A People Zoo

A number of years ago there was a push to move the Buffalo Zoo downtown. That didn't pan out. Recently, commentors on BRO have been ‘duking’ it out about quality of lives of the animals at the zoo. I believe that one of those threads started with someone asking me if I would like to be locked in his or her basement. How would I like that? I must admit that I did not find that appealing, and as much as I was excited about the birth of Amur (Siberian) tigers, I was also wondering about the future living conditions at the zoo. I imagine that many people have heard about the tragic loss of three polar bears... the news has stunned people all over the country.
Does the zoo exist for the animals, or does the zoo exist for the people? That is a fair question. If I had my druthers I would say that it should exist for both. So here is an idea. Why don't we turn the zoo into an aquatic art park? Don't hang up on me yet... listen for a sec. For a long time I have heard so many people say that Buffalo should have an aquarium (not a slip 'n slide park).
Maybe this is the time to go for it. If we gave all the animals to zoos and habitats that have large living areas, wouldn't that be the best for the animals? So what do you do with the bear pens once they're empty? Turn them into individual performance areas. One for bands, one for theatre productions, one for potters, one for sculptures... you get it? Can you imagine what people could do with all of those incredible rock formations? This would be a huge draw. There could be a film theatre with a film school located inside one of the dark indoor animal habitats. Talk about a perfect place for a skate park... and a dog park... the ideas are limitless.
If the zoo is really there to preserve animal species on our planet, then that's one thing. I believe that all young people need to learn the importance of caring for our fellow creatures. But if it's at the expense of their wellbeing, then can we really say that the zoo (in its current role) should not be re-evaluated for best use practices? Honestly, if you want to make the zoo a place for a diverse crowd of people, then why not turn it into a functioning people park where musicians, artists, skaters, animal lovers, food lovers, cinema buffs, yoga instructors can gather? Combine it with an educational component that would keep the zoo operational while allowing it to thrive and Buffalo could have an incredible attraction on its hands.

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xosder
Hmmm...I'm not sure what to say. I've always viewed Allentown on a Sunday as my personal "people zoo"...and we don't even need to drive up to the park. Most modern zoos in Europe and North America display wild animals primarily for the conservation of endangered species and for educational and research purposes, and secondarily for the entertainment of visitors. I'm not sure it's time to turn our local zoo into a "people park", but I certainly give three stars credit to the out of the box thinking. Thank you.
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sally
Puleeese ... get over yourselves Buffalo. People all over the country are not talking about the death of 3 animals at the zoo. No one cares, it is not a news story in other cities.
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doc
Internet access has brought us in contact with all the animals in the world. Even animals that will never be at the Buffalo Zoo or any Zoo. We can even get their sounds Online. We do not need to go to a place where animals have been sitting, waiting for our visit ,for years, in some cases. I know I am not a frequent visitor to the Zoo. The reason? I cannot stand to see the animals confined. I think its cruel and I find it disturbing to see them in cages. I think the age of the confinement zoos is over and we should seriously consider moving our collection of animals to sanctuaries or, at least, move the animals to other zoos located in climates which are more compatible with the origin of their species.
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MiaLA
Sally Klimczyk. That is your name right? Puleeese get over yourself. Clearly you have no life if all you do is pick people apart on this website. I've been following BRO for a while and I never forget a name like that. For at least two years you have done nothing but harass people while trying to bring down the city single-handedly. Never a constructive comment. What is your purpose?
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xosder
MORE FORWARD THOUGHTS ON THE PEOPLE ZOO....How about we get rid of the problem of overcrowding at the Erie Cty Holding Center & move the overflow into the polar bear habitat ? I would be willing to write the captions.
"Fast Eddie - Genus: Rattus Unlikus"
Natural Habitat: Bailey Ave @ Delevan, but is known to migrateinto Allentown & Elmwood Village when in need of quick $.
Preys On: Society
Natural Enemies: BryLin, Labor, Common Sense
Food Group: Everything that can be snorted or injected or comes is sold 32 oz at a time.
Life Span: 26 years
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CityLove
The presence of a zoo as a cultural and neighborhood attraction can do a great bit to enhance the quality of life for the humans who make use of it. I agree that efforts should be continuously made to improve the living condtions of animals living in captivity.
Having said that, I don't think the Buffalo leadership has done enough free-thinking to improve the zoo's long-term health. Moving to downtown would have been good for the amount of space available, but I appreciate the passion that went in to keeping it on Parkside. I believe the purple elephant in this discussion is Delaware Park.
Delaware Park is massive and I have always envisioned some sort of "vacation spot" for animals. Imagine a fully enclosed section that animals could go to for daily exercise or could live in through weekly or monthly rotations. It would be visible to people not in the zoo - like the bison currently - and could make use of this massive space.
