up, and the rents are lower than expected (people are correct about the market - it won't support the high rents needed for a major rehab project). Its almost fully rented up now and making a positive cash flow; certainly not getting rich on it, but I look at it as a long term investment. I also take some pride in saving an architectural gem. It will pay for itself, spin off a little income, and appreciate along with the market, and someday my kids will reap the benefits. Still working on filling the ground floor storefronts and have some interested parties for a cafe, coffehouse, deli. Never would have thought it would be so hard to get a coffehouse/cafe in that space - it is perfect for it - and in any other city Starbucks or similar would trip over themselves for it. I am confident that will happen in the coming months - but I've learned things move slowly in Buffalo, so we'll see. I'm still confident in the neighborhood/Buffalo and will likely invest in more properties in the area as they become available. My pawnshop neighbors are great and have never had a problem. So that's the story - thanks for all the positive words and constructive and not so constructive criticisms - good that people find it interesting enough to even comment on. All for now.

    Roger Trettel

  16. Martin

    0 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 13:25

    i think they should open a store on the street level and sell butter lambs

  17. jen

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    Mar 7th, 13:40

    Looks beautiful.

  18. tonyarmani

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    Mar 7th, 13:48

    Martin do you work for the butter lamb company?

  19. xosder

    3 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 13:51

    Ignore the non-constructive criticism, as they come from the wanna-be's. These are the same people who would kill to live in the space you created but only have $500/month to give you for it. They whine here in anonymity about pretty much every investment in Buffalo hoping and waiting for someone to hire them as a consultant because they have all the great ideas but no cash, all the while speculating on how other people should spend their own hard earned dollars.

    What you did was for you and the City. We, as a City are improved because of it and you on the other hand will have to stand the test of time to determine if you are financially better off. That is the risk of development, and I hope that you realize the reward.

    I thank you for your hard work and vision. Nice project Roger.

  20. RealityCheck

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    Mar 7th, 13:59

    I kind of liked the Wines and Liquor painted sign in the top picture - very boho!

  21. Texpat10

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    Mar 7th, 14:27

    Great job Roger! Hopefully the market will allow you or someone else to begin filling in around your gem to make this a true neighborhood. One day perhaps the whole spine of Ellicott Street will be residential, from the Inner Harbor to the Medical District. I've seen it happen elsewhere.

  22. cainvestor

    1 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 14:38

    The guy in the picture is not Jim Kelly - It is Scott Norwood - as you can see he still wanders the streets looking for redemption. Sorry, wide right will never leave you

  23. Godotwaiter

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    Mar 7th, 14:57

    Is that really an EG Tax office in the building or a clever Photoshop? They are everywhere---EG Tax in Western New York is like Starbucks in Manhattan, you can't go anywhere without seeing one!

  24. GDC

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    Mar 7th, 15:02

    I luv the restoration work, This building reallly stands out now as well as the building behind it (just seen the photo/story yesterday on BR). And did anyone else know that there are more Luxury Lofts just down the street on Broadway near Michigan St.? I just found out from browsing the BuffaloPlace.com website , who knew? So, it seems this end of Downtown actually is coming back to life. Great Job, Guys.

  25. Godotwaiter

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    Mar 7th, 15:12

    I really don't care about luxury lofts, I really think that we need additonal EG Tax outlets. Do you know that more than 75% of the population relies on others to help them with their taxes? This would be a huge benefit downtown if we had more places to help people do their taxes.

  26. jooliecoolie

    5 ratings12345
    Mar 7th, 16:52

    i think this, and all other lofts on the downtown housing tour for that matter, are an incredible inspiration for young professionals to stay in or move back to buffalo. american cities need these spaces for those who want them.

  27. newskylinebuffalo

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    Mar 7th, 17:07

    Wow, nice restoration. It would be great if all of that vacant and horrid mass of parking lot/ old brick building with no windows and all the other junk there gone and replace those eyesores with a beautiful vibrant streetscape of which will attract more people to this area of the city. This truly is a beautful corner building and shall shine for many years to come. Great Work!

  28. waffles

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    Mar 7th, 17:44

    The apartments look beautiful. It is too bad the block does not look the way it did in the Burchfield's painting. If I could afford to live there, I would. It is right downtown, across from the library, and perfect for someone who works in the city.

  29. DanielSack

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    Mar 7th, 21:11

    What is wrong with a pawn shop? I wish there was one on Elmwood. I have purchased some of my favorite stuff a the former Breezy's Pawn Shop on Chippewa Street. Watches, jewelry, and cameras you could find nowhere else.

    I do wish the restoration was more true to "historic". It may have cost more than the aluminum window and door trim - but that is what historic restoration tax credits are for.

  30. pegger

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    Mar 8th, 01:45

    Way to Go Roger! Great optimism and a beautiful building! Pawn shops get a bad rap. On a dare, I worked in a friend's pawn shop one summer. I had a blast! It was not the stereotypical dark film noir environment we associate with them. They provide a service for those who might be considered disenfranchised in the context that they don't have banks or credit. Believe it or not, many middle class people (especially real estate sales people) frequent them for short term loans while they are waiting for an escrow to close. Most people do return and pick up their mechandise. It's an expensive way to do things, but in a pinch, they are a life line.

  31. pegger

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    Mar 8th, 02:42

    Nascar, out of curiosity, how many people do you think actually live downtown? My question is sincere. I would like to know what the predominant form of housing is. I also would like to know where downtown denizens shop for groceries, how you get around, where you park, and if you venture out at night?

  32. SteveP

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    Mar 8th, 10:16

    The restoration looks great. Its good to see people taking chances in areas that may not be the best but can surely develop into something. We need more people like roger to undertake these projects in order to revitalize the city. Excellent work.

  33. RisingDamp666

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    Mar 8th, 13:12

    How great is it that this building fell into the right hands! Outstanding work, Roger T.! To those who complain about the rents, remember that this is not a new build with 800 units but a very significant and unique structure with a limited number of apartments. For those that grabbed at it, it's money well spent. For all others, look around, there's a whole city waiting to be turned around like this.

  34. gaustad

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    Mar 10th, 02:46

    Roger, thank you for having brass balls. Sticking your neck out for an investment like this speaks volumes to the community and outside development. I have seen interior photos, the apts are beautiful.

    It is too bad however, that you can not find a good commercial tenant for the first floor....one drawback of investing in downtown, I suppose.

    I have not doubt you will make money long term.

  35. Godotwaiter

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    Mar 13th, 14:04

    What do you mean gaustad? I think that EG Tax is a great commercial tenant for the first floor. Did you know that most people need help with their taxes? What would you rather have, another Starbucks or maybe another restaurant that serves overpriced entrees?

  36. panamagrl

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    Apr 19th, 23:38

    OK, I have to chime in as someone who actually lives in the building. Nascar is a good example of someone who uses the internet as a primary source of information but doesn't know how to triangulate data. Gee, I think I'll create a web page about the sky falling and see how many people actually believe it. I am a young single professional female. I have a good job but don't make a ton of money (I'm in education). This is my first solo apartment and I feel like I'm living in paradise. Roger & Sandy did an amazing job renovating the buidling and they have been great landlords. My apartment is stunning. I looked at dozens of apartments before finding this and even though I could have gotten an apartment in the Elmwood strip area for a little bit less, having secure gated off street parking was a must for me anywhere in the city (or suburbs for that matter). My apartment has all of the sturdinesss and character of an 1867 structure but with gorgeous modern kitchen & baths. Pawn shop next door is not anything negative at all-I'll take them over a suburban McDonald's, McStrip Plaza, McStarbucks, or McNeighbors any day.

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