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Buff State '95 here.... Hope they take credentials of the perspective applicants into consideration so they get the cream of the crop.

chris69, what with a those exclaimation points and caps, you could be confused with s KOS KID, please moderation it their use, thanks

10,000 applicants =/= 10,000 admitted =/= 10,000 attending

if the school just let in anyone with a pulse, then it could be 40,000 students, but it won't. It probably couldn't afford to if it wanted to. The reason that tuition is so cheap is because it's heavily subsidized by state taxpayer dollars. The more students admitted, the more taxpayer dollars needed to fund the school. Not a winning proposition if it only means cheap education for under qualified applicants

What shocks me is that we keep looking for signs of growth that could benefit our city and our community, then when we get them.....we remain silent.

Look at the post.....get your applications in early. The author never even posed the question why this local institution is not fulfilling its responsibilities to grow....get your applications in early.

Make a fake plan...the post says like UB and then ignore it. Again....we have an engine of growth that could not just double in size but could rival UB in size and create its own Centers for Excellence and incubators for small business.

Yet....the county executive is silent, the county legislature is silent, the mayor is silent, the city council is silent and the residents of Buffalo are silent. Honestly, if not a single voice demands growth and results its no wonder we never receive it.

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Ike, how completely niaive and simplistic of you to reduce it down to such moronic terms.

What is needed is a comparison between the taxpayer subsidy and the economic impact of the college on the community from housing to disposable income to teachers and faculty to research centers and centers for excellence.

I think that you would find that the economic impact of a 20k to 40k student body would more than justify whatever taxpayer subsidy that it receives.

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"Compared to University of Buffalo, Canisius College and the rest of the country, Buffalo State's tuition is not only reasonable, it is downright cheap with a cost of only $4,350 per year for in state residents. "

I hate to ran on this parade, but Buff State and UB cost the same amount in terms of tuition because they are both SUNY schools. Probably should have googled that first huh?

While I can't argue that a full Buff State is good for the city, UB does much more for Buffalo. Without UB, you don't have things like the affiliation with medical campus. UB produces many graduates who pursue medical and scientific careers in the area. The only thing Buff State produces is teachers.

Additionally, because UB is larger and although it is located in Amherst, plenty of UB students live in the city and there ARE plans for future developments in conjunction with the medical campus as well as south campus. UB is much more important to this region and city than Buff State.

lol i meant rain...

SteveP - I don't think anyone was comparing the size or economic impact of Buffalo State and UB. And besides, one's a university and the other is a college - no comparision.

UB formally announced yesterday the Architectural team chosen to design the master plan. I would hardly call that a lack of progress, or a "fake plan" - are you joking??? All one has to do it go to www.buffalo.edu for tuition amounts as well as the UB2020 master plan in full detail. Go see for yourselves, maybe you need an educational lesson before spouting off false statements. The fee for Fall 2007 undergraduate tution is $3,108.50. The idea is the same, public education is only a fraction of what it would cost to attend Canisius. UB costs around $2,000 more than Buff State per academic year, but considering the value of the education I thought it was well worth it.

Steve P, I am sorry to say I was dismayed by your comment, "The only thing Buff State produces is teachers." I felt it was quite an inappropriate and dismissive comment to make about teachers and the teaching profession.... not to mention inaccurate as well. To somehow believe that teachers are not as valuable an asset to our culture and community as medical and scientific professionals, is not only hurtful to anyone who teaches, and is not only an affront to every teacher who graduated from Buff state, but his highly narrow minded and regressive in thinking. May I ask you a question? Can you not recall one teacher in your past whom you looked up and have fond memories of an adult? We all had a teacher like that, and I am sure you are not an exception. One final question, .regarding the medical and scientific individuals whom you mentioned contribute much to our community, (which you observe correctly). From where did these bright men and women get their knowledge and inspiration to become doctors and scientists? (hint....probably a teacher). Do know I offer these comments respectfully and in a spirit of good will and good. I just want you to realize that teachers play a undisputed role in advancing our society and building the leaders of tomorrow. thanks.

do some reserach applejack....UB may charge more for additional fees, but the tuition is exactly the same because they are SUNY schools. I am upset at this article because it makes UB look like its expensive to go there when you actually are paying the same price. Don' you people google? It took probably 5 seconds.

Lorne, I'm not saying that teachers aren't important but schools producing well rounded teachers in New York State are easier to find than schools producing top notch scientists. My mother is a teacher and I do think that she does important work. One could easily get a Master's degree in teaching from UB, Buff State or even better, Fredonia. You are less likely to become successful in the medical and scientific fields with degrees from Buff State or Fredonia.

You people must have ADD! Either that or your complete idiots that cannot grasp the central point in a paragraph or two.

Your spending all your time comparing UB and Buffalo State which is stupid, then you dismissively say that their both state schools and UB is more important and should be the focus of our attention.

Well, let me respond by saying that the above is completely moronic. The state and our region have a responsibility to both schools. The easiest way to compare it is our neighbor Rochester: UofR and RIT where the UofR focuses on research, design, development while RIT focuses on technology and applications. Infact to a large extent UB is our equivalent research, design, development and Buffalo State should be focussing not just on teaching but on technology and applications in a complementary partnership with UB.