I once mentioned this possiblity in an educational setting to a member of the Olmsted Conservancy, and was amazed at how quickly it was dismissed as a virtual impossiblity.....citing turf conflicts and such. Then, always there is some mention of "staying true to Olmsted's vision, etc."
Olmsted won't return my phone calls for comment.
I think this is the type of Buffalo compartmentalization that continues to make me think at times I live in a city of perfect strangers, rather than good neighbors. We all know that there are massive parts of the park interior that receive little use except a "links" golf course (which means no trees, essentially). Anybody with a blueprint and a ruler could find use for golf, animals roaming......and add more trees while you are at it.
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brokeleg
You peoples are all crazy. Quit hatin on eachother and the animals. The cold reflection from a computer screen could never spark a childs imagination like seeing the real deal, whether there in a cage or not. That being said, the zoo is sweet if you like to travel back to the 30s. They should move the zoo to tift farms. theres way more space, its still in the city, and while tifft means well they cant be preserving THAT much wildlife down there. The state should set aside more state forests and wetlands to compensate. Those animals need to pretend they're still in Africa or South America, not hell. A good zoo can be a HUGE tourist draw as well, due to their family friendlyness. If we want to compete with the Toronto and Cleveland zoos then we have to create big fake savannahs and rainforests. South Buffalo doesn't sound too bad in my book
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chris69
The Buffalo Zoo showed very adolescent and immature if not out right incompetence when it comes to public relations. If it was managed correctly Buffalo could have gotten a new zoo.
The Buffalo Zoo refused to address the concerns of the community.
The Buffalo Zoo should have proposed converting the Delaware Park Zoo facilities into a petting zoo for the community.....which would have alleviated all the concerns of the neighborhood and an empty facility.
Another missed opportunity relates to the Great Lakes Museum as part of Bass Pro. The Buffalo Zoo and the Buffalo Botanical Gardens should be putting together an exhibit relating to great lakes flora and fauna, extinct species and foreign invasive species. These are things that those facilities could play an enormous role.
And does it need to be said that a petting zoo at Delaware Park....and participation in the Great Lakes Museum would create an incentive for visitors to make the effort to leave downtown and visit their facilities where a visitor might not normally attempt.
As with everything in Buffalo....there is no attempt to think of the bigger picture!
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RonR
Sally,
You could not be farther from the truth. Do a little research. Search for the AP story titled "Inspectors cite Buffalo Zoo in 3 polar bear deaths, suffocation of hyena" in google. It ran on the AP wire. You will see how many newspapers picked up the story. It ran here in the San Diego Union Tribune. It can also be found on ABCnews.com, CBSnews.com, Newsweek.com, the Boston Herald and a a couple THOUSAND places but who visits these sites or reads those newspapers. Yours is one of the most naive comments on this site in a LONG LONG TIME.
This is a BIG black eye for Buffalo. PETA is involved and like them or not they are a huge PAIN IN THE ASS if they are against you and they are against the Buffalo Zoo.
I think the Zoo should stay in Buffalo AND in its current location. I think Colvin Avenue should run south into the park and Jewett Ave should run west into the park. These two streets should meet in the middle of the golf course. Maybe not roads for cars but a walking trail and bike path. The land North and East should be given to the Zoo to expand. This is the best use for Delaware park.
Oh and if anyone says that would ruin the design that Olmsted created...I call BS. He never intended his parks, both Delaware and South Park to have golf courses. THAT IS JUST WRONG. It is not like these are great courses either....they suck. They golf course in Delaware park should be removed and the land returned to the general public. This would open access to this great setting for everyone not just the golfers. I am one myself so please refrain from the "golfers rights" argument.
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chris69
he may never have intended golf courses but he certainly didnt intend his parks to be criss crossed by streets.
RonR why dont you stick to trying to destroy Front Parkand the Colombus neighborhood for your grand peace bridge plaza.....because its common knowledge that your ideas of public space are about as much of a bloody abortion as Robert Moses was!
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RonR
Alright Timmy/Chris69 (SpeakupWNY). Stick to being a racist.
I am not RonR from the PBA but you are a bigot.
They do not have to be streets but walking paths.
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Martin
Two comments here. 1] Sally, most of your comments are stupid, but your one here puts you at the bottom of the food chain, how pathetc are you anyway? The death of these three animals is a crying shame. if I was to meet you I would certainly Bitch slap you and it would be well desrved, but unfortunatly there are to many Mcdonalds in Buffalo to find where you work. 2] The Zoo here in Buffalo is probably one of the worst I have seen. It needs a hell of a lot more funding. But hey Buffalo, send your money to help the well off wounded hocky players and football players...to Hell with the animals.
