A Wee Bit Bigger With Loft Like Excitement

BRO submission by Roger Schroeder:
Having built a new tiny house on the corner of Ashland and Bryant I could not help but be fascinated with the complete gutting and re-visioning of a small fire damaged "cottage" down the street on Ashland.
While it's not Wee by my standards, it is small (at 1800 square feet) by new construction standards and certainly compact, fitting on a small lot while still leaving plenty of room for gardens and yard. This new house is a great example of the possibilities for great city living. The interior offers the kind of experience found in our city's newest lofts, inserted in the walkable Elmwood Village. While not having a front porch might be criticized by urbanists, the mostly glass front still offers a lot of interaction to the streetscape.
In all it is great prototype for those looking at infill or major rehabilitation projects.
P.S. For those not interested in a "project" this house is for sale.


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MEC
I would definitely fall down those stairs
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DanielSack
Looks very nice.
Lack of railings on the stairs is a clear building code violation and dangerous too.
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urbansoul
Watch out for the stairs.....they'll get ya.
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phrank
Are we really going to criticize the railings?!? That's all we can come up with?
Where's a picture of the front of the house? This looks like a place I'd live in in a second.
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rogerschroeder
About those railings.... the house is not occupied (being lived in ), this was just gathering to show friends and neighbors what thing looked like. The owner tells me railings are coming soon.
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buffaloweiner
Its proof that many of Buffalo's homes can either be restored to period or gutted into an open floor plan for contemporary/modern.
My hope is that Buffalo gets on the bandwagon with microturbines and heat pumps.
Heat pumps can save 30-50% in HVAC costs, then add a wind turbine to generate electricity and you can save on lighting your home or business.
The problem is intelligence and money. Even if Buffalonians have money, many do not have the intelligence to embrace such technology. Even if Buffalonians have the interest and intelligence, many do not have the money.
I reallize not everyone was lucky enough to have a father, those many who had a father didnt have a father that regardless of education knew how to use a hammer because for those who are handy....remodelling a home need not be a hugely expensive endeavor.
Tearing down a non-bearing wall is easy putting in kitchen cabinets from Mr. 2nds which actually has some nice units is easy pre-manufactured wood flooring today can be gotten at Mr. 2nds and done inexpensively
The only things I recommend hiring are roofing, gutters, electricity, plumbing and anything involving a load bearing wall. Pay the money and get it done correctly and skimp on the things that can be done by hand.
We can rebuild Buffalo into a shining example of classic, traditional, period, contemporary and modern. Buffalo is 60% empty so there is plenty of room to infill with contemporary/modern....and if we preserve/restore our post civil war (1870+) to pre WWII (-1945) then we can have some wonderful dynamism....infact, we can have some of the greenest and most dynamic urban environments in the northeast/great lakes barring but a few.
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Quijibo
Buffalo is 60% empty? That is a staggering figure given the number of residents who are homeless or stuck in rentals that offer subhuman conditions.
I agree that geothermal heating and cooling is an underutilized resource in the area. So is solar energy.
This project is a great accomplishment for all involved. I love the deck and outside sitting area. The trees are a nice touch as well.
1800 square feet is more than ample for any family. We are too greedy as a country. The average american house is 2600 square feet, with at least 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, and a two car garage. This footprint is too big for the average 3 - 4 person family and is completely unnecessary.
The new american ideal is to keep it small and environmentally acceptable. This is our responsibility to our children. Our children need to learn to be more responsible and morally conscious than we were when we were their age. We are too driven by greed and status to give up some of the unnecessary things in life.
We should all aim for the middle class ideal. This is the middle path of ideals where no person is better or worse than any other person. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
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buffaloweiner
I have a different take Quijibo...
I dont buy into global warming or that a house is to big (though I hate big SUVs and Vans and Trucks ... secretly wanting to drive them off the road, not yield to them or flatten their tires/scratch their paint LOL only partly because soldiers died for those 5 mpg pigs but also because huge vehicles are the bullies of the road intimidating everything smaller to give them the right of way)
Anyway...I digressed....people should think less about size and more about efficiency.
A property owner that spends their money on microturbines, heat pumps, insulation, windows, flash water heater, etc...is going to get more...bang out of their buck.
For example we have the technology today to make a 50mpg hybrid, a 50mpg diesel or a 50 mpg high compression gas or ethanol engine (aka turbo). People dont may have to give up SUVs, Vans, Trucks but they dont need to give up sport cars and luxury cars.
