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  1. transplant

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    Dec 11th 2006, 10:28

    WOW!

    Those waterfront buildings are beautiful, the entire scene is.

    Just wow.

  2. mark

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    Dec 11th 2006, 10:39

    Where are all the surface lots?!? I refuse to accept this painting as Buffalo.

  3. stephenjames716

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    Dec 11th 2006, 11:14

    looks beatfiul...thanks for sharing.

  4. LA

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    Dec 11th 2006, 11:44

    makes me wanna cry... this city which once was...

  5. STEEL

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    Dec 11th 2006, 12:10

    makes me sad

  6. zenfur

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    Dec 11th 2006, 12:15

    Ah, don't be sad...close up, there probably was untreated sewage running down the alleys. There are definitely some perks not living in the 1880's.

  7. zenfur

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    Dec 11th 2006, 12:18

    PS...its an amazing painting, and I can't wait to see it! As always, glad to see original Buffalo art commissioned

  8. Daniel Sack

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    Dec 11th 2006, 12:28

    Dear "zenfur",

    And still today untreated sewage flows into the Buffalo River during heavy rains. Should we tear down what remains of Buffalo?

    Sewers run under streets, not buildings.

  9. Lou

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    Dec 11th 2006, 12:40

    Make this painting the development plan for our waterfront! Put everything back! EVERYTHING

  10. ExWNY'er

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    Dec 11th 2006, 12:47

    It's not just symptomatic of Buffalo to lose a waterfront like that. Many cities probably resembled that at one point. I bet NYC had that look at one point too. I've seen old photos and depictions of the San Francisco waterfrotn that is similar to this and doesn't exist anymore. I think Buffalo definitely went to the extreme in terms of changing everything, but is seems like some nice things are happening at the canal terminus to at least start to bring back that seaport feel.

  11. bz

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    Dec 11th 2006, 13:09

    Delightful depiction from the sky, in daylight. Ah, the nostalgic romance.

    Don't go down there at night, however-- Sherrif Grover Cleveland's aim at the time was to clean up the sewers that ran the blood of rough gangs in this area well known at the time to be the Barbary Coast of the East, home to some of the roughest characters in the country.

    There was more oil and bilge release running in the river than water at this bustling "every man for himself" period. Tests taken 20 years after the period represented in this painting showed even bacteria wouldn't breathe in it, and much more to the point it was totally, totally void of fish.

    The commerce and architecture of the period were both at their best, but n'ere see a lady walk the streets unless she was running her own commerce. The place and period makes for good paintings and good movies, but you probably wouldn't want your mom to join her friends for lunch down there.

    Fascinating though-- hope we can restore as much as possible, sans the local characters of the time.

  12. sbrof

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    Dec 11th 2006, 14:58

    and people that we we try to save too much and therefore impede progress. I say we have allowed progress to destroy our once beautiul city, not just in Buffalo but in all American cities.

    If this makes you sad please don't look at old images of Lafayette Square, the German Insurance building, the old police station, federal bank, German breweries or the library because it almost makes me think it's not worth it anymore. We already lost the war against our city.

    But in th end I get over it and go for a walk.

  13. Lou

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    Dec 11th 2006, 15:18

    we havent lost the war....in some ways our lackluster economy has preserved much of what remains..and allowed us time to rebuild the street grid, wharf and waterfront without big city developers creating these megaprojects.

    which is a huge reason why rebuilding our wharf, canal districts, south buffalo canal districts, harbor, street grids, etc....is so much more important than Bass Pro

  14. Ken

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    Dec 11th 2006, 15:32

    This is a really cool map of Buffalo from 1902 that you can zoom in on different sections and see a lot of detail.

    www.buffaloresearch.com/maps.html

    After going to this page, click on the link for "Map of Buffalo c.1902"

  15. Bob Averill

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    Dec 11th 2006, 18:58

    Thanks for all the kind words - I'm glad you enjoy the painting. It's important that we remember what we had and realize that there can be even better things ahead if we DO it and do'nt just sigh and pine...The painting was done with an eye for the future as well as the past! FYI - about 20% of the 100's of buildings in the painting are still standing..it's not really too late...Averill Gallery still exists, as well - we're now in Lewiston, New York

  16. queenseyes

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    Dec 11th 2006, 20:45

    Hello Averills! We miss you. Hope all is well for you and your wonderful gallery.

  17. Spandrel

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    Dec 11th 2006, 22:38

    We had a choice: we could have a dense, lively, pedestrian realm, or we could have ample, cheap parking. We chose wrong.

  18. fill

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    Dec 12th 2006, 12:42

    I think bz makes a good point; It is easy to get absorbed in sentimental visions of what used to be when the reality was quite something else. I have read that the Buffalo waterfront was actually more dangerous and worse than the Barbary Coast. Also, don't forget that all heating was done by coal at that time. The dirt, the soot and the odor in the air would be completely unacceptable to modern people. I lived in NYC (Chelsea) forty years ago when there actually was still a fair amount of soot in the air. The effort to keep an apartment clean was a daily fight.

  19. BfloTees

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    May 7th, 22:42

    You had me at untreated sewage.

  20. BfloTees

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    May 7th, 22:45

    You had me at untreated sewage.