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The Iron Island segment was pretty interesting. I can't wait to see what the Ghost Hunters come up with at the Central Terminal!

The Iron Island segment was pretty interesting. I can't wait to see what the Ghost Hunters come up with at the Central Terminal!

We're summoning all the ghosts in the terminal to appear this Saturday at the terminal for Oktoberfest from 6pm to 11pm. Oh yeah, and we'll have food, beer and music by GAM Blaskapelle also.

I never miss an opportunity for a shameless plug. :)

thanks for the tip

its great to see them again in the WNY area... how about letting them in and doing a show at the richardson complex??? haha THAT would be a great show for sure.

great idea buffawakening!...I myself would love to get inside the complex.

i heard that they stopped tours in 2003 and they might be renovating it? anyone have any info on this (H.H Richardson complex)?

Since Buffalo is really a ghost town, I can see why these guys keep coming back to Buffalo.

georged: you are an idiot. look around you buffalo is doing more now than ever before we may even be on the eve of a rebirth

buffaloawakening-you are the idiot. Rebirth? What they are only losing a few thousand people this year? Only a few companies leaving? Talk to me about rebirth when a major employer comes here or the place isn't shrinking by the thousands. Putting up bike racks and fixing some houses up in the "village" doesn't make a rebirth.

Rebirth is not an explosion its a series of small steps.the water front project will bring in many jobs, including bass pro which thousands of people flock to every year. if the casino goes through, that will also bring in 100s of jobs. its a small step yes, but a step none the less. building the new federal courthouse and new era expanding their headquarters are also good news for the area. blue cross blue sheild has also invested in the area when they built there new offices. if the politicians would lower taxes and create a more buisness friendly enviroment, then buffalo really could see a rebirth. we have one of the lowest costs of living in the country, one of the most sucessful high schools and great universites, students of which would love to stay here if they had the chance. my calling you an "idiot" may have been out of line so my apologies, but i cant stand people that only bash buffalo, dont see the great things it has or the great things it can do. people who just bash and do nothing to change it.

buffawakening, did you ever think of why Buffalo has such a low cost of living. Supply/demand, no one wants to live there. Through in the taxes, and Buffalo isn't that great of a deal anyways. Low cost of living, but low income earning potential. Doesn't exactly paint the picture of rebirth to me.

buffalo isnt a great deal? my friend you are ignorant. a 300,000 dollar house here would be worth millions anywhere else. even with taxes your money here goes further than anywhere else. and "no one wants to live here?" talk to some x buffalonians... you will here different. its just that as of now there isnt enough jobs. when the jobs come, so will the people. and i gurantee you that 99% of them will love it here. because whats not to love?

Sop, let me get this straight, a $300,000 house in Buffalo would be worth millions "anywhere" else. You make this statement, but you call me ignorant. So, take away parts of Southern california, Bay area, Westchester, NY, Greenich, CT, and some other ultra expensive areas, and then show me the facts of how this blanket statement is true.

I'll give you a break, I read your bio and you are a college kid. Stop drinking the Buffalo Kool-aid son. I know that you have owned houses all over the country and dabble in real estate, right? Not an economics major, right. Price usually goes up with demand. In educated areas, with nice climates, good economies or in large metro areas, people want to live there. Real estate prices go up. In depressed areas, with no jobs, people move away, they don't come. prices go down.

One more questions..when are all thse jobs coming??? Thye have been saying that since the 1970s. Also, if all thse x-Buffalonians want to live in Buffalo, why are they x-Buffalonians? Wake up son.

they are x buffalonians because there isnt many jobs here as you pointed out. in fact much of my family has moved away. but what i am saying is that we are turning a corner. we are creating more jobs. and for your information, my relatives who live in long beach california would love to come back here. the people here stand out from all other places.

some random costs of living... weighed by housing 30% food 15% transportation 10% utilites 7% health care 6% the rest under the "other" section Buffalo's score is 78 overall... but housing is 24 pittsburg 84 .... housing 43 St Louis 80 Colombia SC 84 Portland OR 109 portland ME 103... housing 120 Little rock 80... housing 53

(http://www.bestplaces.net/city/default.aspx?cat=COSTLIV&city=Buffalo_NY&ccity=Pittsburgh_PA&p=3611000&op=4261000)

i think it is fair to say those are "typical" cities. your major cities would be even higher.

and please dont "cut me a break" because i am a college kid. I know economics and know supply and demand. im not stupid. yes i know we have a low cost of living because we are not overflowing with money like san fran and NYC. but reasons dont matter... the fact is is that we still have a low cost of living. and i wouldnt love buffalo as much as i do if it were a NYC or san fran. what do they have that buffalo dosnt for a much cheeper cost? we have a great art and music scene. good education. and for other urban things you can drive up to toronto.

and this so you know... we actually didnt lose any jobs this past year. we gained a very small amount... but for buffalo this is huge. (http://www.labor.state.ny.us/workforceindustrydata/index.asp?reg=wny)

and im not trying to say buffalo is going to have a population explosion, and skyscrapers will rise from the gravel.... most of us wouldnt want this even if we could have it. just that in the next decade or so, the population decline stops. some people start moving in. that buffalo is brought back to life.

Georged, you are an intelligent man. (i mean this with no sarcasm) and this so you know i enjoy discussing this with you greatly. your points are valid as are mine. Its always important to see the other side, and in seeing your side it has brought me down a little :( haha and educated me more. and yes it does not look fantastic for buffalo. as you said, it hasnt for decades.

but it may be turning around. but you cant turn around a city without people and buisnesses beliving in it. I believe in buffalo. thats why i am attending college to help it. In reading buffalorising all the time... i may drink the buffalo kool-aid a tad much :) as you say, but i do believe that we can and will bring back this town.

we also had a 2.7% increase in our GDP since 2005 and the times union paper of albany NY today published that for the first time in a very long time buffalo surpased Albany's economy, second only to Rochester in Upstate.

Were taxes factored into the cost of living for the examples you gave me? Again, I don't argue that housing in Buffalo is well below the national figures. I think you grossly underestimate taxes is figuring out what someone pays yearly on a home.

As far as surpassing Albany's economy, and being a runner-up to Rochester, NY...those aren't really any kind of feats to start bumping your chest about. All Albany has is goverment, and Rochestor has been reeling in the past few decades as well. To use a sports analogy that is like saying that JP Losman had much better QB ratings than Rob Johnson. That doesn't mean he was good. How about some comparisons with other cities Buffalo's size nationally? A 2.7% GDP increase since 2005? Until recently, with the economic downturn, the economy in most of the nation was cruising along. a 2.7%GDP increase isn't exactly a figure that would strongly support your rebirth notion.

Good luck with school, and i respect your passion and wish you the best.