12-Step Buffalo Outer Harbor Development Plan

12-Step Buffalo Outer Harbor Development Plan

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BRO submission by Bob Baker:

As a former resident of Buffalo I have been interested in development of the outer harbor Buffalo waterfront. I believe development of the outer harbor waterfront is the pivotal key to a new image of Buffalo, and that it must be based on ONE main entity theme for recreation and clean water. My sole interest is to help Buffalo groom a waterfront they can enjoy and be proud of.

Long before the diesel engines start, wrecking balls sway and rubble is carried from the waterfront, the plan must be accepted as one main project, and backed by the common citizens of Western NY.

The beautiful waterfront stretch of Lake Erie shoreline from the Buffalo River south to Woodlawn is what I call the outer harbor and according to former Mayor Jim Griffin I may have the longest standing development proposal on record at City Hall. I studied coastline initiatives while attending college in Los Angeles in 1972 and spent some time with Tom Blanchard and the former Waterfront Commission at Buffalo. Again here is my 12-step plan for development.

1) Through EMINANT DOMAIN and ratified by WNY voters, the “outer harbor” portion of Buffalo waterfront from the Buffalo River south to Woodlawn Beach, and inland to 100’ East of Route 5 will be purchased back from current owners at fair market value and designated public property owned and governed by Erie County and the City of Buffalo. This will preserve the waterfront as one main entity, blocking private development and piece meal ownership. Successful development depends on a “one central theme” approach.

(Private business will be welcomed, but all land ownership will be by residents of Erie County) Once development is complete, maintenance will be the responsibility of Erie County and City of Buffalo residents.

2) BUFFALO RIVER: While my plan for outer harbor development does not encompass Buffalo River, in a nutshell my thoughts for this area are as follows: Buffalo River cradles the Historic infant of Buffalo’s economic boom in the 1900’s. The Historic grain elevators dot the canal near Ohio Street. However now that these buildings are out of use, it is time to recycle them and welcome in the new. One possible idea would be to evaluate one or two and convert them to residential condominiums through steel reinforcement and makeover. The cost analysis for such renovation would deem its feasibility. Perhaps keep and renovate one or two as a Historical stop for tourists, or as converted luxury condominiums. The rest however should be demolished, loaded on barges, and dumped deep in Lake Erie for underwater fish structures and/or used for jetty and shoreline fill in areas sensitive to erosion. In a nutshell – use it or loose it. Vacant abandoned buildings with broken out windows will be removed, the area restored to grass and provided to the proper groups for new development. A KEY to the success of all waterfront development is drastic improvement in water quality of Lake Erie and ALL tributary streams draining to the outer harbor, from their smallest beginnings upstream.

3) TIFT FARM PRESERVE

While Outer Harbor development does not directly include lands 100’ and more East of Route 5, the entire area between Route 5 and South Park Avenue as well as south to Ridge Road is in the same relative state of decay as most of the outer harbor and needs to be reclaimed and made useful and beautiful. Unfortunately some areas of this land have been “abused” by industrial byproducts of previous generations and need to be legally re classified for remedial restoration. The areas of Class B and other carcinogenic toxins need to be identified, tested, processed, contained and transported to underground storage facilities by truck or rail. Till now parts of this land have been designated as toxic wasteland. (which it is) NOW is the time to CLEAN IT UP and move forward with beautiful residential development. I would call for several phases of Senior Citizen low maintenance homes with a terraced view of the Lake Erie sunsets from Route 5 to South Park along Tift Street.

This area, once cleaned and developed, would be adjacent to the waterfront and should offer prime residential value perhaps with Hi Tech and light manufacturing facilities mixed in. Small shopping plaza’s might compliment the new residential neighborhood of Buffalo however no large Mall or industrial business should be allowed that would detract from it’s beauty.

A KEY to reclamation and development of the beautiful acreage between Route 5 and Hopkins Street, Abbey Street and South Park Avenue is the complete legal reclassification of the area as reclaimed and restored from toxic classification. After careful and thorough cleanup of known and tested sites of toxic materials, no legal suits will be allowed that claim a pre existing condition harmful for residential development. We are talking about COMPLETE cleanup and restoration. Once finished indemnity from any legal action based on previous conditions must be precluded.

