Gary Schober On The Guaranty, Hodgson Russ, and Buffalo
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After being granted the opportunity to tour the renovated Guaranty Building, I called Hodgson Russ to see if President/CEO Gary Schober (photo below) was available for an interview. As luck would have it, Gary was on his way back into town, so we met up last week to talk about the events that led up to the law firmâs integral investment in the cityâs architectural cache.
âIâve never done a project like this before,â he confessed to me. âAt this point, itâs tough to step back and appreciate whatâs going on. I donât think I ever got the âwow effectâ that most other people get when seeing the renovated building for the first time. Itâs kind of like watching your kids grow up⌠you donât notice the big changes because youâre so close to them all the time."
Explaining how the project began, Gary said, "The partners at the firm had a 98% vote to move forward with the project. Once things got going we decided to leave it in the hands of the architectsâŚwe didnât want to open the process to too many opinions. We received bids from a number of prospectsâŚgetting the contract to work on the building was a big deal--a real highlight on any architectural firmâs resume. As a matter of fact, the firm that won the contract--Gensler out of DC--didnât know that their other office in NYC was also making a bid."
He further explained, "What many people donât know is that our firm began seeking a building seven years ago. We were looking for a building that could accommodate all of our lawyers. Two former Presidents, Dianne Bennett and Robert Conklin, handed the task off to me and said, âSchober, go do it.â In the end the Guaranty Building was still not big enough to house everyone at the firm.â
I was unaware that the ball had begun to roll on this renovation project so many years earlier. That time frame put many things into perspectiveâŚlike the fact that Hodgson Russ was well ahead of the curve when it came to any signs of a downtown renaissance.
âOne of our partners, Dick Campbell, fell madly in love with the building. Our firm has always played a large role in the community, and that role is what brought me here from New York. I remember that it was 1978 and I made the announcement at the family Thanksgiving dinner table that I was moving to Buffalo. Half the family thought that I was kidding, and the other half thought that I had gone crazy. Nevertheless I picked up and moved here with my wife. I told her that the second she wanted to go back to New York, we would pack our bags and head back. Looking back, I know that I never intended on staying here. I had grown up in the shadow of the Empire State Building, but he thought of moving to Buffalo--to a prestigious firm like Hodgson Russ where there was no limit to what I could accomplish--that was an exciting thought. But I didnât think that it was going to be a permanent decision.â
Gary admitted to me that there was only one reservation that certain people had when making the decision to purchase the Guaranty Building. âWe didnât want to be cast as an old firm. Hodgson Russ prides itself on looking forward more than looking back. When we made the decision to make this move, we did it at a time when others were saying it was crazy to bet on Buffalo. We were smart about our growth, and at the same time we were investing in Buffalo we began to invest in other markets. Since we are headquartered here we tend to do most of our hiring and training here⌠and our support staff is here too.
Hodgson Russ has grown alongside Buffalo (the firm played an active role in forming the City Charter, the Erie Canal, railroads, steel, UBâŚ) and we will continue to grow and follow a strategic plan that will benefit the firm and the city. This past summer we hosted a firm-wide party at Shanghai Reds on the water. The weather was beautiful and we hit a major homerun. Recently I put a weather widget on our website comparing the weather here and in NYC. This summer the weather in Buffalo was better almost every single day.â
Towards the end of the conversation I found myself wondering about a couple things that he had mentioned early on. I asked him if his family still thought he was crazy since they obviously learned that he had not been joking. âMy family members in NYC love it here. Theyâre going to be in town next week. They have even admitted to me that life is better here⌠I could never spend the time that I do with my family if I was working in Manhattan. Between the time at work and the commute? Here I can work long hours and make it home in time to coach soccer. Thereâs something to be said for quality of life. I have always believed that this city needs to realize its unfulfilled potential. Thatâs why Hodgson Russ, the largest law firm in Buffalo, will continue to play a role in the community; we have an obligation to fulfill, and remodeling the Guaranty Building is just one of those ways that weâre becoming a catalyst for change.â

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Spaulding97
The helicopter in the beginning tricked me. I thought it was Oasis "what's the story, morning glory"
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Willie1
It is a wonderful thing that the law firm took control of the Building and has turned it into their home. Ownership of a building like this is a tricky thing. People from all over the world show up in Buffalo at odd times to see this amazing & important building. Hopefully H-Russ will make the building available to the world in some way. Let's not forget that while H-Russ owns the building, it was created by Louis Sullivan, the father of Modern Architecture and a mentor of Frank Lloyd Wright's, Maybe Buffalo Rising will give Louis Sullivan as much credit as Mr. Schober. Don't forget the building is still standing due to the efforts of many in the late 70's. The late Jack Randall was the caretaker at one point, and Cannon Design led the restoration, renovation which was finished in the early 80's. Henry Balling served as the General Contrator at that time. And the original developers, whose names escape me at this time. If you like this building, don't forget to take a peek at the Wainright Buidling in St. Louis, which came before the Guaranty. Sullivan's Auditorium Theater is another important Sullivan masterpiece.
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Bizzles
yeah I need a little time to wake up wake up right now too Spaulding :)
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Frankster
Dont' worry, Gary, buying one of Buffalo's greatest architectural masterpieces brands you as smart and cutting edge, not old. Here's hoping that lots of other businesses follow your lead and snap up cool old buildings in Buffalo.
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Andrew
Great building. Congradulations to the owners. How long have they been there for?
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WCPerspective
They don't build 'em like they used to. And to think this treasure was almost carted off to landfill. Kudos and thank you Hodgson Russ for bringing long-term stability to this grand dame.
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dhnieman
This is an interesting piece and Hodgson Russ surely left this reader the impression they are forward thinking, that they are a substantial firm and they have a sincere concern for the community. Excellent interview.
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RaChaCha
My comments are a bit late to the party - I'm revisiting this article in brushing up on knowledge of this building as Buffalo Tours docent training gets underway for 2008. As Willie1 hints, there's a rich backstory of the preservation of this building - the full tale is decently told in a chapter of the book Beautiful Buffalo: Preserving a City. I believe it's still in print; if not, the downtown library has several copies. The book is a great overview of the history of preservation in Buffalo, and hands down the most memorable story is the preservation of the Guarantee Building - a fitting match to the significance of the building itself in architectural history. It may inspire you to tackle a preservation project yourself - you shouldn't have trouble finding one.
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