If UB announces a plan to grow by 30% over the next what 5+ years....from 25k to 35k, then should we expect any less committment from Buffalo State to grow from 11k to 20k or even 25k which in its own way is even more critical to local students and to the West Side/Black Rock, Grant, Forest and Amherst area.

In a city where we have seen declining employment, declining tax base, struggling companies, declining population, stagnant housing values, the loss of our children to other cities....we see that our local colleges are sought after and could explode in local growth.

What would Buffalo do to get another 1200 well paying jobs? Well adding 10,000 students is going to add atleast 1200 teachers and faculty!

We loose Barilla to Rochester...everyone is silent We loose Wacker Chemical because NYPA already committed 70MW of our power to downstate...everyone is silent Rochester adds one Center for Excellence a year in some adding 600 jobs....Buffalo is still on its first proclaiming they added 10

This is how incredibly complacent, myopic and utterly lost Buffalonians are regarding opportunity. When faced with 10,000 applications the title of this article is "get your applications in early" not "HIGHLY DESIRED BUFFALO STATE HAS POTENTIAL TO DOUBLE IN SIZE AND CREATE JOBS ON WESTSIDE"

WHY IS THAT?

WANT TO TALK ABOUT UPSTATE GROWTH.....WELL THIS IS ONE AREA WHERE BUFFALONIANS SHOULDNT BE SILENT ABOUT ALBANIES COMMITMENT TO OUR STATE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES. YET BUFFALONIANS REMAIN SILENT AND MORONIC AND IN A MORAISE!

Chris 69,

I agree that the region really should capitalize on its outstanding academic resources. The only problem is the lack of money provided by the state. UB usually gets enough money to build 1 new building each year or make significant improvements to its campus.

Comparing the two institutions in Rochester to UB and Buff State is like comparing apples to oranges. Albany can't just throw tons of money at the two schools in Buffalo because then other schools within the SUNY system would be demanding more money. Considering there are a lot of 2 and 4 year schools in NY, Albany won't risk throwing oodles of money into just 2 colleges,

well it was accidently entered in before i could finish....but let me just say private vs public. It would be great but unless the city provides more money for an expansion, Buff State and UB would be forced to use private money to expand.

Yeah, who cares about things like "quality of education", or "manageable class sizes" when you can just admit every drooling retard and swell teh school to gigantic proportions

Excelsior!

Wow.. just another enormous opportunity for advancement, job creation, and growth just sitting there wasting away. Hopefully NYS is getting the idea... "Buff STate is Full", well then make it bigger? Aren't they enlarging the campus with the richardson complex some how, is there really no growth plan?

BuffState.. not exactly Ivy league but not the school for rejects either IKE. If no tax funded tuitions for "all those underqualified" students.. umm then why subsidize any state school that has a pulse or lots of students?? b/c I really just hope you're joking b/c thats gotta be one of the most ignorant things i've heard.

Ya Steve P.. I think what this article is about is the fact that BuffState is full.. and I don't know if you know this but its not a good thing for a school or an area to turn away 10k prospective students b/c "we're full". If anything its about the lack of attention and development that the state and staff have paid to the needs of the univ.

"I can't argue that a full BuffState would be good for the city..."... STeve P would you prefer it be empty??? Must be a typo, students are money. I'll just pretend you didn't say that. Ub does do much more for the area and in my opinion has a realistic, achievable growth plan that will do wonders for the area. Theres no question that its the premier educational instiution in the area, but what would happen if we had two high quality educational behemoths... one suburban.. one urban.. both creating jobs??

Steve is right about BuffSTate being the "teacher school"... hate to say it but its true.. if that place is ever going anywhere it needs to broaden its programs and strengthen its curriculum.

I'd like to see some sort of regional education program where all the schools in the area partnered up and organized their resources with BuffState and UB leading the way strictly due to size.

And again.. SteveP did you just move here or something..

"Comparing the two institutions in Rochester to UB and Buff State is like comparing apples to oranges. Albany can't just throw tons of money at the two schools in Buffalo because then other schools within the SUNY system would be demanding more money. Considering there are a lot of 2 and 4 year schools in NY, Albany won't risk throwing oodles of money into just 2 colleges".

The money's out there buddy.. Albany is exactly popular b/c of their slim budgets with no frills.. you ever want BuffState to be something you've gotta ask for the cash??? Other schools will ask for money as well.... but they call that politics!!

Its a common practice thats been around since the Romans have dood...I mean you're a buffaloanian, you should know a thing or two about politics?

Chris69, you really sum it up best.. Buffaloanians are blind to opportunity!!! Buff is just another diamond in the ruff..

Steve and Ike....Albany keeps saying they want to do something for Buffalo....well this is something they could do for Buffalo and if Albany doesnt want to grow UB and Buffalo State then buy them out and privatize them as private colleges!