(It is the same as finding a campground someone spilled oil and paint on. Do you deem it wasteland forever, or clean it up and use it?)

4) DEMOLISH, DREDGE, DUMP (Phase 1)

To start, my plan calls for a basic restoration of the natural coastline from the Coast Guard Station at Buffalo River, south to where it joins Woodlawn Beach, just to the south of the Bethlehem complex. Along the way are several beautifully developed areas that should remain and be built around. ALL the rest must go – ESPECIALLY the Bethlehem complex.

The Small Boat Harbor has been beautifully done and in my opinion has also been well managed. I believe it should remain as is – with possible expansion to the North. Starting from the Coast Guard station, the inner rock break wall should be removed and the natural shoreline should be “re cut” – with removal of the outer half of the two (unused) freighter slips. The Pier restaurant would be removed and could be re located as the coastline is re cut south to the Freezer Queen facility, which also would be removed. That area could be used as a possible expansion for the small boat harbor to the North, and re location of the other small boat rental just south of the Cargill Cement structure.

(Phase 2)

From The Small Boat Harbor south lies the one small part of the shoreline I like to call Buffalo Beach. It is one small area that is very close to the original shoreline. It has been used by wind surfers, jet skiers and the occasional swimmer. The water quality has been getting better every year. There are thick weed beds in the past 3 years starting 50’ off shore and water quality is clear. This area would be extended south – with the demolition and removal of the entire CARGIL cement building, boat storage facility and peninsula it is on. The cement and steel from this structure will be loaded on barges and dumped off shore for more underwater structure to enhance fish habitat. The landfill from the peninsula it is on can be used for landfill to refill the inner half of the freighter slips and other landfill areas. With the restoration of the natural coastline through the Cargill peninsula, the project will continue south.

With the removal of 70 Cement slabs at the boat rental harbor there, the next task in line would be removal of the abandoned cement grain elevators and dredging of the peninsula there to continue a gentle shoreline curve outward to meet the real scar of the waterfront – the BETHLEHEM COMPLEX.

The cement from the slabs and grain elevators there would again be barged to Lake Erie for excellent underwater habitat structures for fish populations.

5) BETHLEHEM COMPLEX

From the turn of the century to the 1960’s, Bethlehem Steel was the anchor of a booming industrial economy for Buffalo. It was built out into Lake Erie on landfill and employed thousands. When Bethlehem Steel moved operations to Pittsburg major steel production ended and other than small coke operations the Bethlehem complex has remained as a SCAR to the beautiful waterfront.

COMPLETE REMOVAL of its facilities, buildings, steel and cement are mandatory. Complete removal and redredging of the landfill will restore the shoreline to a natural curve ending at Woodlawn Beach. This is no small task, and will require dismantling of all structures on the complex, again with clean cement and steel materials barged to Lake Erie for underwater structures.

Once above ground structure is removed, the main task will be the dredging, removing of landfill and reclamation of natural shoreline as it curves to meet Woodlawn beach. This will complete the initial development phase – reclamation and restoration of the shoreline to its natural state.

Funding for the Outer Harbor development project should be from a combination of Federal, State and County sources. However removal of the Bethlehem Complex should be funded by a combination of those who benefited from its presence (Erie County Residents) and the corporation that built it there.

6) CLEAN, CLEAR, GROOM

Starting again from the Coast Guard Station at Buffalo River heading south, the restored waterfront coastline will start to clean itself, creating some natural sand and shell beaches with the natural wave action. Although the outer harbor break walls diminish the natural grooming effect of wind and waves, I believe they should remain as protection for beautiful boating and protection for the small boat harbor. The shoreline will “clean itself” as already evident at the stretch south of the small boat harbor that I call Buffalo Beach.

Once all man made land fills, peninsulas, structures and the Bethlehem Complex are removed through demolition and dredging the next phase will be grooming of approximately the first 200’ inland from the waterline to its natural state, with enhancement of as much sand beach as possible. There should be a period of 3-6 months for natural reshaping of the shoreline and environmental enhancement once restoration of the natural shoreline is complete.

