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  1. xosder

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    Jun 4th, 22:33

    Welcome to the post-911 world. Money for more cops than citizens, who in turn are so saturated in our world that they worry about a bike on a bridge, and watch the cameras, cameras, cameras on Elmwood. What the fuck? Left is right, down is up. We let this happen. We should all be ashamed.

  2. KenS

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    Jun 5th, 14:32

    A couple of notes as I did a lunch time walk-thru of the site...

    1.There are parts of the ruins where there is a loose pile of brick(ruins closest to the Buffalo River). All last summer was spent making sure what remained was solidified in some manner. What this is supposed to be I don't know. PS There is no signage in the ruins describing what you are looking at. I'm not sure if it located somewhere else, but the signage belongs down by the ruins.

    2.The filtration system to keep the debris out of the canal doesn't work to well. Evem on a calm day like today, the debris was getting pushed out to about the halfway point and then circling right towards the back of the slip again.

    3. No food vendor cart in site and no bathroom facilities that I could see(unless they are letting the public use the naval park museum facilities).

    4.The weeds, out of control shrubs and dead shrubs are throughout the war memorial park. If I was a war vet, I'd be really pissed off. It is a shame that something nice like this park finally gets built and then it is not maintained at all.

    5.I hope the PT boat is scheduled to be refubished very soon. It is rotting at every turn and should not even be on display in this condition.

    6.More benches and a few picnic tables would be nice in the boardwalk area.

    7.I saw a guy walking his bike through the area and he did not seem to be in any distress over the posted rules.

    8.I already see rust spots on the bridge and the back of the commercial slip. Good to know that a quality product got installed.

    9.The Buffalo Place staffer was making the rounds picking up garbage. Good to see.

    All that being said, it's a nice place to take the kids and let them run around for a couple of hours while you relax by the water. I stood back by the Kelley Island Pumping Station(facing the Aud) and tried to visualize what it would look like when developed. Hopefully in 3-5 years, it will look dramatically different from today.

    Nice start...this project looks to have a bright future!!!

  3. sbrof

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    Jun 4th, 15:52

    just put up a sign that says.. no one is allowed to have fun or enjoy this space... Just stand there and look pretty for the camera..

  4. WholeLottaJibbaJabbah

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    Jun 6th, 10:30

    I actually thought it'd be cool to turn that area where they dug up the foundation to some of the Historic Buildings into a cocktail area, place some tall tables and chairs around. There is a Historic fire pit already there, and lit up at night it would be a nice place to go grab a drink. P.S. No bikes on the boardwalk is idiotic, until there are droves of people and business/retail down there making it impossible to ride. Until then the boardwalk should be open to bikers. Maybe not the bridge, I get that.

  5. benfranklin

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    Jun 5th, 07:45

    pbm, the newly posted rules, if I understand correctly, are for the entire area. If they pertained to just the bridge, I don't think anyone would have an issue. Thanks for letting us know how things work in a real city like Madison.

  6. allfit

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    Jun 4th, 22:39

    The "Central Wharf Plaza" (?) project is a never ending joke. What the hell is wrong with the developers and planners? Have they never stepped outside of Albany to visit cities with a real waterfront? Maybe we should send them on a taxpayer funded vacation (well, another one anyway) to cities with bustling waterfront projects that draw hundreds or thousands of residents a day. A waterfront development that includes attractions and family friendly activities, places to eat, swim, fly a kite, etc. This place is a perfect example of the mediocrity that we have grown to expect in Buffalo. What a joke!

  7. GDC

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    Jun 4th, 18:59

    Well, it would make sense not to ride a bike on a bridge made for walking. They just dont want anyone gettiing hurt or run over.

  8. Einstein

    3 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 15:46

    Do we really need to pay a security guard to police the "Whipple Truss Bridge"?

    Can someone add a note that says "Don't squeeze the charmin"?

  9. bfloghost

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    Jun 4th, 22:10

    there is one exception, you can ride historically correct bikes across the bridge.