I agree 1800 is more than enough for most....but Ive been in large homes that have a crappy floor plan and Ive been in 1200 sqft homes that are open and cozy...and so well designed they are as good as 1800.
As I said...its not the car..but the efficiency of the car. Its not the sqft of the home but the efficiency and utilization of the home/business that you have.
Lastly, there are very few Buffalo businesses and home owners that understand the savings that could effect their day to day expenses if they just paid alittle attention to how they invest/spend their money on efficiency/utilitzation.
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gaustad
HOW MUCH?
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buffaloed
I have seen this house before the fire, after the fire, and now in it's newest form. I am really excited about the contemporary feel brought on by whoever remodeled this property. This can be just one of the shining examples that people wanting to live in the city don't have to settle for a painted lady or plain-jane flat. There is another property just south of this one on Ashland which is also, full of glass and stunning- and lets not forget about the cute little red and steel house on Ashland and Bryant.
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JustAnotherGuyWithAnOpinion
Karl Marx, huh? The citizens of Buffalo deserve exactly the fate that they are suffering.
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JustAnotherGuyWithAnOpinion
Meaning, business flight, economic stagnation, decay, fast-shriking city status, inability to keep young professionals. I say that because in my experience, that whole 'the other guy needs to pay up, and pay my way while he's at it' philosophy is endemic up there. (I forgot - 'poorest cities' status too. Of course it's poor because someone else is rich - it's always about the other guy's fault rather than dealing with your own needs truthfully, directly and honestly. Folks could start by admitting that self interest and self-direction drives business, and business creates jobs, and interfering with the self-directed business dynamic and creating a nanny state in its place destroys business motivation and subsequently drives away jobs) Sorry for the rant, get a bit frothy when reading quotes from Karl Marx like “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” which so oh so erudite and civilized. Remember no one has figured out how to make that lofty stuff work without turning into a thug state, which is in effect what the political climate of New York has turned into, by the way.
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Bufago
$300,000+
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onestarmartin
great space...love the clean lines
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fredrico
Roger,at
I have wanted to see what the inside of your place looks like because I may be buying a carriage house that is only about 650 sq feet and have struggled with what I would do with it.
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Keith
It should be bigger and have an SUV parked beside it. :)
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wizardofza
JustAnotherGuyWithAnOpinion, you still afraid teh commies are gonna come along and pee on your lawn?
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al-alo
justanotherguy,
didnt most of northern & western europe make that socialist stuff work without turning into a thug state? just saying.
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sonyactivision
Imagine all those telescoping houses in the east side that everyone disparages redone like this. And one wouldn't have to be so arch about the 'green' aspects or the wonderful, high styling of this knockout. This really proves that almost any kind of house or structure can be transformed into something liveable and viable. Look around, Buffalo is an endless field of opportunity.
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buffaloweiner
al-alo, the reason northern and western europe can have a socialist state is because the United States military is paying to defend Western Europe, Southern Europe, NorthernEurope and Eastern Europe plus Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, the Carribean, Mexico and Central America, Israel and a host of middle eastern countries.
Europe hasnt had to spend a fair share of its military budget on armements, troops, or national security...they couldnt even handle the balkans...and they cant even handle protecting their borders from immigrants much less nuclear missiles or an attack from Russia.
So please dont compare...Europe has been sucking from the teets of the US since WWII.
And as far as NY is concerned, its the downstate communists and socialists that are both controlling upstate politicians and institutions under a cloak of regional control and unfunded mandates....forcing upstate to pay cost of living buracracy that only downstate can afford.
As an example, the metropolitan bond forced taxes upon upstate for nyc subways. What did upstate get....a new bus!
Another example...the nys senate task force on high speed rail which taxes all of nys for high speed rail initiatives but where is the money spend? 99% is spent downstate.
ask the Greater Buffalo Niagara Regional Transportation Authority or the NFTA who they report to, who commands them, etc. They wont tell you their a regional organization prioritizing local high priority projects for albany...they will tell you albany is directing them what projects albany thinks are good for Buffalo-Niagara and WNY.
talk about unfunded mandates....do you know why we have somuch government in nys and particularly in upstate....because downstate issues aid in the form of matching funds. That means if you want aid and jobs, then in order to get your 50% or 75% matching funds in state aid...then you have to have the buracracy and pay for those services out of local taxes or lose the state aid. Its an incentive based unfunded mandate.....and in many cases there is no choice is providing the service even though albany will only pay a fraction of its cost.....a perfect example is medicaid.