7) ROUTE 5

Route 5 will now be the key waterfront road and should be converted to a uniform 4 lane divided highway, 40MPH. The Skyway may be left intact at its normal speed limit however it will become the 4 lane divided road just North of the small boat harbor. This road is the KEY to a tranquil and beautiful waterfront spectacle.

Successful Waterfront development should be for the enjoyment of the PUBLIC taxpayers and citizens of Erie County. It is not about private corporations making profit from it. While there will be numerous shops, restaurants and stands supportive to recreational use, medium and large industrial or retail sites should be situated more inland and not on the immediate waterfront. In general, Route 5 should have an average of 200’ (or in places more) “beach front” or shoreline property to its West, with ample parking areas, changing rooms, restrooms and park/picnic areas for general public recreation. Parking areas would be ideally situated just east or inland from Route 5, with over road walkways, safe pedestrian crosswalks and traffic signals periodically. The first parallel street inland from Route 5 will also be used for numerous convenience markets and small businesses supportive to the recreational waterfront area and new residential areas inland from there. NO JUNK YARDS, ABANDON BUILDINGS, UNUSED RAIL YARDS, DUMPS, ETC. The one rail line currently used will be cleaned and walled for minimal aesthetic impact. Route 5 will be the common theme highway dividing the natural waterfront shoreline from new residential and park areas inland. There is the option of using part of the “new” waterfront area South of Tift street and near the existing Bethlehem Complex for some waterfront cottages or luxury condominiums for weekly rentals. However no private development or ownership will be allowed.

8) USE OF WATEREFRONT YEAR ROUND

While Buffalo has 4 beautiful seasons of June, July, August and winter the reclaimed and developed Outer Harbor should offer enjoyment and reflection to Buffalo at all times of the year. While my plan for development is of a Macro view I would like to see the restored waterfront be used in summer as a place to drive to, park at and recreate. Arriving by car, foot, bus or bicycle this means ample opportunity for leisure activity. Areas of shaded parks with picnic tables, family reunion facilities, youth sports fields, large quiet beach areas, and piers with tourist shops and ice cream stands come to mind. The main theme would be waterfront enjoyment. Whether relaxing on your boat at the small boat harbor, watching the kids splashing in the new beaches under the watchful eye of stationed lifeguards, or cooking hot dogs at one of the many picnic and park sites the absence of busy industrial or commercial operations will be apparent.

(Pedestrian Travel) One main theme of a successful recreational waterfront is a long strand connecting its north and south boundaries. In Los Angeles there are so many people using the waterfront they have two strands. One is for pedestrian use (walking, jogging, strollers, etc) and another is for wheeled use. (Bicycles, skateboards, rollerblades, etc.) The strands are usually blacktopped approx. 7’ wide and adjacent to each other with 10’ – 50’ separation.

(Off Season Use) Long after summer shops are closed till spring, the waterfront will still be of key recreational importance. While historical areas of the newly developed Buffalo River may attract year round tourism, the windy open waterfront will still be used for bicycling and walking on the strands when snow free. Optional covered stretches or stretches converted for winter ice skating and outdoor skating facilities are easily created.

9) WATER/ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY

The present decay of our beautiful waterfront is the direct result of irresponsible contamination of our soils by corporations for financial gain. It was easier to “dump” toxins than to contain and store them responsibly.

A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT is the key to a successful waterfront experience.

My plan calls for detailed evaluation of ALL inland streams and tributaries feeding the outer harbor, Buffalo River, Smoke Creek, etc. The water quality (or lack of) is the result of pollution or erosion from sources far upstream. For example, although not part of the outer harbor plan, If the Scajaquada creek was opened up and cleaned from the headwaters near Delaware Park, to flow through Delaware Lake and out to the Black Rock canal it would be a boost to environmental health. To clear flowing water, add the culture of healthy aquatic vegetation, bait species and ground cover for drainage areas around the creek and you have clean productive water for fish species and recreation flowing unobstructed to the river. This must take place in Buffalo River, Smoke Creek and all other tributaries for the plan to be effective. Unobstructed tributaries will flow clean.