  10. ecogeo

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    Jun 4th, 17:04

    I am a long time cyclist/mountain biker and have often been a bike commuter. I have lived in places with much more bike traffic and much more mixed traffic (pedestrians, bikes, cars in the same space). I have never been annoyed by so many bike riders and seen as many near accidents as I have in the last year or two in Buffalo. Equal rights should also mean equal responsibilities. This may be a little off of the bridge topic, but I do not think a few warnings or even tickets are such a bad thing right now. It would be a good wake up call that there are rules for everyone to follow before we have a bunch of bad crashes. There are many Buffalo cyclists that don't really show that they can be trusted to share the road or bridge.

  11. Hoss

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    Jun 4th, 20:37

    The bike/pedestrian path (also wooden) on the Brooklyn Bridge is about the same width. Thousands of people walk and bike it everyday. In peaceful harmony. Just lay down some yellow striping, and designate part of it for bikes and fruitbooters.

  12. BuffaloRox

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    Jun 4th, 17:09

    Here's a link to a good picture of the Whipple Truss bridge. It looks way too narrow to accomodate both riding and walking. There should be some bike racks so that people can lock their bikes and walk around.

    http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2986700860053478664cfyIfQ

  13. rydog71

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    Jun 5th, 08:02

    I am a cyclist, fisherman, grilling enthusiast and often a drinker but I see no problem with any of these rules. They are all meant to keep the area safe for all, just not bikers. What is so hard about understanding that.

    Nice job Newell. Encourage people to stop going there just because they won't let you ride your bike on the bridge or boardwalk. What happened to BR being about getting people out and enjoy the good things Buffalo has to offer? When did it become your personal crusade to get everyone in Buffalo to ride a bike? Please more real stories and less rants.

  14. Biniszkiewicz

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    Jun 4th, 22:39

    The bridge is too narrow to bike unless no one's around. But the boardwalk?

    In Ocean City, New Jersey bicyclists coexist with pedestrians on the long boardwalk. During busiest hours, no biking. Other times, stay in the appropriate lane. Pretty simple. Works well.

    Not that our boardwalk is long enough to make it any great hardship to walk or park your bike. Bike racks are a no brainer.

    But let's say the boardwalk is extended as Bass Pro, etc. come to fruition. Maybe the place becomes a sustainable draw, maybe it's a longer bigger deal than now. There's no reason not to attract cyclists if they don't interfere with pedestrians. We should be trying to accommodate as many users as possible. So long as there isn't a conflict, where's the harm?

    If crowds are large enough, pedestrians rule. Period. If 'crowds' are thin, let everyone coexist. Give the cyclists a destination to ride to. Why not? Who does it hurt? Give people as many ways to enjoy the benefits of Buffalo as possible.

  15. carl

    3 ratings12345
    Jun 5th, 18:26

    I think some one should go up with some clippers and simply cut that stupid sign down!

    How does any of that stuff hurt anyone?

    For cities to be enjoyed they sometimes have to be enjoyed in a myriad of ways, at the same time. They are trying to kill the project before it is even open. Just let people be!

  16. MJWorthington

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    Jun 4th, 21:16

    Somehow people are able to walk/bike/blade along the Amherst Bike Path and its thin bridges. If anything, a sign reminding to yield to pedestrians would be useful, but to out right ban everything is over bearing.

    What's so wrong about everyone enjoying the area and learning how to co-exist and show some self responsibility?

  17. JohnB

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    Jun 4th, 21:59

    I guess bikes must be 'super' methods of transportation. Sigh. Cyclists will gripe about being able to use the roads equally with cars and then whine about being considered vehicles by the DOT, having to follow same rules, etc... BUT now they say they are the same thing as a family walking, read multiple pedestrians. Whine. Guess BRO hipsters will never be happy eh Newell and Co?

  18. sbrof

    3 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 15:49

    so you need to take your rollerblades off and walk in your socks across the bridge.. I HATE these kinds of rules, no swimming, no biking, no breathing loudly.. can't we trust people to police themselves and stop the government from trying to be our parents. No spitting in public, no swearing...

    Irks my soul...

