
Jan 30th, 10:43am
By queenseyes
After a couple years of back and forth meetings with the neighborhood, Rite Aid may finally be close to sealing an expansion deal at the corner of Ontario and Tonawanda streets. Though the original plans have been tweaked to accommodate suggestions from the neighborhood, chances are that the retro Riverside Men's Shop (RMS) building (and neighboring structures) would come down. It appears that the neighborhood (for the most part) is happy to see the Rite Aid expansion, as the current store is outdated. The way the new 14,000 sq.' pharmacy would be situated (behind RMS on Tonawanda Street) would allow the corner building to remain standing... if the building was found to be in sound enough shape, and if the neighborhood rallied around it. But initial reports are that the building is in need of too much work...
The Rite Aid expansion will see a total of 58 parking spaces, which leaves some people wondering if the RMS could not be turned into an alternate use (like a restaurant) to help fill some spaces. This is a big walking neighborhood, and chances are that a lot of that size would be underutilized. Not all of the buildings on that corner are coming down - there is one holdout business that has refused to sell. That business is Schmit (plumbing, heating and air conditioning) - established in 1968. So the question will most likely be, will the neighborhood see a small park on the corner, or will the Riverside Men's Shop building stay and act as a buffer for parking and a Rite Aid?
Photo: the red brick structure would come down, and to the right of that is Schmit.
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STEEL
Another unique piece of Buffalo gone. Well at least we will have more parking
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comptart_lws
RMS bldg is so cool! Great retail windows… how many sq ft is it?
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sbrof
ugh, this is always a constant battle but honestly their current 12 space parking lot is NEVER full. I grew up in this neighborhood and walking there is what people do. They don't drive to Rite Aid, if they are getting in their cars they are heading out of the neighborhood to shop and probably will stop at another rite aid, this business caters to the convenience needs of the neighborhood. Where to go and grab a card the day before your fathers birthday etc..
I am glad to see them expand and it is really need but it is a shame to break down one of the last intact four corners in the neighborhood if not the whole city. This is about as urban as you get in Riverside Black Rock, all three other corners have businesses in them. If they need to expand it is a shame they just see this building as in the way. In other cities rite aids and Walgreen's actually DO USE older buildings. I am sure they kick up a fit but the difference in politicians don't cave in. This is a profitable location for them, it always has been and spending an extra 10% (guess) to reuse at least the one corner building and rebuild on the rest of the block seems a fair deal.
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WCPerspective
58 parking spots?!?! Fingers crossed on being able to save the corner building.
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flyguy
Gotta maintain those strong built corners, the zero lot line no setback stuff in these areas of the city to maintain the density and character before blowing holes in that urban fabric. Do that corner right whatever you do.
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wizardofza
This is one of those golden opportunities in which city hall can grow a pair of balls and tell Rite-Aid to go eat a bag of {edit} if they want an obscene amount of parking spaces like that.
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tudorguy
Novel thought- put the Rite Aid IN the corner building and blow back into the other building! I was recently in Seattle and walked past a drug store that had done almost the exact same thing. guess what? It looked great and unique!
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MJWorthington
does Rite Aid want it? Or does zoning require it? I can't imagine 60 cars at Rite Aid.
If they are intent on redoing this block, create new builds long the street and create a city owneed lot across the rear to be shared by all buisnesses facing the Street with lot access to the two side streets. Lease the use of it.
Has anyone seen the Wherle/Harlem intersection lately. What was once a semi-walkable street has turned into an asphalt bordered cirlce to be? with pushed back drug stores.
Lets demand some unique urban development/solutions.
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scooter
These drug stores live off the drive thru pharmacies. 58 spots is exessive for any location, i've been to a million pharmacies and i've never seen 58 people in the store at once.
East Aurora and the village of Orcahrd Park have the right idea. They are both experiencing a small boom in retail growth and they have severally limited the parking for each new development and all of the projects have been highly successful.
Limite Rite Aid to 30 car parks and they will still locate in this neighborhood. The city has to refine the zoning and building codes. Retailers and developers will find ways to live with it and continue to build.
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carl
what a shame, that is such a cool building....the riverside community groups should get their act together and save this place....
that building would make a amazing art gallery!!!!!
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scooter
Carl Paladino is the developer of 99% of the Rite Aids in WNY. Just FYI.
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JohnnyWalker
Big Parking Lot - more trash to pick up.
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BuffedOut
Many years ago, I was born and raised in Riverside. What was can never be again. The neighborhood has changed too drastically for that to happen. Currently, these four corners have no true resemblance to what they were originally. It's best to just let go.
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viking
It's all about drive thru convenience, saving time and money. I shop the current store, the roof is shot, and there isn't enough waiting space. The retail display is about a quarter of what appears to be normal for this type of operation. I'd like to see RMS building be recycled, a new coffee shop would be fine that also has a drive thru, although the corner may not be a good fit. Use the corner as an entrance to the new configuration including a coffee shop operation in the model as a waiting area.
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chris69
my two cents is that the RMS would make a great Starbucks, Spot or coffee shop.....as well as a small restaurant like a subshop...