Monitoring Water Quality for enhancement and maintenance of healthy standards will provide clean flowing streams and rivers (again) to the outer harbor waterfront area. As the Buffalo River turns green and clean, enhanced recreation and tourism will soon follow. This is the culture Buffalo is now lacking from its potentially beautiful waterfront region. The creeks and rivers must flow clean and unobstructed with habitat enhancements and strict monitoring to maintain high levels of water quality. Shoreline plantings and propagation of bait species will compliment clean flowing tributary streams.

10) INLAND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT

When the current Buffalo Waterfront is mentioned I think of rail yards, abandoned buildings from 1900, junk yards, scattered industrial waste sites, abandoned freighter slips and an abandoned charred steel complex. This is not a successful or pleasant image. My plan calls for the waterfront as a combination of a beautiful recreational shoreline backed by nice residential low maintenance homes terraced for senior citizens as well as mixed upscale residential development of homes on either side of Tift Street. Besides phases of new residential communities the area is conducive for neighborhood parks with tennis and basketball courts, skateboard facility, golf course, bicycle trail, etc. The phases of the Tift residential development can take place over time but the swift remedial cleaning and reclamation of these areas will be the cornerstone for success.

11) REVENUE/EXPENSE OF THE PROJECT

Cost analysis for initial demolition, shoreline reshaping and transport of removed material alone will show this to be not inexpensive. Think of it as two projects. The reclamation and restoration of unusable land will be the initial phase followed by Development and construction of a brand new waterfront.

While funding for the removal and restoration of the Bethlehem Complex site will come partially from the entity responsible for its construction and ownership, funding for the rest of this vast project will come from a variety of sources. These include short and long term bond measures; state and federal funds earmarked for such long overdue development and careful limited allocation of local county tax revenues.

Various phases of the project should be open for bid from contractors. Demolition of existing above ground structures, dredging and reshaping of the natural shoreline and the relocation, barging and dumping of clean fill from operations should all be put up for bid from qualified contractors to have things “done right” and at the least expense.

COMPLETE REMOVAL of the Bethlehem complex and its related landfill should be treated and funded separately. This phase of the reclamation project might be better managed by Bethlehem itself. There is no better press than a demonstrated concern for environmental preservation and enhancement. With knowledge and experience creating structures and landfill in Lackawanna, Bethlehem Steel Company may be best qualified to manage complete removal of the landfill it created. The important task of identification and removal of “hot spots” or toxic areas east of the complex may also be best handled by Bethlehem Steel Company as a token of remedial concern.

Once operational, a beautiful new waterfront will provide some sources of revenue. My recommendation is that any and ALL REVENUE generated from waterfront related use, although minimal in comparison to previous industrial revenues, be carefully recorded and allocated to the maintenance of and payment for the project. By no means should any revenue from waterfront activities be allowed to leave Erie County. While beaches, piers, shops, harbors and parks do not generate large revenues by their nature, revenues they do create will be more than ample to maintain and enhance the new waterfront.

While revenue can be generated from parking meters and lot fees I would strongly suggest through their portion of funding Residents have free access to their waterfront. Further revenue to help pay for the project will eventually come from residential development east of Route 5. Unlike past tax revenues of WNY, the key to success here will be to use this tax revenue for funding the waterfront project and NOT sent downstate or used anywhere other than for funding the waterfront project.

12) LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE

50 years after completion, Buffalo residents will be enjoying a beautiful waterfront on the shores of Lake Erie. Maintenance of its beaches, parking lots, restrooms, parks, marinas, piers and bike strands must be carefully budgeted annually. Costs for maintenance should be mainly generated from shops and merchants who benefit from waterfront related revenues, and never become the burden of the taxpayer.

The recreational theme of the new waterfront should never be compromised, nor should ownership ever be granted to any private entity. Although industrial and large commercial entities should not be allowed to locate near the waterfront, small to medium high tech companies able to provide high paying jobs and revenue to Buffalo should be encouraged to locate near the new residential areas east of Route 5 and around South Park.

ADDENDUM

While nothing happens until action is taken, a good start to this development project would be to fund, approve and begin the initial phase of cleaning and reshaping the original shoreline from the Coast Guard station south to the Freezer Queen structure. Removal of the break wall beginning at the south end of the Coast Guard station will expose the start of the natural coastline. From an aerial map online you can see the natural shoreline that begins there (Times Beach) and extends southward bisecting the middle of the two unused freighter slips where the Pier restaurant is/was located.