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gaustad
if this house is really listed for 300k plus, it is a rip off
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Quijibo
Buffaloweiner - I believe that you are on the cusp of an intellectual revelation as soon as you free yourself from the shackles of American thought.
America does not need the huge military machine that we all pay for. America is not under the threat of attack, yet we have the largest military of any country in the world. Why, you might ask? For aggression of course. What you refer to as policing is really the policing of thought.
We use our military for imperialistic purposes. We use our military to bully other countries into seeing things our way. We continue to amass tanks and planes in the way that a bully builds his muscles. We display our show of force on the weakest, letting the others know not to try to challenge.
We do not need the military that we have, we are leading the parade in terms of military size, other countries are building their arsenals to protect themselves from us, it is not the other way around.
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flyguy14222
Did gaustad's infinite wisdom bring him/her to that conclusion? Obviously do not know the area.
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crisa
Buffalo is definately going to the lofts.
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knock_knock
$322,000 for this place. If your going to dream. Dream Big. Just like the $194,000 for the 1 bedroom places on Chenango. HaAHAHAHHA
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knock_knock
$179 sq. ft. Thats CHAPIN PARKWAY or Penhurst Park prices not Ashland?
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flyguy14222
I think knock_knock has been knocked_knocked. UYou are out of your fuc*&in mind. Get a grip and stay on topic. Have you seen the house?
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flyguy14222
Can anyone give up any more negativity?
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flyguy14222
What in the world does the military/industrial complex have to do with this terriffic renovation of an Elmwood Village property? Price out any new build in this neighborhood and you'll find that it is less per sq ft and also unique as a single family.
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heathersmiles
OMFG, what happened to this thread? Communists, socialist, and collectivists, oh my!
Seriously, is this some sort of "megbottoms.com" joke to see how far it goes? If so, it isn't funny. Don't get me wrong, I love satire and sarcasm, but this is taken to a whole different extreme.
On topic. I love the house and love the open stairs. It is too bad that the schools are so bad or else I might consider moving back.
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blackrocklifer
heather- I started to agree, way off topic, but then you pick on Buffalo public schools. Its the POVERTY not the schools. Do you really believe suburban schools would do any better if they faced the challenges that Buffalo as the 2nd poorest city in the nation must deal with every day.
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heathersmiles
Blackrocklifer - Telling yourself that the schools are fine doesn't make them fine. The Buffalo Public Schools suck! Even the Buffalo Public Schools know they suck, their superintendent and Union President have both said so publicly. The schools are so bad that they have to segregate anyone with a hint of talent and sequester them into their equivalent of a private school system.
I agree that poverty is a problem, but so is corruption, incompetence, and apathy. The unions and the school system are at war with each other. The schools are in such bad condition after years of neglect that even the Governor has decided that during the dire economic times, the Buffalo Public Schools need funding in order to come up to minimum standards.
I know that your children attended Buffalo Schools and were successful, but the figures show that more than 50% are failed by this inept system.
It is a combination of factors. You can single out poverty and the suburbs, but it is the residents of Buffalo that keep voting in incompetent morons and putting up with a failing system that is the problem.
Now back to your regularly scheduled article!
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knock_knock
flyguy Yes, I’ve seen the house it’s a very cool place. But, the average sq. ft. sale price on that block of Ashland is $70 sq. ft. from 2005-2007. According to the city of Buffalo web site residential sales. Basically a new house priced out of line with the neighborhood. Does the furniture come with it?
The west side has seen a great amount of prosperity in the last 5-10 years The problems of poverty and population loss still persist . Speaking from a person that just sold his house in the Burbs and moved to the west side 2 weeks ago.
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icecreamsub
Ikea sells a house just like this for a tenth of the cost....some assembly required
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Dave
A small single house one block north of this house, 204 Ashland sold in three days for $319.000 (listed in recent home sales for may 2008) 167 Ashland is a double listed for $329.000 and 80 Ashland afew houses down sold last year for $297.000 The prices have really gone up on Ashland in the last few years. And they seem to be selling. But I do think this house is a little over prices because there is no basement or garage. My guess would be that it would sell for $260.000 It is very nice and in a great neighborhood.
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JustAnotherGuyWithAnOpinion
wizardofza - who cares what I think. Does Buffalo want jobs? And where do jobs come from but businesses who hire employees. So what do you think they think about re-locating to a place that isn't yet convinced that socialism or communism isn't the best way to go. I think they might think that by moving to WNY they will need to pay up big-time, leaving less capital for the other things that they should be free to choose how to spend, such as machinery, software, labor-saving devices, marketing, Instead they have to kowtow to a mickey mouse pandering political culture that thinks it knows better on what political whim of the day that big bad business needs to pay up for. It will take that money from that business owner, removing the ability for the owner to spend that amount at his discretion in order to stay competitve, and it will almost certainly weaken the ability of that business owner to compete. So anyway I'm sure they are running to set up shop and relocate up there and provide jobs, along with all the new residents moving in.