  19. sally

    5 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 17:00

    sbrof - using your own discretion = outta my way coing through, It is for pedestrians - period end of story

  20. bruja

    2 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 20:54

    Wow!! Again the voice of pampered Americans whining about having to get off their bike!!! Yeah! Let the struggle continue!! Fight the power!

  21. BuffaloTshirts

    2 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 20:38

    Seriously, no biking on the boardwalk? No fishing? Rollerblades must be carried? Lucky for us Buffalo Place doesnt handle the other parks in the city. Is this how other successful harbor fronts get people to visit? No biking or rollerblading? Wow, who really made up these rules and who was consulted? And whats the harm with fishing? The danger of someone getting stuck with a hook? Jesus, you have that danger on many streets in Buffalo, except they're called syringes and nobody seems to give two shitz about that.

  22. csc77

    2 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 19:15

    You people need to stop bitching and go fly a kite...oh wait, that's prohibited too.

  23. bruja

    2 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 20:56

    Wow!! Again the voice of pampered Americans whining about having to get off their bike!!! Yeah! Let the struggle continue!! Fight the power!

  24. benfranklin

    4 ratings12345
    Jun 5th, 00:02

    That sign will last less than a week. Two steps forward, one step back during this 'soft' opening. Why not come out and say it, "we really have no clue how to manage this asset....before we really open, we're going to put signs up (some as tall as four stories) that we really aren't commited to... and we'll make up some arbitrary rules as well...". Does this remind anyone of the red budget 'your parks are now closed'?

    Well, if the bureaucrats are into poorly brainstormed lists of 'don'ts', heres an equally poor list of, apparently, allowed behavior.

    Pogo sticking, unicycling and tricycling. Stilts, and going topless, bottomless, or lifeless. Frying food, especially anything thats been hunted, gutted, and cleaned right on the bridge (but no fishing). How about spitting, peeing, or holding a sayonce. Uncontrolled dogs on hundred foot ropes, and cats on no rope. Once he's out of jail, we encourage the guy from the 190 to bring some controlled substance, his wife, and a loaded gun, now that's fun. I guess we can smoke while riding our dirt bike, go cart, or four wheeler.

    Get real. Let's enforce real laws on real streets, where people with bad intentions act on innocent people. I think Marv Levy had a phrase..."over officious jerk"... guess that would fit the bureaucrat with the laminator. The idea of a recreational area is that people might, well, actually have fun? Can't help but think the Cellino and Barnes crowd has got everyone second guessing themselves to the point of doing nothing that has greater than one percent chance of causing a hang nail.

    What the hell, might as well put a toll on the little bridge, then we'll all feel right back at home.

    I'm glad I went down there on the first Saturday, about 7 AM, with my son. It was quiet, a few runners, a few bike riders, some people reading the historical signs. And believe it or not Mr. Bureaucrat, we had it all under control.

  25. mbhxam

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    Jun 4th, 16:09

    Seriously...Is it really that difficult to walk a bike over the bridge or down the boardwalk? My guess is there isn't room for pedestrians and bikers on the boardwalk just as there isn't room for both cars and bikers on the roads...i think all BRO people would agree...but maybe not.

  26. ToughintheStreets

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    Jun 6th, 10:27

    the nicest thing built in Buffalo in the last 20 yrs? Thats a stretch. How bout HSBC Arena? The Mansion on Deleware (does renovation count)? The FLW Boathouse?

    Are we certain that Buffalo Place made up these rules? That seems a little odd. Or are they just doing the upkeep?

  27. sbrof

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    Jun 5th, 08:58

    "If crowds are large enough, pedestrians rule. Period. If 'crowds' are thin, let everyone coexist."

    "Somehow people are able to walk/bike/blade along the Amherst Bike Path and its thin bridges. If anything, a sign reminding to yield to pedestrians would be useful, but to out right ban everything is over bearing."

    Worth hearing a second time. There is a over Cornelius creek that is MUCH thinner than this bridge... without such a sign and also without any problems. These rules only make people feel like they are unwelcome and that certain groups of people don't belong here.