That will be a start and with careful cost analysis and projection, phase two can continue south along the access road to the Pier restaurant to the small boat harbor. Removal of the freezer Queen complex will be the first use of heavy demolition and barging of debris to Lake Erie. Removal of the peninsula just south of there will complete reshaping to the Small Boat harbor, allowing its possible expansion northward.

If removal of the Bethlehem complex is able to be managed by Bethlehem Steel Company itself that would leave just the middle section including the Cargill Cement structure, peninsula and landfill to its south completing reclamation to the southern outer harbor. With a 3-6 month rest period, beach development, paved parking areas, restrooms, strand and pier or shopping area development can begin. The main question of such a development proposal is “Who is going to pay for it?” By doing nothing, and living with the beautiful outer harbor in a state of polluted decay – all residents of Erie County are paying for it in a more costly way. They are accepting the garbage left from our forefathers and missing the shimmering waters of a beautiful shoreline Buffalo has been blessed with.

It is time for Buffalo Residents to clean up the waterfront mess, and shape it into something they can be proud of for years to come.

digulios

What Others Have To Say

  1. bbvdm

    3 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 13:56

    Could this possibly be the longest entry in BRO history?

  2. tonyarmani

    6 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 14:23

    holy crap i didnt read 1/2 of it but im sure it was good...Go Bills!

  3. Abbottroad

    2 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 14:37

    I partcularly liked the part where the public buys back the land then (de-facto) becomess responsible for brownfield remediation.

  4. Hospitable

    0 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 14:58

    Bob Barker as in THE PRICE IS RIGHT??

  5. TBone

    2 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 14:59

    Wow... the article, although well meaning, is full of factual problems and understatements... is anybody screening these things for accuracy?

  6. UrbanBody

    1 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 15:20

    Item 5: Bethlehem remediation: Not sure why Baker is asking County residents to pay anything more than a nominal amount. The property was owned by a corporation, and is still (all?) owned by some (one?) entity--so "it" should be wholly responsible for remediation. I'm sure there are plenty of Federal and State dollars to lighten the direct hit at County residents.

    Item 7: The use of 'highway' to describe the preferred look of a new Route 5 is unfortunate. Isn't a "parkway" preferred by the enlightened? Also, it sounds as if the Skyway is okay with Baker. Unfortunate.

    All in all it is a thoughtful, well-intentioned plan. Too idealistic, "yes"--except for some place like Dubai! However, I do support Baker's wholistic approach as that would provide the best design/use plan.

  7. sbrof

    2 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 15:44

    good - cleaning the site should be a top priority

    bad - just about everything else.

    The problem with this area is the lack of competitive ownership outside of public or quasi public authorities. It has been the government's job to redevelop the waterfront for 20 years. That got us no where. little is cleaner and nothing is closer to being complete. It means we get another highway, a lot of empty brown fields and falling apart buildings.

    Tearing down the grain elevators is like asking Rome to knock over its viaducts or temples. These things are monuments even in disrepair for a whole age of industrialization and architecture. They are renown and studied and visited by more people than anyone knows or counts. Books have been written about them. Carriers inspired by them. Yea we think they are useless eyesores, but so did Romans of the Colosseum for 500 years. We by nature are shortsighted. Concrete Central is one of the largest man made concrete structures ever create.

    "They do have an almost Egyptian monumentality . . . and in abandonment and death they evoke the majesties of a departed civilization. Or so it used to seem to me, looking downstream on the Buffalo River . . . It was a privilege to know them in their ravaged antique grandeur" . . .Reyner Banham

    Just because you or I think they are not worth anything doesn't mean we should just "start from scratch." There is a whole lot of already empty land that needs to be dealt with first incorporating these structures into them would not only be unique, true to our and global history but would become a splendor in their own right. Walk next to these, Climb to the top of them. They are much more than dilapidated or useless.

    UDP | Concrete Atlantis

  8. kahawa

    5 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 15:53

    Anyone have 500 billion dollars?

  9. SLEEPL8

    1 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 15:56

    Bob freakin Barker. The guy hosts a game show for a few hundred years and thinks he's an "expert" on waterfront develepment. Who are you kidding. THE PRICE IS WRONG BOB!

