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Its not downtown and UB has already taken strides with new purchases downtown (ie M Wile factory). Sorry, but it doesn't make much sense to me to have two SUNY schools next door to each other either. It makes much more sense for UB to build on their (albeit limited) presence downtown already.

agreed, UB's future is downtown, Richardson is an obvious expansion for Buff state or the next cultural attraction. Thinking about it as a UB campus is foolish when the biggest bang for our buck is to continue to grow and nurture UB+BNMC.

UB would never ever consider this an option, it only started to think about downtown because of its highly entrenched faculty into all of the medical institutions (roswell, hauptman-woodward, Buffalo General etc.) Without those connections maybe it could have been an option but this is too far out there.

Sorry but I canot even believe this was posted and worth consideration and discussion. Buffalo State is turning down 10,000 students per year and if plans were made to grow Buffalo State in partnership with UB then Buffalo State could easily expand to Forest, to not just Grant but Niagara, as well as Tonawanda and Amherst.

There was just a post about Buffalo State needing to add 1k to 2k worth of student housing though maybe only 500 will be on campus dorms.

Buffalo State needs to expand its programs, expand its labs and its small business incubators, etc. The last thing Buffalo State needs is UB sharing its campus......THOUGH THERE IS ONE AND ONLY ONE WAY THAT WOULD WORK BUT IT WOULD NOT BE A UB CAMPUS PURSAY..AND THAT WOULD BE A BUFFALO STATE/UB PARTNERSHIP OR A BUFFALO STATE/CANISIUS PARTNERSHIP IN SAY COMPLEMENTARY PROGRAMS AND COMPLEMENTARY RESOURCES.

There are only two real options other than the Fruit Belt for a future UB campus (which must be along a future light rail route and close to the city). They would be the warehouse area around the Central Terminal or Lackawanna adjacent to the Basilica and South Park but I would hold the carrot out to Lackawanna that if they want UB and a light rail extension and brownfield redevelopment then they should merge with the City of Buffalo. TO ME IF THERE EVER IS A 4TH UB RESEARCH CAMPUS ON A LIGHT RAIL ROUTE THEN ITS GOING SOMEWHERE IN SOUTH BUFFALO/LACKAWANNA.

transportation considerations also need to be understood, the lgiht rail already connects South Campus and the BNMC, and ideally could get extended to north creating a unified, efficient and sustainable transportation link between all campuses that can handle the huge amounts of capacity needed now and after UB grows. This would be simply too disjointed to be schedule classes reliably and except that the thousands of out of state and international students who rely on public transit to get to this campus.

UB needs to further nurture the BNMC and move from there into the Mid City/East Side area. That way there's a chance that they can meet Canisius halfway, providing something of a link from UB South to Canisius to UB BNMC (with Artspace and Coe Pl thrown in for good measure).

John nice idea I love it, and welcome to town. Though, to the credit of other posts, it is confusing 2 SUNY Buffalo's, but Buffalo is a bit of an enigma itself. Buff State will never have the capital that UB does to move into Richardson, or else they would have jumped on that by now. Yes UB should be near the BNMC, but for them to move into the fruitbelt would displace residents, and I don't think that would be good for the neighborhood, and it would take away properties from the tax roll. Now the HH Richardson is in a solid community, next to the 198, room to build dorms, gorgeous grounds not like UB Amherst, and it's not on the tax rolls. And if you put UB and BuffState next to each other I'd tend to bet students could take classes from both schools, that other doesn't offer, the professors could collaborate, and the odds of HH Richardson going dark again would be much less than if a thinly funded cultural org. took the space. The BNMC is doing fantastic things and will continue to grow with UB's support regardless of where it's "downtown" campus is. I think we just need to keep all options on the table and keep an open mind. John, if you want to share the idea with John Simpson (UB Pres) I'm sure he'd be receptive to an e-mail or letter with your suggestion.

Interesting idea, but I don't see UB expanding next to Buff State. It's too close, plus the parking at Buff State can be congested at times.

UB need to be downtown. Downtown will expand when UB starts work. Students, teachers and guests will spend money downtown. The possibly more expansion will happen.

UB's third campus is downtown in Trico/M. Wile to Buffalo Niagara Medical Campus. Welcome to Buffalo! Next time you might want to run your article by Newell or someone else who's been around. Lots of recent media coverage. Google "UB 2020" to see more about UB's plans.

Lastcall, Buffalo is in need of another 1-2 Centers for Excellence which means 1-2 locations for a combination research facility and office/light industrial park that has access to light rail. UB South Buffalo/Lackawanna would not a place to have classes in that sense but would be more like the BNMC campus except non-medical.

South Buffalo has alot of manufacturing, warehouse, distribution, material science, power generation etc corporations and so its an ideal location for say a COE for Power Generation/Distribution, a COE for Material Science/Nanotechnology, a COE for International Trade & Logistics, etc.