BUFFALO IS UNDER-INVESTED! PERIOD! and its about time we take the areas where we are guarranteed success and demand money to support their growth. UB and Buffalo State and even ECC downtown campus are such investments!

ok....so now where is that african american patronage quota president of Buffalo State? What does she have to say about why she has refused to ask for the money from albany, refused to plan for Buffalo States growth, refused to expand programs, refused to do her job!

I agree with a lot of what people are saying but as a Canisius student I should point out that it costs so much money because it is worth it. And yes UB, Canisius, Buff State, should be working together on research in the medical district and other projects. UB and Canisius both have amazing science programs and I’m sure Buff State does too but I’m just not educated on the school. Any who like so many have said before me, local universities should be working together not against each other

I've been here my entire life and I'm pretty sure I understand the crunch that colleges like UB and Buff State face. Because they are part of the SUNY system, they are hindered by the other schools in the system. Remember, the point of SUNY is to provide a low cost and quality college education to residents of New York State. The system isn't soley in place to help Buffalo and its colleges grow. If Buffalo gets tons of money, what about Binghamton and Brockport and Potsdam? They need to fund these schools too to create a well rounded educational network for everyone, not just for the benefits of Buffalonians.

In order for Buff State and UB to expand (UB already is planning massive expansion) two things need to be done. First, they need to create a better relationship with the community, much like UB's presence in the medical community and Buff State's presence in the classroom. Secondly, they need to garner more money in private and public donations. UB just secured nearly 500,000 from the Robert Morris for a sports facility that expanded the football facilities. These are the kinds of things that UB and Buff State need.

Chris, I agree that UB and Buff State are underinvested, but I really think you should read UB 20/20 to understand the magnitude of their plans. It's quite impressive.

Andrew, You are exactly right. All the schools in Western New York need to work together. I know that when I was at UB I wasn't really encouraged or presented with the opportunity to take a class at a different school or grab books from their library. We did have Inter Library Loan but that was about the extent of it. If Buffalo area schools created a consortium like the schools in DC have where you can take classes anywhere for credit, it would strengthen the educational oppportunities in the region.

The bottom line concern in this post is Buffalo State turning away 10,000 students per year. Lets say each student spends $300 per month for housing, $500 per month for food (excluding bar tab)...lets say minimum $1,000 per month per student at 12 months per year...thats $12,000 x 10,000 students thats $120,000,000 BARE MINIMUM excluding tuition and books and other necesities.

So lets see a minimum economic impact of $120 million So lets see an increase in teachers, faculty and administration of 1200 jobs minimum

THATS NOTHING TO PISS AWAY!

Now lets look at the other economic impact of $120,000 and an increase of 10,000 students: -Grant Street would be a walkable college strip -Westside and Black Rock housing values would rise and so would the availability of tenants -the economic impact could stretch all the way to Niagara Street! -expansion of business incubators -expansion of programs

THIS IS NOTHING TO PISS AWAY!

and if Niagara Street grew to 20k o 30k then there could even be a light rail extension to Niagara Street not just serving Buffalo State but HealthNow, Richs, Contract Pharmaceuticals, Buffalo State, GM Powertrain, Dupont, Dunlop and the new Riverside industrial Park.

and do you know what some genius had the nerve to brag to me about! They said Buffalo State was planning a new sports stadium! ERRHHMM LET ME CLEAR MY THROAT FOR THIS! AND WHAT EXACTLY IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT AND PERMANENT JOB CREATION OF A SPORTS STADIUM!!!!!

Well the only probably is that a college doesn't admit all that apply. There need to be a selection process to knock out at least 75% of the applicants. Buff State isn't ECC. Other than that I think you comments are spot on.

midwest, on the contrary...if you read the article...you would have noticed that many of the applicants came from downstate where the cost of living and going to school is inexorbitantly higher if not prohibitive so you are incorrect that we would be robbing students from other local colleges. INFACT IT MAY BE THE OPPOSITE WHERE DOWNSTATE APPLICANTS ARE CROWDING OUT LOCAL APPLICANTS!

and I do not agree that Buffalo State has to refuse 75% of the applicants in order to maintain some statistic of exclusivity. Buffalo is NOT Yale or Harvard...when you look at the cheeky monkeys that are teaching some courses then Buffalo State may have a tougher time than say ECC in recruiting quality professors but certainly not overwhelmingly or significantly more difficult.

Certainly Buffalo State could and should grow by 30% or more just like UB!

Buffalo State was once a fine Teachers College, but is now just a run-of-the-mill institution. To see the true economic impact of this school, please come and have a look at the surrounding area. Grant Street, Forest Ave, Hoyt, Baynes, Parkdale, Bird, Potomac, lower Amherst, Rees - all declining or in full-blown Slum status. The area has become a haven for drug dealers and their scummy customers, in the past few years. The professors and students almost all live well AWAY from the neighborhood, which is why there are such traffic jams when classes are in session. Renting an apartment as "Buffalo State Area!" is almost impossible, these days.

Maybe (just maybe) if Buff State could return to its status as a well-respected training center for teachers, it could regain its importance. I had friends come from many different states to study here, unti it was converted to a generic everything-for-everyone waste of space.