  10. MeliQ

    4 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 15:58

    SLEEPL8

    Are you kidding? It's Bob B a k e r, not Barker. Where is the intellect of the BRO readership?

  11. halljd39

    0 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 16:00

    I got a good laugh - I needed that, thanks guys!

  12. Spaulding97

    1 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 16:37

    MeliQ, It's a joke, J-O-K-E!

  13. halljd39

    0 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 16:48

    I am laughing right now.

  14. gaustad

    8 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 16:48

    THIS TOWN SUCKS AND I AM MOVING - i will be smoking a cigar on a beach, with tan big breasted that can afford STRAIGHT white teeth.

    This whole region is going nowhere fast. It is destined to fail because we are held hostage by the same corrupt bigots that have been running this city for the last 100 years. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE.

    I got an idea, LETS TALK SOME MORE ABOUT BASS PRO - JOKE!

    IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT THEN YOU JUST DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER.

  15. halljd39

    3 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 16:50

    see ya gaustad, you'll probably want to change your name to a hockey player from the city you'll be moving to.

  16. Denizen

    0 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 17:52

    Might have wanted to spell/grammar check before posting this...

  17. xosder

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    Oct 24th 2007, 19:04

    NFTA has largely been the barrier since this piece was written in 1972. The City of Buffalo gave NFTA all that land for $1 , because NFTA needed it for "transportation purposes". They have done nothing with it and stonewalled the City from ever getting it back. In fact, a year ago, they said they were giving it back, yet to date have not returned the property known as the outer harbor. The actions of this pseudo public entity are a disgrace, and they have never been held to task. The people responsible for the shape of our outer harbor are the same ones who put the tracks on Main Street and run a few buses out to the suburbs....development professionals....think not !

  18. impressingagent

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    Oct 24th 2007, 19:07

    man im disappointed that paul gaustad does not like buffalo! I think i might have to trade in my library card for a punching bag, and force all my friends to wear helmets.

  19. AtwaterLouse

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    Oct 24th 2007, 19:40

    (Private business will be welcomed, but all land ownership will be by residents of Erie County)

    I'll just take my share in cash please, Bob.

    Hey, could we get Drew Carey to write a rebuttal to all this? That would probably be pretty good.

  20. BROKEEPSBLOCKINGME

    7 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 20:48

    I agree with Gaustad... You dumb fuckin hippies keep electing these career politicians and we get nowhere year after year... Sam Hoyt, Byron Brown, the same cast of idiotic characters year after year after year and we wonder why we lose population and jobs for decades at a time...

  21. BROKEEPSBLOCKINGME

    3 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 20:53

    Gaustad, lets get some hookers and bumps and get loose somewhere nice. 85 degrees fake racks, good economy, jobs, business friendly climate, low taxes.

  22. jimmycrackcorn

    2 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 21:08

    wow this guys is off his rocker.

    So to reclam The former Bethelehem Steel property, you want erie county taxe payers and a company that no longer funcions under that name, to clean up close to 1300 acres back to prestein conditions. WOW thats funny.

    oh and good luck dismantiling the windturbines, one of the few major projects that got off the ground.

    nut case

  23. tonyarmani

    0 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 21:12

    I love how bro starts everything with you dump fuckin hippies lolol...if Bob Barker comes the old people will have a toss up between Price is Right and Indian Casino

  24. lakefrnt

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    Oct 24th 2007, 22:27

    WANTED! Buffalo Business in need of financial help. I am a former CEO of a billion dollar a year company looking to help Buffalo Based businesses. Buffalo born and raised, I have recently relocated back to Buffalo. You must have current sales of over one million dollars and have been in business for over six months. Start ups, distressed and companies on the verge of bankruptcy are my specialty. I am looking to be hands on and part of the day to day operations. I am willing to make a substantial investment in the right company. My only exclusions are the food and retail based businesses, so please do not ask. Let me help you to rebuild your company... It is never too late. All information is held confidential. E-Mail me your information today at: lakefrnt@gmail.com

  25. al-alo

    0 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 22:40

    lakefrnt, what if i expanded my paper route?

