New Signage, Old Signage

New Signage, Old Signage

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This summer, we took a walk through the Commercial Slip with Keith Helmetag, a partner with C&G Partners LLC, principal designers of the exhibits and site graphics. Helmetag was concerned with public approval for what was there, in reference to moving forward with more designs.

At this point the Erie County Harbor and Development Corporation (ECHDC) is looking into putting up some additional exhibits and the following are the stories/themes being considered:

•Wedding of the Waters •The Commercial Slip •Foundations of Commerce and Manufacturing •Rebirth and Renewal •The Outer Harbor

In addition, there is still some uncertainty about the existence of certain signage, and the question of whether or not it should be changed arose at the ECHDC meeting last week.

Peter Flynn of Flynn and Battaglia Architects PC was present at the meeting along with a representative of Hadley Exhibits, and in addition to presenting the possibility of new signs/exhibits, he addressed the possibility of change as directed by the ECHDC board.

The question is whether or not existing design elements are in need of change, or whether they should stand as is. Now that more people have really had a chance to tour and read, are there aesthetic problems that would invite remediation, or is this a good time to leave well enough alone?

Flynn explained, once again, that the lettering used on the commercial slip bridge was actual typeface taken from a packet boat advertisement. He said that the only way to change the color would be to powder coat them again, at some expense. Below is the grey version, with the panel frames above remaining bright green, followed by both the letters and and panel frame in "historic brown."
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These were just a few options, and no decision has been made regarding the signs, though a representative of Flynn and Battaglia raised the issue of hiring a polling firm to conduct a study.

What do you think, BR readers?

digulios

What Others Have To Say

  1. rogerschroeder

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    Oct 13th, 15:58

    How is it that because it was a sign typeface on a packet boat ad it is a good choice for a bridge typeface ? If that font has a name it would be "3D Tacky". It has a great Monty Python look which is what makes it so offensive on the bridge. Goofy logic was used to make most of the graphic decisions and it would be even more goofy to do a study of public opinion asking is this really bad (that reminds me of Monty Python also).

    The graphic and interpretive elements are the weakest part of this project. They will continue to detract and fixes will continue to degrade the overall experience. Make a fresh start with new elements based on a better plan and gradually redo the dogs.

  2. MEC

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    Oct 13th, 16:09

    It was either Ron Battaglia or Peter Flynn, not Peter Battaglia.

  3. sbrof

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    Oct 13th, 16:15

    Let everything that was built stand for a couple years to actually warrant the investment into creating it. It is good, educations, quirky and fun to try and explore. That is in real life. Sitting in front of a computer monitor it might be easy to not like it but when you are there, on site, it is actually a lot of fun.

    If there are some long term problems with it, then later on lets go back and fix them. Trying to change things now would be wasteful because we don't really even know if there is any substantial problems.

  4. STEEL

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    Oct 13th, 16:29

    The sign is fine - color and type face alike. Lets move on. Not everything needs to be dull gray and brown.

  5. citycalmdownx

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    Oct 13th, 16:35

    blah. i really, really don't like those panels...

    :[

  6. Enxu

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    Oct 13th, 16:41

    It's not so much the typeface (which is really bad), but the message itself. "COMMERCIAL SLIP"? It seems like complete overkill, in what was supposed to be a somewhat historically correct recreation of the area. It comes off a bit fake and Disney-ish to have to announce the name of the various elements in gigantic, goofy lettering. Is there a huge sign on the Wilcox Mansion? On any FLW designed structure? On Old Fort Niagara?

    I guess it's not suprising, given the current climate of beat-you-over-the-head marketing and "branding" in our society.

  7. davvid

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    Oct 13th, 16:46

    the signs look fine -

  8. RaChaCha

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    Oct 13th, 16:47

    I've been involved with a number of heritage projects, and in every case where interpretive signage or an interpretive plan was being developed, there was an advisory committee of stakeholders. What's surprised me most about this controversy - in both this article and the one earlier this year - is no mention at all of the planners/designers working with any stakeholders. That's a great way to catch things that aren't likely to fly, before they get much farther than someone's sketch pad, while still allowing wide range for excellence and creativity by the planners and designers. And oftentimes those stakeholders will have ideas of their own or sketches on the back of a napkin that inspire elements that otherwise might not have occurred to the planners/designers.

    The idea of hiring a polling firm should be tied to a rock and dropped in the Commercial Slip, never to be seen alive again.

  9. kooksapalooza

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    Oct 13th, 17:32

    holy crap why cant we just leave it and move on to developing somethign else in the area!...a sing is a sign...

