Heated Sidewalks and Crosswalks

Heated Sidewalks and Crosswalks

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Once a year I have to give a pitch for more heated sidewalks around the city. Last year there was a buzz circulating that heated sidewalks were at least on the radar of planners who were dealing with putting traffic on Main Street (see post). It was the first time that I had ever seen the issue brought up... heated sidewalks made the list of items that were being discussed. Apparently Main Street is not high on the list of districts to be overhauled, and now that we're seeing progress surrounding the Inner Harbor, it might be a good time to at least look into the option for any commercial stretches that might be planned.

Recently we have seen some smaller developers taking advantage of the technology. Lu Modern Classics on Elmwood has heated walks, as does the 24-hour store. It doesn't matter which commercial district you happen to be located in, lack of shoveling is a big problem and prevents people from wanting to shop and eat. Even if the businesses are good about it, the crosswalks can be very treacherous. Maybe the technology is too expensive to consider for entire districts, but there are always major sections of sidewalks that should be considered for this type of amenity. Next year the Inner Harbor will be open to the public… it would be nice to add some year ‘round features into any future planning.

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  1. rogerschroeder

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    Dec 19th 2007, 19:42

    Heated sidewalks is a Hummer of a idea. While we are at it lets do the roads also. Heck we should be able to get this global warming going fast enough that we will not have to worry about snow anyway. We create laws about building insulation to conserve energy yet we can dump it outside unregulated. Go figure.

  2. 11111inBlo

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    Dec 19th 2007, 19:55

    FYI, The Central branch of the B&EC Library in Lafayette Square downtown also has heated sidewalks. You can tell by how nice the snow is melted and by the signs that tell workers not to dig...

  3. Hoss

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    Dec 19th 2007, 20:19

    I believe that City Hall, and a few other buildings are heated off the same steam. There was talk a couple years ago about hooking more buildings up to it. It is an extremely efficient way to heat multiple buildings. An additional benefit was that moving the steam from building to building under the sidewalks would melt the snow. A good portion of midtown Manhattan operates like this. Makes sense to me. My uncle was involved in the issue, I'll ask him more about it.

  4. Celia

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    Dec 19th 2007, 20:37

    How do these work? I'd like to know more.

    In Canada, the city is responsible for clearing sidewalks as well as streets, including residential. Can't fathom that working here.

  5. al-alo

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    Dec 19th 2007, 21:06

    ive been thinking about heated sidewalks a bit myself lately.

    it seems that there are basically two methods to go about it: electric and or liquid. basically, its like radiant flooring.

    im no engineer, but I wonder if a geothermal loop system would be a (almost) carbon neutral way to go about it. after all, the sidewalk only needs to be 33 degrees.

    also, in historic districts around town, sandstone or other stone is still common (or should be). is it possible to relay these sidewalks over a heating system in a cost effective manner? my initial thought is that a solid nonshifting foundation (like concrete) would have to be laid, then the radiant system, set in concrete, then the sandstone set into the concrete.

    what do you crazy engineers think? 'cause i actually may have a possible demonstrator project.

  6. chris69

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    Dec 19th 2007, 22:40

    I see those all the time and the one thing I can say is that it seems like they are always busting up the concrete for some sort of leak or whatever......as if Buffalo doesnt have enough maintenance and infrastructure problems.

  7. georgethomasapfel

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    Dec 19th 2007, 23:04

    im no engineer, but I wonder if a geothermal loop system would be a (almost) carbon neutral way to go about it. after all, the sidewalk only needs to be 33 degrees.

    You don't even need to go very deep to find heat sources, it's not too far down where you find good ole' mother earth maintains a 55 degree temperature year 'round. For the past ten years or so homes and businesses have used ground-source heat pumps (GSHP's) to maintain interior comfort and melt the ice and snow off their sidewalks and driveways. Modern materials used would not require the maintenance older pipes require- that's why you see torn up sidewalks, Buffalo's water infrastructure system is over 100 years old.

    As for a centralized system to deliver this, there was a crazy engineer by the name of Birdsall Holly who came up with the idea back in 1877, when it was put into practical use in Lockport. Birdsall also invented such conveniences as the fire hydrant and the first municipal water system.

    Gotta love those crazy engineers!

  8. knock_knock

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    Dec 20th 2007, 01:00

    Geothermal would be one part of the solution. It would have to be a corruptive effort. Business / property owners would need to get the snow to the curb so the city could easily scoop it up, and the geothermal could keep it clear instead of throwing tons of salt down. Geothermal couldn’t possibly melt large amounts of snow on its own. So for now just shovel your side walk or pay somebody to do it. The city should enforce the laws they already have on this subject.

  9. sbrof

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    Dec 20th 2007, 08:55

    As someone who just did several miles of walking around Elmwood, Hertel and Delaware for Christmas shopping I must say that the sidewalks were not convenient at all. I think the city really should get on people and businesses that don't shovel. I had a cart to carry my items and trying to navigate was near impossible. I am glad I didn't have anything too heavy as I was forced to pick up everything and carry it over some stretches. The corner areas are also very problematic. The plows create rather large hills that most places just ignore. Even if they do shovel their sidewalk you need to hike over there mounds. God forbid and elderly person needs to walk anywhere or someone in a wheelchair because it would be impossible.

