Visit This Park And Play 'Frogger' At The Same Time.

Visit This Park And Play 'Frogger' At The Same Time.

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After posting on a possible future park at the corner of Niagara and Lafayette last week I decided to take spend some time visiting a park near Dunn Tire Park yesterday. The land is bounded by North Division and South Division and was most likely, at one time or another, a very nice place to visit. I have a feeling that the neighbors that surround the block are just one of the reasons that this park was allowed to decay, and as far as I know there are no plans to spruce it up unless ECC somehow shines a light on it. By neighbors I mean a bus terminal that already ate up part of the park for parking its buses, and the sprawling parking lot between East Eagle and N. Division, and a massive parking garage to the north.

Not only are there a lack of people-populating structures nearby, N & S Division are like freeways with four auto lanes to get cars as quickly as possible to The Skyway and the Thruway. Unfortunately that plan left the district less-than-desirable for residential and commercial purposes. I guess if the old Post Office And Federal Building had not been such a magnificent building (and had the word federal attached to it), it too would have faced the same demise as the surrounding blocks.

parkwerferf-1.jpg The park is left with a non-functioning cubist water fountain, a bunch of broken park benches, and a paisley-looking bus parking lot. Not the nicest of areas, unless your looking for a quiet place to take a nap after a long night. It is unfortunate that this park was subjected to the progress of the automobile - buses and cars certainly rule the roost in this section of downtown. Now that ECC is expanding downtown, and the Seneca Paper Building is being renovated, and Globe Market, Chop-Chop, The Webb, Pearl Street Brew Pub, the Maritime Museum, Soundlab, Dunn Tire Park... in other words, businesses and people are starting to re-populating the area. Maybe it's time to clean up and repair this existing park.

(The continued photo shows the extension of the park to the west, intersected by Washington Street. That section of the park is better off due to its proximity to Main Street, the Ellicott Square Building, etc.) Below is the overview of its length - notice the bus parking lot towards the bottom. parkwfewrffer.jpg

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  1. hamp

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    Oct 7th 2007, 11:40

    This site presents many opportunities for a nice design.

    Montreal has a great linear park runnng along a stretch of their downtown. It has nice pavement, benches, street lamps, and water features that seem to atttract a lot of people. It would be nice to get funds to have a new plan done, perhaps with a design competition.

  2. WCPerspective

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    Oct 7th 2007, 12:02

    Back in 1989, Philly-based developer Oliver Tyrone Pulver proposed a $55 million, 360,000 sq.ft. office building for this site. Joan Bozer and others moaned over the loss of 'green space.' The DOT wasn't willing to declare the site 'surplus.' Pulver shifted plans for the highrise to the Courtyard Mall site further up Main Street. In the end, the developer wasn't able to sign an anchor tenant, let its purchase option expire, and left town without building a thing.

    If money and buying property wasn't an issue...the site should be developed and a new park built between ECC and the Ellicott Square Bldg.

  3. RaChaCha

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    Oct 7th 2007, 12:07

    I agree with hamp about the need for a good rethink of this area, and Queenseyes' list of what's going on nearby provides good justification for why. A good redesign strikes me as a good project candidate for New York State intermodal funds (accessible through state legislators).

    As to playing Frogger, I've often had to do that in this area. It's especially challenging when leading a "Downtown Revealed" architecture tourgroup through. As tourguide, I know how those ducks feel who you occasionally see trying to safely get their hatchlings across a busy road...

    BTW, it would be interesting to know a bit more about the history of the park and the design, sculptures, etc. When taking tour groups through, it's all in such an embarrassing state that I pretty much try to distract attention from it by talking about something else.

  4. WCPerspective

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    Oct 7th 2007, 12:12

    Wasn't there a donor that was willing to spend money on park improvements recently? I think it was something to do with creating a cancer memorial.

  5. nyc

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    Oct 7th 2007, 12:18

    The third image is nearly a direct view down Erie Street between the sandstone spire and the red brick building to its left. That should be the new gateway to the waterfront with a reconstructed Erie Street radial avenue that links to the outer harbor with a lift bridge over the Buffalo River. It is really only way to tie waterfront access and the outer harbor directly into the heart of downtown. Of course it involves removing the skyway but that then creates developable parcels lining Erie Street. This would add more significance to this collection of parks...

  6. RaChaCha

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    Oct 7th 2007, 12:29

    NYC: interesting comment, and I agree. The master's thesis of a recent grad from the UB planning school (now working in RaChaCha) was a proposal to re-open Erie Street to traffic between Main Street and the waterfront.

  7. rickyrick

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    Oct 7th 2007, 13:25

    This park was created in the early 70's after a long run as a surface lot due to "potential development" that never came. It would be nice to see this park and the green space west of it be spruced up and re-designed, sidewalks near the streets (more pedestrian friendly)

  8. Denizen

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    Oct 7th 2007, 14:48

    In an urban setting, parks themselves don't attract people. There needs to be a heavy amount of aggregate pedestrian activity in the immediate vicinity for a downtown park or square to be lively. Otherwise its deadness is a mere reflection of of the lack of activity on the surround streets. This is usually the case in the vestigial downtowns of declining cities.

    If the blocks of Main st nearby this site were lined with lots of shops then I'd see a justification to pour money into beautifying this park. Otherwise, if fixed up now, the park becomes nothing more than an aesthetically pleasing campground for vagrants.

  9. chris69

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    Oct 7th 2007, 15:09

    I think the skyway access ramp needs to go....along with the removal of the skyway

    but I also think that the exit from the Niagara Expresway at the Adams Mark/HealthNow location should be removed (let them use the Virginia Exit)

    how do we get rid of the elm oak arterial?

    and I think we need to focus less on parks and more on infill density of our downtown.