  26. AtwaterLouse

    1 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 23:10

    distressed and companies on the verge of bankruptcy are my specialty

    lakefrnt, would you please run for mayor in two years?

    al-alo will write comedic portions of your campaign speeches and generate astroturf throughout Little Italia.

  27. gaustad

    2 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 23:39

    lakefrnt - go back to where you came from - SAVE YOURSELF WHILE YOU CAN - the politicians and the people who elect them are by far the dumbest on earth. This is a broke, uneducated, small, bigoted town with no hope of ever reinveneting itself. It was not for the sabres, most of the people from here would die of boredom.

    Too mnay people "and politicians" that blow coke in Buffalo ny.

  28. RisingDamp666

    1 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 23:53

    I have a business that's right up your alley, Lakefrnt, it's called GoldDome Savings. We were quite successful a few years back but the business environment suddenly shifted and left myself and many of my employees literally out to sea. A quick infusion of capital might have staved off these dire circumstances but my lender of choice, Empire, was unable to help. A liferaft loan of $5 billion would definitely turn things around, for the betterment of our organization and for the community as a whole.....and could we have it in Euros, please?

  29. gaustad

    1 ratings12345
    Oct 24th 2007, 23:57

    I have a better idea for lakefrnt - since he/she is in the philanthropic mood - give Buffalo 100 Billion dollars so we can tear everything down and start all over again!

  30. gaustad

    7 ratings12345
    Oct 25th 2007, 00:10

    TOP 10 LIST OF EVERYTHING BUFFALONIANS KID THEMSELVES ABOUT ON A CONSTANT BASIS:

    1.) Bringing traffic back to main street - YEA RIGHT, NEVER EVER HAPPEN

    2.) BASS PRO - how embarassing!

    3.) Tearing down the skyway - hilarious, never happen

    4.) Connecting the inner harbor to the outer harbor - NEVER HAPPEN!

    5.) STATLER TOWERS - Issa will never complete this project

    6.) Isaa's high rise - what a fucking joke?

    7.) Extending our shit subway to the southtowns - with what money?

    8.) Erie Canal Harbor Development - 10 years to build a boat slip and a musuem - JOKE - NOTHING WILL EVER HAPPEN UNDER THE SKYWAY

    9.) Building a football stadium downtowm - NEVER

    10.) Building a high speed train between Buffalo and NYC or Toronoto - maybe in 100 years!

    BUT:

    THERE WILL BE A NICE NEW CASINO DOWNTOWN THAT WILL FURTHER SUCK ALL THE LIFE OUT OF THIS TOWN. NO ENERGY, NO GIRLS. NO SOPHISTICATION, NO BUSINESS, NO WHERE TO GO AND NOTHING TO DO BUT DRINK, EAT FRIED FOOD, CHAIN SMOKE AND WATCH THE SABRES!

    NOW GO EAT A FISH FRY AND HOPE THAT OUR POLITICIANS CAN TURN THINGS AROUND WHEN THEY ARE DONE BLOWING COKE AND SHOOTING DARTS.

  31. RisingDamp666

    1 ratings12345
    Oct 25th 2007, 00:54

    So.....where's the fish fry?

  32. joeycanoli

    1 ratings12345
    Oct 25th 2007, 02:37

    coming from someone that grew up in syracuse, went to school in hartford,ct, and now goes to ub. i dont know a single person that wants to stay in this area. everyone wants to either go back to their shitty upstate ny suburban lifestyle, or take off to the mid atlantic/ north carolina/southwest. in new england, everyone loved the way they lived, whether they grew up on the sound, boston, or the mountains of vermont, no one wanted to leave, i wish i could say the same for upstate ny. we live in a place that is dieing, and although buffalo is the only place left that has some remaining character, unless major companies are handing out jobs that cannot be refused among graduation time, we face a downward spiral that will never reverse its course.

  33. impressingagent

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    Oct 25th 2007, 08:53

    frank rizzo.. r i z z o

  34. McGowan

    3 ratings12345
    Oct 25th 2007, 08:55

    Wow - Joey you are pretty off base on that one or you have been hanging around the wrong crowd.