    Lively boardwalks and downtown public spaces are places where everyone is allowed and the larger the variety the better. For some reason we have this suburban mentality around here that we need to separate uses and people all the time.

    Let people mix, have fun and actually enjoy our city.

  28. chris_h_23

    2 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 15:56

    Or how about a sign that says quit whining???

  29. fitbishop

    2 ratings12345
    Jun 5th, 09:58

    My girlfriend and I actually rode our bikes across it this past week competitively. I won.

  30. BuffaloTshirts

    2 ratings12345
    Jun 5th, 09:57

    Some of these rules will be short-lived. My assumption was the security guards would be there to protect the suburbanites from hoodlums. Who knew the hoodlums would be sporting rollerblades. Funny my brothers and I are traveling the Erie Canal on bike from Albany to Buffalo. I guess the last few hundred yards we'll have to walk to the finish line. http://bflotees.blogspot.com/2008/06/buffalo-t-shirts-hits-erie-canal.html

  31. allfit

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    Jun 4th, 22:41

    The "Central Wharf Plaza" (?) project is a never ending joke. What the hell is wrong with the developers and planners? Have they never stepped outside of Albany to visit cities with a real waterfront? Maybe we should send them on a taxpayer funded vacation (well, another one anyway) to cities with bustling waterfront projects that draw hundreds or thousands of residents a day. A waterfront development that includes attractions and family friendly activities, places to eat, swim, fly a kite, etc. This place is a perfect example of the mediocrity that we have grown to expect in Buffalo. What a joke!

  32. sally

    6 ratings12345
    Jun 5th, 09:38

    Looks to me like the people that want to ride bikes in a pedestrian only area are the same kind of self centered boobs that bring their dogs to the Allentown Art Fest or Taste of Buffalo.

  33. manski

    2 ratings12345
    Jun 5th, 09:17

    Ditto rydog71, you put it perfectly

  34. sbrof

    4 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 16:35

    Wouldn't it make sense to allow people to use their own discretion? If there are people on the bridge then a biker should yield by going around or walk the bike, if the bridge is open why shouldn't someone be allowed to ride across?

    As for bikes on the road that isn't even a discussion since both have the same and equal rights under the law to use of the road. Neither should be put above the other.

  35. sally

    6 ratings12345
    Jun 6th, 09:06

    Carl - you are one class act. Let's vandalize the nicest thing built in Buffalo in the last 20 years because you don't like the rules. What a jerk!

  36. RPreskop

    2 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 20:44

    Don't you know that the people at Buffalo Place along with our control freak local officials are just trying to protect us from our very own selves.

  37. RPreskop

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    Jun 4th, 19:59

    This is a good, viable way to tell many people to stay off the whipple truss bridge and not to bother visiting the canal harbor area. Tons of hard earned tax money spent on this project yet cyclists are not allowed to ride their bikes along with other uses either tightly controlled or prohibited. Our government officials have become real control freaks. They have forgotten that this is a free country and not a dictatorship.

  38. Buffalopundit

    1 ratings12345
    Jun 7th, 15:47

    Who the hell says "drat"?

  39. csc77

    0 ratings12345
    Jun 4th, 19:18

    You people need to stop bitching and go fly a kite...oh wait, that's prohibited too. While I agree that people need to be told to respect the rights of others all too frequently, I also feel that a sign like this one gives the entire area a very unwelcoming feel. Can you imagine visiting from the 'burbs, only to be told that your kid can't use his radio controlled car?

  40. pbm

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    Jun 5th, 07:17

    In real cities where a huge number of people use bicycles to commute, bikes are prohibited in many places, such as sidewalks. In Madison, WI, you will be ticketed by police officers if you are caught riding on a sidewalk. The cops would make a killing in Buffalo. People on bikes do not own the space where they ride. What's the big deal to get off the bike and slow down on a PED bridge?

