Buffalo Development: It's Time For Change

Buffalo Development: It's Time For Change

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Submitted by Wendes Jones who is currently rehabbing a series of properties on Wadsworth.

Calling all Contractors, Developers, Rehabbers, All who are interested in the future of our wonderful buildings and housing stock that so define this beautiful city. Want your voice to be heard by the officials in charge of Plan Review, Permitting, Inspections?

We have a small window of time allotted to address the Commissioner and Department Chiefs of this sector of city government and desire to make the most of it.

My own experience has been unpleasant at best. I’ve heard from many others of similar or even worse struggles. Let’s join together, form a manageable agenda, and present a unified reasonable voice-of-the-people face to the people hired by us to manage these municipal functions.

While it is important to fully express the unreasonable reality of the current permitting process, the idea here is not to rehash individual mistreatment but, rather, to devise concrete steps that can become solutions for all of us.

We want to make a difference but require your support. We’re meeting at 23 Wadsworth Sunday morning at 10:30am to discuss. The issues will be presented to City Hall later in the week. Stop by before the parade!

For further information, please send an email here. Or leave suggestions in the following thread.

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What Others Have To Say

  1. HarveyAGarrett

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    Mar 14th 2008, 15:29

    Hey Wendes,

    We met when the Preservation Board came to your properties a few weeks ago. What a great project. I'll try to stop by on Sunday.

    Harvey

  2. benfranklin

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    Mar 14th 2008, 15:43

    This seems like a worthwhile endeavour. A couple points. First, anything that makes it more of a collaborative process would help. At least in my experience, it seems like your treated like you've done something wrong, before you've done anything. Secondly, anything that takes some of the 'surprise' out of a project would be beneficial. For example, if you buy a double at auction, and the current build does not match the plans on hand at the city, how is this supposed to be resolved? Because there are so many unknowns, it increases the risk of a project, and drives down the amount of money a developer can risk on a project.

    Good luck with this.

  3. Biniszkiewicz

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    Mar 14th 2008, 15:53

    I posted something, but it evaporated. Here it is again.

    The City of Buffalo takes far longer to approve any construction proposal than the burbs do. Walk into any suburban town hall, ask for an outline of the permit process and you will get clear cut, simple instructions coupled with a clearly defined time table. Not so with Buffalo. As a real estate guy, I've often heard of extraordinary delays in Buffalo and never ever hear of 'easy' approval for city projects.

    But the one aspect of Buffalo construction which frosts me the most is the licensing of contractors. Buffalo is by far the most difficult and expensive local municipality in which to obtain and maintain any trade license (electrical, plumbing, etc.). Most small contractors avoid the city like the plague for this reason (too easy to work in the burbs, too expensive and difficult to work in the city, so they avoid the city). The city claims its expensive, onerous licensing practices are the best protection for Buffalo consumers, but the opposite is true. In practice, the city's bureaucratic hassles and expense only serve to protect the unionized large contractors at the expense of smaller providers.

    My electrician is licensed in half a dozen local municipalities. When working in Buffalo, he has to work under a friend's company (his friend inspects the job, pulls the permit, deals with the city, etc. My guy returns the favor when his buddy needs to work in a burb where my guy holds a license). Plumbers, electricians, etc., should not have to maintain a dozen or more individual licenses to work in one market (Erie County, for example). Licensing of the trades should be a statewide, or at the minimum County wide proposition. Buffalo's licensing process and expense are especially onerous. They drive away competition, drive up prices and fuel underground (often shoddy) work as property owners seek respite from the extreme cost of doing business in the city of Buffalo.

    There should be two paths to reform: the immediate and then the longer term: First, make the licensing process within Buffalo competitive from the standpoint of cost and difficulty with the suburbs. That's the start. Next, cooperate with our neighboring municipalities to develop one regional licensing process for the trades. Only then will competition from numerous smaller providers result in aid for Buffalo property owners seeking reasonable costs.

  4. jstraubinger

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    Mar 14th 2008, 15:57

    I suggest that you try getting in touch with Jad Cordes of Integrated Realty and Development Corporation located at 11 Summer St. Their main phone number is 716 883 - 5070. The reason that I'm suggesting him is that he was head of a Buffalo Niagara Partnership committee that worked on reforming the City of Buffalo Permit Process for a number of years.

  5. al-alo

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    Mar 14th 2008, 16:00

    creating and collecting a master list of reforms, recomendations and practices is a good idea - but could this be taken to the next level?

    is there a need for a progressive developer/contrator/rehabber coalition to advocate for smarter permitting, development and housing regulations and urban planning? could there be a number of partnership opportunities?

    is there one already?

    id join.