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chris69
Martin the Delaware Park Zoo was fine for 100 years ago when animals were kept in confined spaces. Today we are more enlightened to want animals in more human and natural habitats....which the Delaware Park Zoo simply does not have the space which is why I offered so many creative ideas that the local community could embrace like converting the existing zoo to a petting zoo.....while building a more modern zoo in a more central and deserving area such as an area on the eastside or perhaps near the South Park Botanical Gardens.
The Delaware Park Zoo could be converted into a first rate petting zoo. The Great Lakes Museum is in need of participation of both the zoo and botanical gardens for Great Lakes Flora and Fauna and the above exhibits would only re-inforce a first rate zoo in another location.
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uptownnc704
I agree.. Buffalo does need a better zoo. But that's the least of the worries we should have.
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Matthewjohnp
I'm surprised you remembered my basement comment but we do, as a community, have to decide how we are going to host exotic animals in a way that is habitable to them (pacing back and forth would seem a clear sign of distress) and the quaint notion that someone how our children have a right to watch the animals in their cages and feed them garbage bags. Of course, the animals may have intentionally ingested the garbage bags knowing this would finally set them free.
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RisingDamp666
An urban "show zoo" with animal displays is simply contemptible. A large habitat-centered sanctuary outside the city is a better concept. The nostalgia people have toward their nineteenth century urban fixtures is sadly out of focus here. What creature willingly bought into this concept? If you have an emptied urban zoo, use it to house animals that relate well to that context. Some birds, reptiles and domesticated mammals do quite fine within the confines of the traditional zoo. But polar bears and lions? It's sickening!
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OutsidetheBox
Has a single one of you actually looked at the Zoo master plan. They are aware the many of the exhibits are old and need updating, and they're currently working on fixing the situation. But since this is Buffalo, they don't have the full funding needed to overhaul the whole zoo in a year. It looks to me like they have some great ideas and some positive changes forthcoming. IMHO, the zoo will be much better in five years when they're able to complete some of their plans. Check it out for yourself here: http://www.buffalozoo.org/master_plan.html
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Frankster
Zoos are creepy. The medium is the message, namely that some animals (humans) feel entitled to lock up other animals and expect them to serve as spectacle. Zoos fail in their educational mission, precisely because the most the public can learn from zoos is how some species adapt, or more often fail to adapt, to captivity.
I stopped going to zoos after overhearing too much ignorant, condescending garbage out of people who passed by all the well-meaning educational labels & panels and paid zero attention. They complain about animal odors, they complain about animals who sleep or hide during open hours, then they shriek at those creatures who fail the greeting card adorability test and call them gross and disgusting.
Zoos also have the potential to serve as enablers in habitat destruction. Send those endangered species to a zoo so we can bulldoze this jungle for cattle grazing. Just start a captive breeding program so we can "develop" this prairie.
This is what cages teach us: that whatever is caged exists at our sufference, to do our will. If you want your kids to learn respect and reverence for the interconnected web of life, keep them away from zoos. Take them to Tifft Nature Preserve with a trained docent.
I will never set foot in a zoo again.
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sally
Call anyone you know in another City and ask them if our zoo has been on their newscast... it hasn't!
BTW Frankster animals are here for us to do ith them as we please.. theyhave no rights they are no different than bugs!!
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sally
If people want to put them in zoos so be i, if people want to eat them so be it. Who cares!!!!
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excop
Frankster - I'd love to hear your thoughts on prisons.
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Frankster
That's easy, excop. Prisons are failures if the wardens or chief administrators wouldn't want their own "graduates" living next door. If your "product" isn't safe anough to be around your own family and you continue to knowingly turn out this faulty product, then you and your correctional facility are not correcting a damn thing. Putting people in cages doesn't make them better human beings, or our Communist enemies, who relied heavily on it, would have actually achieved the paradise they always promised.
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Frankster
P.S. I briefly worked in a corectional facility.
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chiknlil
Frankster - I also spent time working in a correctional facility and agree with you that they do very little to rehabilitate or 'correct'. They are basically there to limit and control, I don't believe that any of the correctional facilities are seriously trying to 'fix' anything with the prisoner, they are more interested in punishment for the offender and satisfaction for the victim.
As a follow-up to Excop's question, what are your thoughts on house pets and barnyard animals? Is forcing a gerbil or hamster to live in a small plastic tube, or having your dog live in a house or kennel all day better or worse than a zoo?
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RonR
Sally,
I am in San Diego and it was a follow up story to one about naming the new Panda that was born. First you say it was not covered in the press and not it is in the TV news. Want to keep going?