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gaustad
flyguy, do you own the house ? What do you care?
I am glad that the property is finally appreciating in downtown Buffalo, but 300k plus will get you a pretty nice house anywhere in Erie County. I would have to think twice before spending that kind of money for 1800 sq ft on the west side.
Elmwood still has a ways to go. There are two trinket stores, and the same bumbs hanging out on the corners.
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flyguy14222
Gaustad maybe you should be on Amherst/Snyder rising! Why do I care? I live in the neighborhood.
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Activist
Property in the Elmwood Village is really hot right now. A $300,000 price tag isn't far off from the going rate right now. According to the home & garden crowd, city living is "so in" and suburban living is "so out." Who'da thunk it?
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allfit
They say it is all about location. If someone is willing to shell out $300,000 for this then more power to them.
I had no idea that there was a home and garden crowd and that they were so influential in swaying public opinion. Let's hope that they have the incredible insight to garner enough support so that we can repopulate the City and rebuild the Eastside.
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crisa
A house,,,once gutted,,,is a former shell of itself!
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MichaelB
Outstanding job with the renovatin, however...
Most of the people who work in Buffalo, including myself, could never afford such a price tag for this house. I can only speak to those people I work with, my friends and the people they know. That constitutes quite a few...
I bought my place nearly 6 years ago, 1384 sq.ft. in Tonawanda, close to South Campus UB for $74,000.00, more than three times less! I have even invested in the house to improve it's character and infrastructure and it's still not nearly worth that much asking price.
I am sorry, but even after such a beautiful renovation, and an improvement to the city, there are not many who can make this a reality in their lives around here. I am not saying that it is bad, but who is this really helping?
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blackrocklifer
MichaelB- I agree few could afford this house. The only way to lower the cost of renovation is to increase the pool of skilled workers. If our vocational schools were able to train a new generation in restoration/ renovation skills we could renovate the housing stock and provide employment and a sense of pride to these students.
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gaustad
Flyguy, Wiseguy, I also own in the neighborhood.
Seeing how you are such a "know it all," tell me how much higher the houses are going to go in the Elmwood Village before they crash. There are not many people in this area that can afford 300k plus.
I would rather see real estate go up gradually.
If you haven't noticed, there is a major real estate crash almost everywhere in the country. Buffalo always lags the rest of the nation be 1.5 to 2 years. Prices have already started to correct. Look at the waterfront, totally overvalued, almost NOTHING has sold all summer. Prices are already down 20% and going lower in to the winter.
Buy at the peak and get slaughtered. The equity you have built in your house may take years to recover.
Do yourself a favor and pick up a "Real Estate for Dummies" book over at Barnes and Noble.
A 1800 sq ft house selling selling for 330k is ridiculous for this neighborhood.
You also failed to mention that 4 unit just sold down the street on Ashland for 180k and it has enormous cash flow. Its over 5000 sq ft. with beautiful wood work.
You don't know what you're talking about.Would you pay 330k for this house or 400k to live on the waterfront and pay 12k/ year in taxes?
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PaulBuffalo
Blackrocklifer, I agree that vocational skills should be strengthened but the value of a home is due, in large part, to the desirability of an area. It's a supply and demand issue.
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AvaRouge
The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!
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JackieChiles
The level of artristry and craftmanship that went into this house is extraordinary. It must be seen to be appreciated.
Isn't there a moderator who can keep these discussions on track? I can handle only so many goofballs whining about Eurocommies reaping the benefit of living under the US nuclear umbrella for so long before I give up and get my info somewhere else.
Of the people who have actually been inside: How many of you think that the asking price is unrealistic?
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Biniszkiewicz
BRO: please follow up with this property periodically (say, 6 mos whether or not it's not sold). Ditto with Chenango Street renovations. Theses prices are startling for these areas. I'm sure everyone is curious as to the eventual outcomes. Love the design. Looks great inside and out. I love modern, especially in an urban context. Enormously curious to see the final sale price.