    I lived in Syracuse for 8 years during and after college and although loved the area and people, chose to move back to Buffalo. This choice was predicated not only on the proximity of my family and friends but more so by a desire to be part of something. That something is what this website is all about - the resurgence of Buffalo. There are thousands of people who have made the same choice (and before anyone chimes in with the usual Buffalo Rising negativity, thousands more who made the opposite choice). Yes, in making this coice I had to sacrifice in the short term - but five years later I couldn't be in a better place. This city is what you make it - if you buy into the stereotypes then you will probably live right up to them.

    Buffalo has already turned the corner - look at the amount of new housing being built IN THE CITY, look at the neighborhoods that seeing development that have been neglected for years (1st Ward, Cobblestone, lower West Side), the development projects announced and even the return of a downtown crowd (check out the farmer's market downtown for an example). There are plenty of good things that are happening - surprise - they are not happening out on Sweet Home Road next to UB. So why are you here? Oh yeah - for the great education this city can provide...

    Keep it positive or don't bother posting - does anyone actually enjoy reading the negative crap that people throw up all over this site. It used to be a refreshing break from the mundane crap I read in the Buffalo News. Unfortunately it seems that Buffalo Rising has become plagued with the same naysayers that have afflicted this region for the past 50 years.

    I have an idea - how about people actually give the benefit of the doubt when reading the site instead of just looking for insignificant or petty problems in posts to rail about.

    And for the record - I didn't spell check or grammer check. So go crazy - I am sure someone can start pointing out the problems in this post as well.

  35. SLEEPL8

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    Oct 25th 2007, 09:33

    McGowan. Well said.

  36. WilliamZabkaAllStars

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    Oct 25th 2007, 09:41

    12-Step Outer Harbor Development Plan = Pie. In. Sky.

  37. tjhorner1

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    Oct 25th 2007, 10:29

    Are these comments from Gaustad or Willis McGahee?

    In other news, that was the longest BRO article....ever. I got to the third sentence, and quit, so I have no idea what it was about, but these comments are well worth the read!

  38. georgethomasapfel

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    Oct 25th 2007, 11:41

    McGowan, I agree wholeheartedly! Gee, seems people forget the name of this blog is Buffalo RISING. There's plenty of outlets for the naysayers to spew their effluent prose online, it must be they get some perverse satisfaction out of spreading their gloom and ridiculing those of us trying to put positive efforts into our city. I compare them to graffiti vandals who deface public spaces- their words are the graffitti who pollute this website, and they cower under assumed names.

    I've been away from home for over four decades, came back this year and am in the process of relocating to Buffalo. I'm already actively involved in helping make Buffalo and Western New York a better place. Yeah, I complain too, identifying problems in need of repair often require a good gripe session. But don't bash those of us who believe in this area and are trying to make positive changes.

    Buffalo needs a lot of work, we can't fix everything but I get satisfaction in knowing I've at least tried.

  39. MJWorthington

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    Oct 25th 2007, 12:29

    The great thing about pessimism is that you have to put no effort into turning things around. If they don't turn around you can act "smart" about predicting it (although part of the cause) and if others do turn things around you still get to reap the benefits. Kind of win-win for those with no ambition to put in the hard work and dedication.

    As for this plan it is nothing more that wasting money on restoring a shore line and keeping the land in publis ownership which has been shown to fail over and over. A grid needs to be laid out with an urban design overlay district and zoning. But the infrastructure in and let the free market go to work.

  40. Martin

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    Oct 25th 2007, 12:38

    We all have the odd occasion that we use this site to vent or spew something out, lord knows I do it myself, but when I read a post full of bad language, that pretty much tells me the mentality of the poster, which is pretty base.

  41. gaustad

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    Oct 25th 2007, 16:16

    Martin - some of us just don't care

  42. UrbanBody

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    Oct 25th 2007, 17:31

    Wow, big surprise everyone: qaustad 'don't care.' That confirms he and other naysayers are the true problem.

    Baker doesn't have it right, but at least his flawed plan is comprehensive---something lacking from our elected/appointed officials.

  43. Crazed_da_Loon

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    Oct 25th 2007, 21:55

    Wow, I never laughed so hard at one of these threads like I did on this one! Gaustad you kill me, man.

    Baker, I'll float the bonds babe. Let's roll up our sleaves and get started this weekend, okay?

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