    How do we get office buildings and commercial buildings built?

    How do we expand our downtown northwest along Niagara, southwest along Ohio, South Park, Ganson & Furhmann Boulevard?

    How do we get our downtown to expand east?

    How do we get formerly closed streets reconstructed and reopened?

    These are our urban issues....certainly not parks!

  10. AtwaterLouse

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    Oct 7th 2007, 15:34

    That's another example of my point that parks we have are not taken care of, and why as a shrinking city who had a lot of very nice parks built in its hey days, at this point Buffalo should not be adding any new parks. Yes they're nice well-intentioned feel-good things, but they're luxuries at best and usually are not well taken care of over time so in many cases they eventually become negatives (as Denizen explains better than I can). With that particular one, I'd say remove the fountain at this point because its an embarassing eye sore and otherwise just try to keep it looking decent. All potential "park funding" from Sam or other Santa Clauses for newly brainstormed parks should instead be directed toward basic decent upkeep our existing parks, pools, and playgrounds.

  11. Blymi

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    Oct 7th 2007, 17:02

    Frogger? There isn't a car or anything with 5000 yards of this pedestrian. He could probably set up a picnic lunch on the double yellow lines without being interrupted during his meal.

    It doesn't matter what you do to this park, it will still be infested with the poor, the homeless, the junkies, and the sex predators that live in the near by half-way houses. The police turn a blind eye to this park because it keeps the miscreants and other societal scumbags away from the college students and business people.

    The fountain is amazing when it is running, but it has been out of service for well over a decade. I believe that it is now functioning as a urinal / toilet for the park residents.

    I agree with Chris69. We should close off the exit ramps, tear down the Skyway and the Thruway between Ogden Street and Sheridan Drive. Close the 33 and revamp the Kensington, Main Street, Oak, etc. Stop making it easy for the holier than thou suburbanites to make their way into the city. Let them be inconvenienced for the welfare and public good of the City. It will force more of them to move into mixed use residential buildings, force more of them to abandon their 3 car lifestyle, and will move more of them into the city. But they will have to move in on our terms. The city is not an extension of the suburbs, it is supposed to be the other way around.

  12. STEEL

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    Oct 7th 2007, 17:21

    The bus turn around did not take up part of the park. It was created for this purpose when North and South Divisions streets were created. The park also was never surface parking. It was built at the end of the sixties as park of a massive downtown redevelopment and reconfiguration. It was thought in those days that massive roadway type projects mixed with "green Space" would solve every problem. Many many dense blocks of aging dark buildings were cleared for this "Park"

  13. brokeleg

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    Oct 7th 2007, 18:08

    Blymi- As an ECC student I play frogger at this "park" three times a week. It can get pretty crazy walking from school to the train staion and vice versa. N & S Division streets could certainly stand to be narrowed, if thats a word. Some students lovingly refer to this strip of land as "Sketchball Park" This whole area needs to be more ped friendly. The Oak-Elm arterial should be removed, all the suburban office parks within destroyed, and each street narrowed to two lanes. That way downtown will have plenty of shovel ready space for new, more URBAN development.

  14. georgethomasapfel

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    Oct 7th 2007, 19:38

    This was on the east side of Shelton Square before the massive downtown redevelopment project of the late '60's, when Robert Moses Mentality prevailed and the square was pretty much chopped up. Do an Google image search on "Shelton Square" and you'll see what the area looked like before this all happened.

  15. microparkJay

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    Oct 7th 2007, 20:01

    Don't forget our proposed Skate Park!

  16. STEEL

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    Oct 7th 2007, 21:16

    check out this earlier BRO story

    http://buffalorising.com/story/urban_vistas_2_urban_view_rene

  17. RisingDamp666

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    Oct 7th 2007, 21:38

    This sad little park is just a wilted sprig of parsley garnishing an empty plate of failed Urban Renewal. If Buffalo were finally de-thruwayed, the site could be redeveloped all kinds of ways. Given the prestigious neighbors, it is actually an incomparable location. Therefore: Hotel, Hotel, Hotel.

  18. AtwaterLouse

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    Oct 7th 2007, 23:00

    Don't forget our proposed Skate Park!

    Fewer residents (still fewer gainfully employed residents), fewer houses (still fewer occupied houses), fewer jobs, smaller tax base, fewer schools, fewer churches, fewer police stations, fewer fire stations, fewer strong neighborhoods, fewer hospitals, fewer safe streets we can walk on after dark… but… let's... propose... more… parks! They won't have to be well maintained, as this article points out, but let's add more parks! Feels great! Wo-hooo! Thank you Santa Sam and Santa Antione!

  19. RisingDamp666

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    Oct 8th 2007, 16:39

    Every city needs a specialty park dedicated to a particular sort of public nuisance that needs to be quarantined, or ghettoized. How about a taggers park? Or a wino park? Or maybe a park soley dedicated to urination and/or defecation..oops, then again, that's every park. People don't use parks because they fear the odd Riff Rraff that hang out in parks. The odd Riff Raff find a comfortable refuge in parks because they don't have to worry about confrontations with the people who avoid parks. This stuff feeds on itself.

  20. Frankster

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    Oct 8th 2007, 20:32

    This park is dead not only because of the lack of street-level activity adjacent to it, it is also dead because it is an island between multi-lane traffic, as Queenseyes points out. To use this park, you have to deliberately cross scary traffic. Once you get across, there are access points only at the four corners and even those paths are obsured by trees No sidewalks border it. That is a clear Go Away signal.

    How many people would use Lafayette Square if you couldn't walk into it from any point on its edges, if it was not lined by sidewalks, or if it lacked clear sightlines from every direction?

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