  6. MichaelB

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    Mar 14th 2008, 17:09

    benfranklin

    Decrease the risk of having poor or NO information by hiring an architect to verify the existing conditions, soup to nuts. Then also retain them for the necessary or desired improvments and renovations.

    The city will then have an updated set of drawings for at least the existing home/building, available on file for later or immediate imrpovements. This should help the process for review as well when the actual refurbishing begins.

    An architect working in the city of Buffalo will also know the work involved to get the review process flowing more effieciently, whereby providing the necessary information all up front instead of waiting for the request for info from the city.

    I am stating all of these things becuase there are architects interested in this work, and somehow we were left out of the main articles' invite for Sunday - I'm sure architects would be welcome though.

  7. sbrof

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    Mar 14th 2008, 17:15

    We also need to make sure that during this process we don't pander too much to the developers desires. Often they are more than willing to cut corners and safety to save a buck. We don't want to be exactly like the suburbs with new homes cracking and people dying in fires (Rosa's) because we want to be easier for development.

    I totally agree that there are many many places to improve the process, that example about contractor licensing is ridiculous. Stuff like that should be state wide. We have a state license for architecture, a state building code... why shouldn't the people excepted to actually build and follow those laws be state wide. But we shouldn't just try to speed up a process that would leave us looking in hindsight wishing we could have done a better review of this or that because now there are families of dead people looking to sue the city for negligence.

    What we really need to do is separate out the politics from the development. Politicians are NOT planners, they are NOT architects, they are NOT developers. They are not the ones that should be left to make these types of decisions. Why we allow this is annoying. They have trained professionals on staff but for some reason they don't need to listen to them but a part of that problem is each admin just appoints yes men to these positions which compromises the judgment of the whole process.

  8. DanielSack

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    Mar 14th 2008, 17:43

    Great point sbrof.

    Also remember that architects are not planners, developers are not planners, developers are not architects.

    "Yes people" abound in City Hall. How else would they get their jobs?

  9. JAL

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    Mar 14th 2008, 18:49

    I think the idea is great. I am currently employed and have a finance degree and invest in real estate in the city. I am looking to transition my career into real estate development and would be interested in being contacted by anyone who sees a need for an ambitious individual who is very capable and eager to learn. If nothing else, could I participate in the group and be active?

  10. AtwaterLouse

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    Mar 14th 2008, 19:05

    Just a thought: If the executive branch bureaucrats are resistant to changes, to say the least, have you also considered trying to work with the Common Council to legislate some changes into law? Probably many aspects will always be left to decisions of mayoral appointees and civil servants, but maybe there's at least a few things that legislation could force to happen in terms of opening up the processes or consolidating some of the hoops that need to be jumped through.

  11. pgf1948

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    Mar 14th 2008, 19:34

    Look around at the rest of America. Is that what you want for Buffalo? Come on! Is that what you REALLY want for Buffalo?

    Of course, the whole process is insanity. Developers run rough shod in almost every place over citizens and government, and then complain about the "difficulty of doing business" in _________ you add the place name. Doesn't really matter. Taxes, government procedures, insufficient incentives (like no truly-fair commercial-property taxes for 10 years-- by which time they've long moved on to "greener" pastures).

    This country has become a joke. So over-rated in every way. and so obsessed with telling itself every day how special it is. Buffalo is just a much a patsy as the idiotic area in which I live.

  12. platt4

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    Mar 14th 2008, 19:37

    Can anyone name one Council-led initiative that was worthwhile in recent years?

    Score: 1500 Resolutions and Certificates of Appreciation, ZERO programs with positive results.

  13. benfranklin

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    Mar 14th 2008, 20:52

    MichaelB, for a well structured traditional real estate transaction, your approach is best. Unfortunately, many transactions of small properties don't give the opportunity for this type of due dilligence. Many are short notice auctions, or other distressed sales, where not as much time or information is available. For others... well, witness the guy on this site trying to give property away.... when the end result of a project has such low value, I understand an architect should play a role, but I'm not sure there's enough value in alot of these projects to warrant the cost.

  14. MRodgers

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    Mar 15th 2008, 08:59

    [latt4, there have been some interesting resolutions that were adopted and put into law (ie: Lodging House Legislation). However, the downfall is the responsible department's ability or desire to enforce these revamped ordinances. Additionally, the promotion of said ordinances and other programs is lackluster, to say the least. No one knows what they are or if any has been enacted, including residents who can assure if an ordinance is not being followed. If these new or revamped ordinances are promoted to ALL citizens, we have a solid checks and balances throughout the city.

    Re: permits, inspections - another lackluster performance level here with one department not knowing what the other is doing or not caring enough to enforce the actual conditions on licenses and/or looking away when these conditions need to be met.

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