Downtown Fountains Of Life: Mon-Fri

Downtown Fountains Of Life: Mon-Fri

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This morning I was reading a comment from Hoss, when something he said struck me. He said, "I guess it's that chicken/egg story, all over again. "Why go downtown, nothing is open?" vs. "Why open a business downtown, nobody is there?"" He was referring to business hours (and days) for many of the downtown restaurants that are not open more than a few hours a day (and rarely on weekends). Of course he/she is right, but can you blame the businesses? If you open a business on the weekend will the people come? I was speaking with Dan Leonard from the Elmwood Village Association yesterday and he said, "You know I'm consistently amazed at the foot traffic that New Era gets downtown... it's busy every time I go. It shows that if you can attract the right businesses downtown they can make it."

While roaming Main Street with a friend this past weekend we noticed that none of the beautiful (and loud) water fountains were on. It was a beautiful day and the air was fairly still. It was so noticeable that there was something missing... Main Street was eerily quiet. Not even the water at Fountain Plaza was gushing. We both commented on how different it was to experience the weekend scene from that of a weekday. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to keep the fountains running seven days a week during the nice weather... it certainly would add a more welcoming vibe if they operated on weekends. Think of an out-of-towner's experience with all of the water features shut off (even if they are private). Downtown is not the same when they are 'down for the count'. It just reinforces what Hoss was saying - "Why head downtown when it appears closed? Or, why open downtown if there's no one there?"

Rock Harbor

What Others Have To Say

  1. strom903

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    Oct 2nd 2007, 09:08

    Put the cars back on Main if you noise and sucess. Maybe after the bridge is built.

  2. SLEEPL8

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    Oct 2nd 2007, 09:27

    Agreeing with what I think Storm is saying....Automobile traffic on Main is the first step necessary for change. I think the next step is get people...a lot of people...living on or near Main to provide a customer base for business. I disagree that this is a chicken or egg scenario. I think residents need to come first, then business can follow. I don't think retail will draw people down town but quality living spaces for a good price will. Once folks are living down there, retail, grocery, and restaurants will soon follow. Agree?

  3. comptart_lws

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    Oct 2nd 2007, 09:28

    what in heavens name makes you think that a bridge (for increased TRUCK capacity and easy access from US highways to CA highways) is going to make a bit of difference downtown? Please, enlighten me.

  4. BAEagen

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    Oct 2nd 2007, 10:58

    I'm sure I'll be corrected again, but I see the egg and chicken again. Everybody gets up in arms about all the parking around downtown, (or lack of) yet if people are going to move into downtown and take a chance on living in a relatively dead zone, instead of setting off on foot or bike for essentials, they still will need a car to buy groceries.

    I don't have the answers, but it surely seems that equal focus needs to be on living spaces and retail development in order to make downtown succeed. I personally wouldn't want to head to a 'boutique' market just to pick up a roll of toilet paper and laundry detergent.

  5. sbrof

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    Oct 2nd 2007, 11:42

    I don't think it is an issue for people to move into downtown even though it doesn't have all the amenities you could want. Often people choose to commute or drive to certain stores because of taste even if there is an easier more convenient one closer. Look at Tops vs Wegmans / Tim Hortons vs Dunkin Doughnuts as examples. Also look to history to help describe that people move places without the necessary conveniences close. The entirety of the inner ring suburbs were developed and built out without anything near them. Tonawanda, Cheektowaga parts of Amherst / West Seneca. After several decades and many many square miles of neighborhoods developed then we started to see the businesses follow. Sheridan, Union, Harlem, NF Boulevard all started to become commercial centers after much the area between them and the city were filled with people.

    People first, then businesses will follow. The more people living in downtown the better the city and region will be.

  6. sbrof

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    Oct 2nd 2007, 11:49

    As for the article I think that fountains and other amenities like that would add to the value and really help to make downtown nicer, even if empty. Look at the throngs of people that roam the streets looking for a nice place to relax in and around thursday in the square. We need benches, pocket parks, places that create a vibrancy which businesses would want to be near. Fountain plaza would if it could but the lights go off and the fountains shut down and it says that you should be home or someplace else than here.

    I totally disagree that traffic is going to help at all. That kind of noise does nobody any good. It is a nuisance more than a reason to be there. If traffic so so darn important to businesses how come most of the nicest cities have pedestrian streets and who neighborhoods. How come Washington, Ellicott, Huron, Mohawk, pearl, franklin, parts of Elmwood, Church Seneca, or the many many many other streets in downtown or the city are worse off than main.. but they ALL have tons of access to cars. I just don't buy that cars are going to do anything. I think Main street actually weathered the stagnation better than most streets in downtown because it was a nice pedestrian environment and highly transit accessible.

  7. MJWorthington

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    Oct 2nd 2007, 12:35

    I also think the Main St Pedestiran Mall is a wasted potential. Either car access or not would work if played to the advantages of each. When ever I have been to the PEdestian Mall in Ithaca it has always been full of people. What is the difference there?

    I think people living on Main is the first step to vitality regardless of if cars are there or not. I'd rather see all the money that would go to rip up the pedestrian mall and put in streets go to programs to encourage high density living options along Main st. similar to the 500 block project.

    I think the large passenger stations should be replaced regardless. They form walls up and down Main St and block off views such as Fountain Plaza etc...

  8. RisingDamp666

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    Oct 3rd 2007, 00:26

    Retail Downtown? Tell that to Los Angeles which gets its first downtown supermarket this year. Or Chicago which is begging retailers back to State St. Or any other major american city. Buffalo is not alone. And wer'e told to blame ourselves for "not patronizing downtown shops enough" or "not living in what little housing there is in downtowns". Bull! When auto makers saw to the end of mass transit and developers and their bankers rushed into the suburbs in search of cheap land and eager, deprived homeowners, THEY instituted the 'doughnut hole' paradigm that has kept retail out of even the most repopulated and reconstructed CBDs. You never had a choice, Wall Street made that choice for you. Reopen Main St to automobiles? for what? to reward the farsighted vision of surface lot owners? I'm not against the idea but bear in mind, cars move up and down Central Ave. in Phoenix and you still can't find a decent place to hang out there, much less shop.

  9. rickyrick

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    Oct 3rd 2007, 02:23

    It needs to be cleaned up, (the vacant buildings- some may get worked on according to a post from a few days ago on Main Street), have security (did you notice any COPS walking around on this eerie weekend walk? Market Downtown for what it currently has and take a few lessons from the Elmwood Villlage Association and have goals, marketing team, work together and be on the ball at all times to get things done instead of waiting for silver bullets.

  10. queenseyes

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    Oct 3rd 2007, 08:50

    There were no cops that I could see. Not to beat a dead horse, but if I had been in from out of town and had seen all of the fountains just turned off I would have wondered, "What on earth happened here?" The shutting off of the water features signaled to me that downtown was closed. It would have been comforting to know that even though there were no businesses open we were still welcome to be there.

  11. rickyrick

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    Oct 3rd 2007, 19:11

    I know how you feel, queenseyes. I too felt out of place every time I worked downtown on the weekends and walked along Main Street in it's eerrie quietness like a scene from 28 Days Later or Vanilla Sky.

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