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fredrico
Martin Luther King once said " ANY injustice ignored is a crime against all of humanity". His wife Coretta Scott King was a vegan and animal rights advocate. I try to follow their example and to care about all creatures - animal & human. There has been an awareness of condition/quality of care issues at the zoo for some years now - that is why the zoo was FORCED LAST YEAR into compliance with the elephant exhibit and the vetinary hospital by the accredidation committe. Zoo President Donna Fernandes' attention was focused on opening a rain forest exhibit while these basic needs were being ignored (until she was FORCED to address them or face losing accredidation). I think the zoo President- Donna Fernandes has the zoo board chairman -James Smyton snowed - if you know what I mean.
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al-alo
i hear FDR loved steak.
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Frankster
I'm all for providing care and shelter to domesticated animals, since thousand of years of human manipulation have rendered them unable to survive in the wild. I oppose turning wild animals into pets or keeping them in captivity, unless an injury makes them unable to survive on their own. A good example is some friends who found an orphaned baby squirrel this spring. They housed and fed him until he was mature and then they set him loose.
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twgie
I use to volunteer at the Los Angeles Zoo years ago, and appreciated their efforts in providing areas that were designed to represent the area that the animals were from. The areas were large and animals were able to get exercise. I do wish animals could roam free, but unfortunatly in this world we have people who hunt them leaving many endangered. Just last year, one of the last two remaining white rhinos was killed by a poacher. This animal is now destined to be extinct. How do the people of Buffalo get involved to insure that something is done about improving this zoo? The space provided this Buffalo Zoo is much too small for the kind of animals it has. Where do we go from here?
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RisingDamp666
Thank you Frankster! Zoos are deadening vats of pathological human hubris ( witness Sally's comments ) and serve little other purpose than to distort our connections to the natural world with cheesy little "habitats" and "educational exhibits". If zoos exist to teach us anything, it's that we engage in remarkable feats of constructed reality that absorb and ultimately destroy the very things expressed as "valuable".
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fredrico
to al-alo-
The beauty of it is - you embarass your own self with your own comments - nobody has to do it for you.
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Biniszkiewicz
Sally: I usually like your comments. Disappointing to see you believe animals are here for us to do with as we choose. i eat meat. I justify that, psychologically, by supposing that without all of us meat eaters most of those complex animal lives would never exist. If we didn't eat them, these animals would never be born in the first place (no farmers would raise them). So is it better to populate the bioshphere with less developed plant life or more complex animal life? Eating meat could, theoretically, be a more humane thing to do than the alternative scenario in which these animals never get to live at all. At least the animals have more capacity to appreciate this life than, say, a tomato plant. By supporting all these animal lives, we potentially benefit Life.
Yet i'd feel way, way better about my carnivorous ways if the animals we raised were actually treated with respect and dignity and had appropriate living conditions while we raised them. I won't eat veal because of the way they are treated. I sometimes buy free range chickens because their living conditions are more humane. I wish I could buy all my food from humane sources.
the fact that we sit atop the food chain doesn't mean that things subhuman are worthless. How can anyone deny that we are made of the same nature as they? We share the same genetic building blocks as all the other life forms on earth. We developed from the same primordial soup, sharing the same environment, the same biological drives, perhaps even the same spiritual drives. Just because another animal is not as great a biological wonder as we humans does not mean that their lives are simply worthless and meaningless. Less valuable does not equal worthlessness. If you have a treasure chest of jewels and happen upon the Hope diamond, the existence of that one diamond doesn't mean all the other jewelry is valueless. The fact that we are in the picture doesn't negate the majesty and wonder of the others in the picture, too.
If we happened upon some other planet which possessed all of earth's life forms excepting humans, we'd be astonished at the diversity and majesty of that environment. We'd treat those indiginous species as somehow sacrosanct and valued. Yet because we share their moment of existence and we are better evolved than they, we treat all other life forms as dispensible, worthless possessions. We imagine that they feel no pain, or if they do that it is absolutely inconsequential.
I believe future generations will look upon our indifference to animal suffering similarly to the way we view slave holders' actions and practices. Future generations will be shocked at our depraved indifference to animal welfare, just as we are shocked at the depravity of those who dismissed the suffering of slaves. Slaveholders acted as they did because those slaves were deemed 'subhuman'. (I just saw a documentary on pbs about athens: in ancient athens, the word for slave was 'man footed thing'. Dehumanize something and you can stop considering its value).
I applaud Frankster's comments. I do think of zoos as inherently inhumane. They are beneath us.
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Spaulding97
LOL Sally!!! I know it's opposite day, but stop already... my sides are hurting from all those funny jokes you keep saying!!!
LOL, Animals were put here for us do as we want!!! Ha, classic!
THEY'RE NOT OUR MINIONS YOU IDIOT!!!!
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