  10. Dangelo23

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    Oct 13th, 17:34

    Who cares about the color right now, it's up, it's fine for now, When do we find out what National Stores are coming here with Bass Pro? We were told a few months ago that the list would be made public in mid-summer and now we're running into Fall. What gives? What a waist of time to decide what color to make the letters when the waterfront area still needs more development. Not for nothing, the finished area looks great, but what else is there to offer right now? When do we get to see more restaurants and finally Retail to this area? That's all I care about right now...who else agrees with me?

  11. kooksapalooza

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    Oct 13th, 17:59

    this guy does

  12. Dangelo23

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    Oct 13th, 18:36

    It just seems so senseless to have a group debate on what color to paint something that is not even a year old yet then to work on other issues such as out door performances, getting new venders, working with Benderson on the status for development around this area. Has plans changed? are we still getting the mix of office, residential, hotel, etc. ? ???? That should be the main topic right now instead of the post above.

  13. 300miles

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    Oct 13th, 18:53

    The signs are done. They can be updated anytime. Now is the time to focus on the big picture of the whole "canal zone" and not on minutia

  14. Joshua

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    Oct 13th, 19:30

    What difference does it make what color the letters on the Commercial Slip are? I think it looks great; I think we are totally missing the point of all the PROGRESS that is happening downtown. Let us ALL move forward on to the next project. This is small beans.

  15. crisa

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    Oct 13th, 19:36

    Too many cooks spoil the signage.

  16. buffawakening

    2 ratings12345
    Oct 13th, 20:10

    wow. ITS A SIGN PEOPLE!!! i agree with the many above... who cares what color or font it is!!!!! at least it is there! do you really think people are visiting the commercial slip saying "if it wasnt for that sign i would be down here alot more often...". come on. buffalo has alot bigger fish to fry. lets move on.

  17. AdamFIx

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    Oct 13th, 20:44

    i also think it looks fine as-is

  18. the_trooper

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    Oct 13th, 23:10

    My new wife and I like the Commercial Slip (sign and all) we took our wedding photos there over the weekend. Leave it as is. Let them put their energy (and cash) into finishing the rest of the project!

  19. jamesbflo

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    Oct 14th, 00:55

    is this seriously an issue. the sign, font, and color are fine.

  20. gaustad

    2 ratings12345
    Oct 14th, 02:07

    the_trooper - you took your wedding photos there....! Wow, how romantic.

    City needs to worry on fixing the sewer line under the slip that keeps spewing up "crap" instead of worrying about the ugly sign....

    I agree with Enxu - sign and name "Commercial Slip" are total over kill, and disney like, not consistent with the history we are trying to represent.

    Good example of the mentality of the people who designed this project....sames idiots who busted a sewer line, and same idiots that screw up every other project in Buffalo.

    People, elect good leaders and watch Buffalo leap forward.

  21. BlackRockAdvocate

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    Oct 14th, 03:12

    Wait the city will sell the rights to the highest or most politically connected to put there name up there.. Bass Pro Slip...Dunn Tire Canal...Paladino's Ditch.

  22. jamesbflo

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    Oct 14th, 06:11

    lol, the Disneyfication has done wonders for Vegas and Times Square. While i think its a stretch to call this 'disney like', i'd be totally supportive if that was the ultimate direction they intended to go with.

    Lets face it, those 'disney like' places work for quite a few reasons. They're family friendly, engaging, have mass appeal, and simply - fun.

    We have a choice. Sterile and historic to bore people into never coming back or spice it up to create a true destination thats entertaining enough to keep the visitors visiting.

    Authentic doesnt have to mean boring.

  23. flyguy

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    Oct 14th, 15:41

    Leave it alone, its fine. Picky picky picky. The fact is you will never have 100% agreement on this one.

  24. Enxu

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    Oct 14th, 19:01

    @jamesbflo - "Authentic doesnt have to mean boring." I completely agree....but this sign elelment isn't authentic by any means.

    To others, I know it seems picky, but this is a small step in the wrong direction.

    As the canal area is further developed, I think that many of us hope for a balance between "tourist" or "attraction" elements and tasteful, historical reproductions (not that these are mutually exclusive). This is a big piece on that tourist/attraction side. Bass Pro will be another huge peice. The small grass lots behind the boardwalk seem like they are priimed for future retail structures. Too much of this, and we end up with a garish, glowing eyesore; something resembling any number of faux-historic shopping plazas and strip malls that can be found all over WNY and the USA.

  25. WholeLottaJibbaJabbah

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    Oct 16th, 11:02

    I really enjoy the signage. The font evokes a time of big factories and mills that were once down in this area. The font is a bit quirky but that's what is so wonderful about it, it's like they were hand made using late 19th century tools. I think they should keep on with this style I dig it!

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