Heathersmiles and Blackrocklifer:
Brl: I often admire your arguments, but your attribution of success primarily to access to wealth goes a little too far for me. I'm more with Heather on this one. It's not just poverty that dooms the Buffalo Public Schools, it's the absence of classroom discipline. Yes, this is also a side product of poverty, but not a necessary one. Schools could control this but don't. Most parents are afraid of the BPS with valid reason. The typical BPS school provides an environment ill suited to academic success. Academic success is ridiculed by students' peers; few of their classmates appreciate the benefits of study. Not the kind of place which inspires confidence in parents. Yes, this is a byproduct in part of poverty. But it is also an indictment of our misguided social policies which reward academic failure by supporting in perpetuity those who choose not to apply themselves academically.
Every year we pass along children to the next grade regardless of their achievement or lack thereof. We are more afraid, evidently, of damaging children's egos in the short term by retaining them in a class appropriate to their skill level, than we are afraid of damaging their adult chances of success in life by turning them loose as adults unable to read, write, comprehend and critically analyze. Half don't even make it all the way through high school, despite the relatively free academic ride. The schools are a mess, and it's not just money. It's in large part the culture of poverty which insists that not learning is cool. But this culture is not so much a byproduct of poverty as it is the cause of the perpetuity of poverty. I hold that blame for multi-generational poverty can largely be laid at the feet of an attitude which shuns learning, rather than the other way round.
The oldest of our three is five years old and going to kindergarten this year. We live in Buffalo. He got accepted to the Olmsted gifted and talented, so we were comfortable. But he was also low on the wait list for Elmwood Village Charter. We chose that instead. We like the environment there better. I'm very pleased with our options. That was a big concern before this year. He got accepted into Olmsted (non gifted and talented) as our community school, he also got into the gifted and talented program because he tested in, and then into this charter. The charter doesn't cherry pick students; they take kids by lottery. It's a small school (25 kids per grade, two teachers in every class, school day lasts an extra 90 minutes every day--until 3:30 as opposed to 2:00). The school is small, personal and we hope successful. But it's a school the unions would have twenty two problems with. It's not just poverty which plagues the school system. It's also the management bureaucracy and the unions (teachers and janitors and principals). Thank the gods charter schools are free from those plagues. Heather: depending upon your children's ages, the choices can be pretty good. Move to the right district and apply for the better charters. After kindergarten it is a lot tougher to get into the school of your choice (there's not much attrition in the better schools so there aren't many slots in upper grades). Get in by kindergarten, though, and you should have some decent choices.
Someone spending $300k for an Elmwood Village home might not be so concerned about the public schools. Private school tuition might be a forgone conclusion one way or another if children are involved. I know some suburbanites who truck their children to private Buffalo schools every day, despite free eduction available in their burgh (one guy I know drives in daily from Clarence to take his kids to school in Buffalo even though his office is in Amherst and his wife doesn't work. They just want the best school and money's not an object, so private tuition doesn't phase him. He regrets building new out in Clarence instead of buying old in Buffalo).
This house will go to someone who appreciates and can afford its charms and who isn't dissuaded by the public schools. But I am most curious as to what that final price turns out to be.
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gaustad
Bini, this house is worth 225 - 250 tops.
330k is 183/sq foot - real high for the area.
Most home are selling for 120-130/sq ft. and this as after major appreciation!
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Jared
I am a simple man , I love the house , 1800 square feet is way more then then any one needs , hell I am happy with 900 square feet .. bump for cool house .. we need more like this in buffalo .....
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Username
There is another property available that may be of interest to people interested in this one...one of the cottages on Little Summer. Listing is here: http://www.gbbourne.com/template.smpl?arg=property_search_listing&crf_id=1310186
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knock_knock
gaustad, My opinion your rite on. This place is over the top A+++ renovation. But, it should have been targeted in the 225 - 250 range. You never know till it sells???
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crisa
Loftliving--living a loftlife--halflife--These are scary thoughts I base on some science fiction program from childhood that one day, people in the future would be so brainy that humanity would evolve to no need to be anything more than a talking head on a pedestal. Creepy, creepy stuff! But it couldn't possibly happen!
Today though, on one of the news programs, a man said that a former casket building(?) is being converted into lofts. Thousands of $s a month. (They sound absolutely fantastic and totally, efficiently , self-sufficient.). There are 100 people waiting in line... Besides that these lofty people won't be raising young so won't be interested in school systems, backyards or neighborhoods as we still know them, the man also said "...they get up at 3AM and,,,they just work." I didn't get that he implied that they are workaholics; I got that he stated that t.h.e.y j.u.s.t w.o.r.k. Here come those talking heads!!!
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