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Hmmm. I didn't know about Senator Clinton's involvement in this project. Thanks for providing the back-story. This is certainly important information as I consider my primary vote.

ok other than artspace....what has Hillary done for Buffalo? Ideas anyone? Anything?

Newell -

"Hillary Clinton 'persuaded' ArtSpace to come here."

"Buffalo almost lost Artspace due to our 'unfavorable' image"

Its sounds great, but what exactly did Hillary Clinton do to "persuade" Artspace? I would like to know becuase she is could be our next President. Is this your way of campaigning for her? She sucks!

Furthernore, is BRO finally admitting that Buffalo has an "unfavorable national image." In the past, you and many people on this site have said that there is nothing wrong with our national image! Why the change of heart?

Personally, I think Hillary Clinton and Elliot Spitzer are full of shit. Neither one of them cares about Buffalo NY in the very least. Buffalo is a place where they can come to spew out some encouraging words when they are short a few votes.

someone please tell me, what has Hillary Clinton or Spitzer done for this city?

Bill and Hillary are lying sacks of shit that have no moral intergrity.

Chris69 - Artspace should be all anyone needs to know. People should definitely support Hillary if they agree with public funding for subsidized nice lofts for artists. Who better than Hillary to grease the skids for that sort of thing?

But to answer your question, Joshua Green in the Atlantic Monthly Nov 2006 suggests her accomplishments are more psychological rather than tangible. His theory is she makes Buffalonains and other Upstate NYers feel important.

...Clinton has used her extra-legislative superpower to help spur the creation of a medical cluster in Syracuse, new defense technology in the state’s Central Corridor, even artists’ lofts in abandoned Buffalo buildings.

When she appeared on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, she requested that the band play “Erie Canal” when she appeared, giving her a musical opening to plug upstate tourism, which she did.

...The quantitative effects of all this are negligible, considering the scope of the problems her state faces: New York has lost 65,000 jobs in the six years she has represented it. But the psychological benefits of her upstate attentions have been tremendous.

It’s as if the prom queen had wandered over unbidden during lunch to insist on sitting with the kids from shop class and asked them to explain drop presses. Clinton never came close to adding 200,000 jobs upstate. Her popularity stems instead from sheer, bludgeoning persistence and an eager willingness to spread her glamour over an area with little of its own. ...

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200611/green-hillary/8

I don't know why the persistent posts from people more than eager to take their daily dump on bro. i personally use a toilet. It is the same people over and over saying the same stupid shit.

JohnMartin - Good list of problems but you forgot to mention our long term undersupply of cheap cool artist lofts.

nyc - It won't last forever. Everyone will move on eventually and there can be fewer comments - all with polite optimism. Or BRO can follow the example of DetroitRising.com and not post any comments. For now anyone can click Avoid User if alternative views bother them too much.

Hmm where did BetterThanDetroit's apple pie comment go?

When I read other negative comments regarding Newell's posts, I usually shrug my shoulders and say to myself, "Its his website, he can do what he wants, none of us are forced to visit BRO."

However, I now must say that with the increase in traffic, in addition to the increased level of frustration, the "jounalists" must support their claims a little better; too many gernalized articles, not enough supporting documentionation ruins BRO's credibility.

BTD, maybe you're in a house that became vacant when an artist moved from it to go live in Artspace. Do you hear sounds outside? Don't worry. It might just be noises from murals being hammered on to beautify the neighborhood. Soon enough some hip tourists are sure to come by. Just holler loud. Looks like some of your comments were erased. That's what you get for making creative suggestions.

Yeah your earlier apple pie comment was eaten. Maybe you're at Zimmerman's place. Yeah, you've been Zimmed a few times this thread.

While you're mourning your comments, what do you suppose this means - 'The success that has ensued the Buffalo project is a testament this city.'

Not picking on grammar but WTF does it mean? What's the 'success' and what's the 'testament (to) this city'? Her Highness arranged public funding, then somebody used it to built lofts in a former industrial building in a city with a big surplus of housing, then 40 or 50 creative people moved from our other neighborhoods to go live there.

Nice but other than bragging rights for Hillary, Byron, and our artistics, what's any real impact? We trade the vacating of few dozen cheap apartments around the city in return for selling more smokes and sandwiches at that Delta Sonic the cool kids hate anyway because it's not historic? Ok all that's worth 10 million, sure. Oh yeah and that first floor retail space. Won't cost more money down the road to be sure that's not embarrassingly empty, no way.

Well the nice thing about artspace is that you can leave politics at the door. I think it might be a little early to be demanding statistics and who cares what it signifies at this point? Artspace had a malfunction and hillary was the one to put the battery's in the VCR remote. Its not much to take credit for! What is really sad is that artspace thinks its specialization is grander then the attraction of this region. They can fall off the unbuilt peace bridge and pretend that they are the hope diamond for all i care.