Isnt their someplace else that has enough land for this Rite Aid....your tearing down 3 and 4 story buildings for a parking lot and a rite aid....then expecting that to improve what for many is the center of town for this area (just how far up their arse to some people in this neighborhood have their heads anyway)
Buffalo doesnt have town centers for its major inner city neighborhoods but the RMS is very close to being the town center for this community and to care so little and have such disregard for their town center is frightening. They should be looking to use it as an anchor to revitalize instead of RiteAid. As with much of Buffalo...its to poor to see the forest for the trees.
PS I dont care about the RMS persay but I think everyone should care about the seemless wall of buildings in a very walkable community
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JohnMartin
"Which leaves some people wondering if the RMS could not be turned into an alternate use (like a restaurant) to help fill some spaces."
I dunno Newell, is there a market for a restaurant in this neighborhood? Has any new business of note developed in this neighborhood in the last several years? Is there some sort of development or residential boom in Riverside of which I am unaware? How long has the building sat empty? Perhaps market forces dictate that this neighborhood cannot sustain new development? Perhaps the continual deterioration of the economic fabric in Buffalo results in these types of choices being made as there is no engine for sustainable growth? I guess we could just sit here and wish things were different, but that's not very productive, now is it?
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JohnMartin
"my two cents is that the RMS would make a great Starbucks, Spot or coffee shop.....as well as a small restaurant like a subshop..."
Yes, in the Buffalo of our dreams would a Starbucks or Spot Coffee open up in this neighborhood.
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sbrof
There is almost an entire block of vacant land just up the street a couple blocks, The truth is the area where Rite AId is and wants to be is very dense and not very vacant. The Riverside Mens Shop is really the only major empty storefront for a couple blocks up and down T street. It is a very heavily used transit connection between the 5 and the 30. It is dense, nice and a shame that a company like Rite Aid has the power to take that away from the city. A parking lot on this corner, like the one they did at the corner of Fillmore & Main is what I assume they are going to try to build.
If that happens the wind starts to block, trash starts to build up and people fly in and out of the parking lot trying to catch the light. Horrible idea to take this building down. Put rite aid around it, facing either or both Ontario streets and and Tonawanda Street but either incorporate or leave this building alone...
I like the idea of the city taking over the lot to create a public use lot for all the businesses, that sounds like an option that could be a win win for everyone involved.
Also a drive through doesn't need to mean the demise of the corner building, you can design it easily into most configurations the problem if they developer / rite aid doesn't want to actually be site specific. They just want to plop down their pre-designed - pre-stamped pieces of crap for as cheap as possible whether it is the east side or williamsville.
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urbanboarder
Zoning calls for this amount of parking. I couldnt agree with JohnMartin more on this issue. While it would be ideal to see these existing buildings put to reuse, the reality of the situation is that this is a declining neighborhood that is going to see a huge aesthetic improvement to the gateway of their community. The new Rite Aids look quite different than older ones, especially the prior Eckerd on Main & Fillmore, and even the older ones that have been turned into Family Dollar stores. There is also a vacant elementary school sitting behind the site that adds to the vacancy that apparently does not exist at this intersection? Last time I checked I did not see anything booming.
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urbanboarder
You can't blame Rite Aid, the developer or the site designers. It is the city who makes the codes and enforces them. They require 1 parking stall per 300SF of gross floor area that would equal about 50 stalls. Also, I highly doubt it will be fenced in like the previous Eckerd mentioned on Main & Fillmore - now that is awful, and there is excess trash that collects. That however was not Rite Aid site design. Living in corporate America, corporations do usually have a typical store design that they follow..is this any different than a Kohl's that you see at a number of different sites? Also, if they owner did not want to sell, then they do not have to. Its not like eminent domain can be used to seize the property. Also, was this an independent private owner of RMS, or was it just another developer who got a hold of it years ago? People are quick to throw everything down, damn trolls!
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scooter
Good points urbanboarder. If you don't like the design or the parking of this Rite Aid, blame the city. Same thing holds true in the suburbs. Zoning regs and codes allow buildings like this.
I believe RMS was picked up at auction by Plaza Group (local developer).
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JohnB
RMS was bought by Plaza. Inside, its a great old building. Lots of almost secret passages. Very deco like Standing inside those windows is rather cool too. Bloody shame if it has to go.
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Willie1
I think this is a perfect opportunity for the Head of Strategic Planning in the City of Buffalo to step up to the plate & LEAD an effort to revitalize this corner. Cities are saved one corner at a time. Mr. Wanamaker, here is an opportunity for you to take off the CityStat headset, and lead a community / city effort. This is the neighborhood, this is the corner, this is the building, and this is certainly the developer that NEEDS your efforts & experience. Tim, get these folks to the table and make a difference. You can do it !!!
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RisingDamp666
This magnificent Art Moderne structure has to go...so people can buy 2 cans of mixed nuts for $4? How utterly depressing is that?
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Andrew
I drive past this corner almost every day and live 20 meters down the road in the summer. Im just hopeing that they build it to the corner and make it look a little urban.
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Martin
LOL...a parking lot for 58 cars in a city neighboorhod. Typical for the city's mind set. How pathetic if they get away with. Not to mention that corner building is so cool.
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riverside570
i think its a very bad thing too the neighbood, this is a very old neighbood, and there messing it up with all this shit they should keep things how is, and just put store's in the obanded store front's
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