    I especially hate when parking lot owners plow their parking lot snow onto the sidewalks and just leave it on the sidewalks forcing people to walk in the streets and then they get yelled at for not walking on the sidewalks. It's an evil cycle.

  10. RhodeIslandBoy

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    Dec 20th 2007, 09:37

    sbrof:

    As a member of the city's bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee who has been trying valiantly to bring this to the city's attention, I would urge you to write down the address number of the businesses that fail to clear their sidewalks and report them via citistat to the City. The only way to address this situation is to report it. You get a tracking number and the city is forced to take action, which means an inspector is sent out to inspect the sidewalk and a warning letter is sent or a fine against the building owner is assessed.

    It's easy to report; it can be done online and anonymously: http://www.city-buffalo.com/Applications/ComplaintForm/default.aspx

  11. jsk1983

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    Dec 20th 2007, 10:30

    I don't see why we expect individual property owners to maintain sidewalks while the city maintains the street. I'd like to see the city clear the sidewalks, at least on business streets. It seems better than just hoping everyone will comply and then possibly issuing some fines. Besides a small sidewalk plow can clear snow in a matter of seconds as oppossed to the time it would take to shovel.

  12. stephenjames716

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    Dec 20th 2007, 11:33

    on a side note what is with all the people walking in the street when the sidewalks have been cleared? (this was apparent on kensington ave last night) are they trying to get hit?

  13. RhodeIslandBoy

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    Dec 20th 2007, 11:41

    JSK, I guess the city should also mow my front lawn? I don't agree with that argument at all.

    And Stephen, another thing that should be addressed. I roll down my window and yell, "SIDEWALK" any time I pass the middle-of-the-street walkers, much to my wife's chagrin. City cops should start ticketing anyone walking in the middle of the street. You'll find they do it in the middle of the summer, too, so it is not really a snow issue.

    Mayor Casey, if you're reading this, three words for you: Quality Of Life. Enforce the small things and everything else will fall into place.

  14. al-alo

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    Dec 20th 2007, 11:56

    if im not mistaken, doesnt the town plow kenmore's sidewalks? my memory is fading, so i may be off.

    as for walking in the street, it is absolutely one of my pet peeves. August or feb, doesnt matter. I too yell out the window, also to my wifes chagrin. sometimes im more colorful than just "sidewalk". now she uses the child lock on me. blast!

    but ive taken to submitting a complaint to the mayors office. the next day, there were officers at the street in question. just luck, maybe. but ill take it.

    and as far as the broken window effect goes, this was exactly the kind of thing that NYC cracked down on. panhandlers, graffiti and jaywalking.

  15. icecreamsub

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    Dec 20th 2007, 13:09

    people walking in the street on Kensington ave? that's a shock.....like was mentioned earlier,.it has nothing to do with the weather...it is an "attitude" thing...these are the same people that after finishing their slice of pizza walking down the street just toss the garbage on the ground with absolutely no thought or concern for what they are doing.....and who eats meals while walking down the street?

  16. icecreamsub

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    Dec 20th 2007, 13:14

    yes, plows still do Kenmore sidewalks and the StormToopers still enforce the village speed limit...one of the perks of living in Norman Rockwellesque Nazi heaven... or hell depending on your outlook.

  17. ktoy

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    Dec 20th 2007, 15:42

    People walk in the streets because even though "some" of the sidewalks might be cleared, they are often not cleared to pavement. So they are icy! Shocking, but true. I am often forcred to walk in the street in my lovely Amherst neighborhood because there is too much ice on the sidewalks and not every sidewalk has been cleared.

    One would think that shop owners would be incentivized (is that a word?) to clear their sidewalks. If I can't get into a store, I'm not going to shop at it.

  18. Hoss

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    Dec 20th 2007, 18:59

    Just last night while walking with my 4 year old in the Parkside neighborhood, I had to walk in the street because of un-shoveled sidewalks. The culprit was the Buffalo Girl Scouts of all people. They habitually disregard their snowy/icy sidewalks. You'd think if any organization were to set a good example... Anyways, it was 6pm, dark, and I had to walk in the slushy, narrowed (winter) streets. Not the safest feeling. Tomorrow I will ask them in person to obey the law. If they don't, I will contact citistat. Thanks Rhodeislandboy.

  19. sbrof

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    Dec 21st 2007, 10:26

    It was funny, while driving through Buffalo people get all upset at people walking in the street and yell stuff but when with the same people in Kenmore or North Tonawanda this past couple days they don't get upset at all. It is amazing how people get annoying at street walkers based on the color of their skin.

    And yes I trudge through just about anything on the sidewalk but at 26 I can. There are many places where if you are anything but surefooted you would probably fall. I saw someone bite it on my street a couple houses over on a "shoveled" but not cleared to pavement sidewalk. That person will probably walk in the street from now on because of that.

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