Hillary Clinton is a useless dishonest obese fraud.

The next time she is town shoveling food in her face over at Siegel Keller and Kahn, looking for donations and votes, i will be sure to tell her what a useless waste of space she is.

This is Buffalo, we speak the truth here.

I will by mysesf a row of Oranges (seats) from the Aud, mend my tin foil stanley cup, put on my chicken wing hat, and get loose all ove this beeeeeeeeeeeeaaayyyyyytttttttccccchh.

Artspace is bringing back Midtown! - Its like Rockafeller Center over there - hold on to you seats people, we are going back to the Pan Am turn of the century Industrial Powerhouse that we once were.....get those grain mills going, light the steel plants, scoup the flower, open AM&A's, open the AUD, lets get going. The Statler will be filled by Summer, we will be partying on Issa's boat - talking about the anchor tenant he landed from Toronto for 40 story City Tower.

Ooooops, 500 more people just moved to Charlotte......it was jsut a dream

BTD, that's what I was getting at. Bill, Bob and other landlords end up with the tenant market being artificially shrunk by 50 new dwellers of subsidized lofts (to be nice that assumes 10 of the 60 new lofts imported artists from Williamsville or Manhattan - otherwise rental market would shrink by 60 tenants).

50 or 60 tenants isn't huge shrinkage but it must've helped cause boarding up some more houses. How could it not? When population loss or the actual marketplace makes that happen so be it, but to have a political pork project cause it is worse. A 'testament this city' all right.

Just realized them giving Zim treatment to your earlier comments makes some of what I wrote sound strange. Maybe not stranger than usual. As gaustad said it's their blog. They're getting quick with that erasing whole comments trigger though. Watch your step here, RisingDamp666. BTD wrote a few lines like yours and got zimmed for it.

BUY a row or Oranges (spelling error)

Our politicians should be focusing on making the area more attractive to investment, not competing with the few that have already invested here (and would consider it in the future). Cut our taxes, get more people to the area. Housing will take care of itself, by the private sector.

Hey thanks for the two-star rating just because I expressed interest in Sen. Clinton's involvement in the project. I'm not even planning to vote for her, but I'm glad to see that allowing the information for enter my mind as I continue to ponder my vote is considered so unkindly around here.

Again they chose the lamest angle possible to post to their website. How about a front shot like most of the other images, especially with the gorgeous dramatic glass entrance and hallway you can see from Main Street.

all this talk of Clinton is making me feel in debt to something.

Doc, some of my posts are taken serioulsy and some are not, but most make a point if you are intelligent enough to read through the sarchasm.

My first post was kindly requsting the facts, which you say exist on this website...they do not.

"Hillary Clinton "Persuaded" Art space to come to Buffalo"

How? I still do not have and answer, yet you say this is a credible place for information. Did she lobby for it. Is there supporting documentation of lobbying, phone calls, interviews. What did she do and why should i feel fortunated that she even exists in our lives?

You obviously missed the point; Clinton and Spitzer do not give a shit about Buffalo. Therefore, we will not receive any kind of real subsidy to assist our impoversished city. Moreover, they laugh at us behind the scenes like we are the retarded kid in the class......yes they do!

They go back to their Penthouse condos in NYC and laugh about how far behind the curve we are.

Don't be used by Hilary or Spitzer, they could be doing a hell of a lot more for Buffalo. you can throw that nit wit Schumer in there too!

Doc, I have also lived in several major cities. I have found that our "unfavorable image" comes from the fact that people have visited Buffalo for one reason or another and feel that they have entered a time warp. If you were not from Buffalo and walked down Main St or chippewah St., you would laugh at what a ghetto it is, just as the politicians do.

We don't laugh, becuase we love our city, much like a mother loves an ugly child.

As the broker for the sale from Agassiz Holdings to ArtSpace, I can tell you that Hillary Clinton had little to do with this project. She made a phone call, wrote an article to the Buffalo News and obtained $250,000 for the $16 million project. If you want to thank someone for the project, you should thank Tim Wanamaker. He was the one with the friends over at ArtSpace and made the initial calls and arranged a meeting with ArtSpace here.

Craig Klausen

Hillary put us on Artspace's radar - as she should have, considering her previous job description as Senator (from NEW YORK STATE...)

Stop blaming politicians. It's the people of Buffalo's fault for looking for economic salvation from left-leaning politicians. I wish there was a NY State Control Board to lower NY State taxes and regulation, and I wish there was the equivalent Citizen control board for Buffalo's complainers. THAT control board would immediately zip everyone's mouth shut and only allow a select few people to talk until everyone was on the same program with a REAL pro-business agenda.

[I think tapping my slippers together is probably as effective as expecting a celebrity politician to save the city]

Im getting hungary with all this talk of food.

Hillary loves to spend other people's money. It is that mindset that is the foundation of our economic misery.