  41. NateDrag

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    Jun 5th, 16:07

    atleast they let me take my dog there at all - last i checked i couldn't walk my dog at the erin basin marina - and no fishing? i think you need to let people actually connect with the water, not just look at it - and i thought a fishing store was going to be down there right? - and the bikes? i'm disappointed i can't ride on the boardwalk - i ride my bike a lot and it would have been a nice destination - all forms of transportation need to be taken into consideration ya know

  42. mbhxam

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    Jun 4th, 16:43

    Predictable response...

  43. rb66

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    Jun 5th, 13:27

    I think we can all thank sue happy America and the injury attorneys.

    I'm sure these rules were required by an insurance company.

  44. the_trooper

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    Jun 6th, 14:50

    What about non competitive sports?

    Sonds like "No fun" to me. Glad to see dogs are allowed on a leash. When we went there with my dog last week i Iwas just waiting for someone to tell me we had to leave.

  45. KenS

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    Jun 5th, 11:33

    So it is okay to run 3 or 4 across on the Erie Basina Marina Road(ignorant if you ask me), but you can't ride a bike on a boardwalk that wide?

    PS Don't blame the security guard for enforcing the rules, blame the knuckleheads who came up with the rules.

  46. DJB

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    Jun 4th, 15:55

    Lame - I rode my bike over it last weekend and wondered if it would become an issue. How about a bike rack so people can at least lock up their bikes?

  47. comptart_lws

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    Jun 4th, 17:36

    did I miss a post explaining the 3-lane (truss-divided) aspecct of this bridge? I can see that the truss makes it more interesting than just flat with rails on each side but, why is is divided? One would think that the intention was to promote safe co-existence of wheels and feet — don't "planners" discuss these things ahead of time? sheesh!

  48. icecreamsub

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    Jun 4th, 23:06

    in regards to rule #6......how would one define a competitive sport? ones that involve contact... or is hacky sack allowed? I'm sure its competitive in some circles....

  49. lauras

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    Jun 5th, 16:27

    I'm sooo in the dark. When was this bridge built? Yes, I work in the HSBC building but usually spend my time looking at the ice boom. Was it named Whipple after the Whipple Report?

  50. icecreamsub

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    Jun 4th, 21:37

    Buffalo Place also sponsors an alcohol free new years celebration downtown....which I've heard is fantastic....hmmm... but for some reason still sells beer at its Thursday at the Square concerts??? ($$$) I guess money is the answer here so maybe they could put up a toll for cyclists wanting to cross the bridge and all will be happy.

  51. KenS

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    Jun 6th, 08:50

    While flipping through a Buffalo Visitor Guide publication yesterday, I saw an ad for Canalside which included a website...

    http://canalsidebuffalo.com/

    The bad news...it is "under construction".

    The good news...it will have a message board. If the waterfront discussions here on BRO are any indication, that message board should be rather "lively".

  52. BuffaloTshirts

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    Jun 4th, 21:17

    Hey, Bruja, Im a fisherman first. And a motorist second. Happily, theres no rule about cars.

  53. chris_h_23

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    Jun 4th, 16:02

    Or how about a sign that says quit whining???

  54. BloCity

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    Jun 5th, 00:08

    i seriously doubt the longevity of this security guard.

  55. carlmalone

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    Jun 6th, 13:48

    Aren't blogs great. I can freely express my point of view whether it be right or wrong, moral or unethical and have no accountability. I say we blow the bridge up by dawn!!! That or tort reform

  56. InformedOne

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    Jun 4th, 17:58

    Government expenditures at its finest, no bike racks? What a crock of BS. I know who to write to get some installed. These funds are our tax dollars at work and public space should accommodate people arriving via all transportation options.

    What next "Keep off the Grass" don't walk into the wind? Please!

  57. GDC

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    Jun 7th, 12:03

    I'm sorry, but the rules seem to be Common Scense. This is a public area, yes, but geared towards as an attraction for everyone to enjoy and to not follow the guidelines can cause a problem when you think about what can happen when the area is busy with alot of people.

  58. allentwnguy1

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    Jun 5th, 01:03

    Perhaps a commission can be formed to look into building a span for bicycles! And maybe Menn can design it.