Buffalo is stupid if it thinks it can build its commercial and industrial renaissance on only one type of Center for Excellence (Medical). Buffalo needs to diversify and grow multiple technologies, multiple paths of research, multiple products and services, multiple industries....

UB campus expansion belongs downtown in medical campus vicinity where it should have gone years ago. Buffalo State should expand west toward 198 (tons of vacant land). As for Richardson, all original buildings must be preserved and renovated, level everything else except Birchfield. As for reuse of the Richardson complex, I would love to see an architectural museum and learning center similar to Frank Lloyd Wright’s Taliesin School of Architecture with the remaining property returned to its original green space.

I think this is a wonderful idea definitely worth exploring more. The synergy college students create in urban areas cannot be underestimated. When national developers consider huge lifestyle shopping areas in urban areas the major thing they look for is the amount of students located around the area. I mean you can see it with Buff State students and Elmwood avenue. Locating the majority of UB in Amherst is always looked at as such a bad mistake mainly because the thousands of students are isolated from everything. Instead of shooting this idea down rite away look at some examples of vibrant urban areas..not just huge cities but vibrant livable cool areas around the country...what is the one variable Boston, Philly, Burlington, Columbus and many more i cant think of off the top of my head have??..they all have not just a couple thousand but tens of thousands of students from many different colleges and universities all clustered within the same area. These students have disposable income that they woul dlove to spend at trendy stores clubs boutiques etc...as of now teh tens of thousands of UB students are relegated to shop at the Galleria... I know there will be many negative remarks toards this post but i think if anything I would love to see this conversation discussed more in depth especially with maybe some insight form area leaders and especially Robert Shibley and John Simpson from UB and others.

I think this is a wonderful idea definitely worth exploring more. The synergy college students create in urban areas cannot be underestimated. When national developers consider huge lifestyle shopping areas in urban areas the major thing they look for is the amount of students located around the area. I mean you can see it with Buff State students and Elmwood avenue. Locating the majority of UB in Amherst is always looked at as such a bad mistake mainly because the thousands of students are isolated from everything. Instead of shooting this idea down rite away look at some examples of vibrant urban areas..not just huge cities but vibrant livable cool areas around the country...what is the one variable Boston, Philly, Burlington, Columbus and many more i cant think of off the top of my head have??..they all have not just a couple thousand but tens of thousands of students from many different colleges and universities all clustered within the same area. These students have disposable income that they woul dlove to spend at trendy stores clubs boutiques etc...as of now teh tens of thousands of UB students are relegated to shop at the Galleria... I know there will be many negative remarks toards this post but i think if anything I would love to see this conversation discussed more in depth especially with maybe some insight form area leaders and especially Robert Shibley and John Simpson from UB and others.

buffalo state needs to find a way to split some of this property up, its large enough to have a war on.

lanie4545, I'm sorry you had a bad experience trying to get into law school, but do you really have to take it out on the law students? I'm not a law student but I feel as though such an gross exaggeration may call for a suit on the premise of libel. Having law students downtown will add more youth to the city, and, last I checked, drunkards help out the economy as well (they buy drinks).

I think it's quite obvious that UB is looking to expand on the Buffalo NIagara Medical Campus. The Richardson complex is in close proximity to Buffalo State and it would make no sense to have two campuses on top of eachother. Also, with the expansion to the BNMC this move would create a fourth UB campus which is not the goal.

I think it's quite obvious that UB is looking to expand on the Buffalo NIagara Medical Campus. The Richardson complex is in close proximity to Buffalo State and it would make no sense to have two campuses on top of eachother. Also, with the expansion to the BNMC this move would create a fourth UB campus which is not the goal.

an idea i had in design school where we redesigned portions of the city was to encorperate a ecc master campus on the vacant land west of buff state or to the south on the old hostpital......an art institute facing elmwood?. the mental institutions elmwood facing side would be great place to do that and have an entire cooridoor of art museums college space, right at the mouth to elmwood villiage....consolidation of the parceled lands along the 198 and blocks of abonded homes or homes below the 10,000 dollar price tag could be consoldated into master area of buff state ecc master campus and a possible art institute. this would boost propert values and give home woners new choices in teh demographics they rent to slowing or stopping urban decay as well as give a huge boost to the elmwood villiage. p.s. theres room for an above ground subway line to run the back portion of buffstate along niagara street to downtown...since it would cost too much to run one underground down any main street, just a fleeting thought

my guess with the double comments would be because people are double-clicking the add your comment button.

sorry for the double posts

sorry for the double posts

RonR - People are doing BR a favor by pointing out the recent severe sluggishness of the site. Just because you haven't noticed it doesn't mean it's not happening.