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  1. Joshua

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    May 20th, 12:27

    OK - This is proof that the streets on the West side of Main St saw an increase, what about the east side of Main St? Any stats there?

  2. markasaurus

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    May 20th, 12:30

    You can't take samples of four properties to make any sort of valid conclusion about real estate prices in an area, especially when one of the properties in the "before" group sold for $45,000. If you really wanted to make a comparison using such a small set of data you would need much more information about the sellers, the condition of the properties and the nature of the sales. If there was really that much demand in the area, I would expect to see more of your sample properties selling for significantly above their asking prices, which is clearly not the case when two of your four sold for approximately 5% below asking.

  3. sally

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    May 20th, 12:45

    The study? would only be valid of the same properties were compared and if you had significantly more transactions. You cannot draw any conclusions at all from this silly study were there only four transactions or did they cherry pick?

  4. DJB

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    May 20th, 12:52

    This is interesting, but to draw any conclusions from it is optimistic and idealistic. Everyone knows real estate is all about location, location and location. In Buffalo this doesn't only mean the specific street, but the exact block of that street. A 2000 square foot house on Depew Avenue is worth considerably more than one on Huntington or Sterling and they are all within a 1/4 mile. What were these properties worth in 2003? Simply stating their selling and listing prices 4 years later and comparing that to Buffalo in general does not prove that Granite Works is responsible. Did their assessments go up that much? Take 4 houses on Highland Avenue between Delaware and Elmwood and 4 on Breckenridge (within 1/4 mile) and you'll see similar results, even if you compared them at the same time. I don't doubt that the development has had positive effects, but these statistics are useless in proving that.

  5. GDC

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    May 20th, 13:22

    This IS only a survey on Two Loft Buildings. But, from my experience of the downtown scene (let's go back since '98). Only recently have I seen people walking thier dogs along Main Streets pedestrian mall (something that would have been rare just 5 years ago), more people with baby strolers all over downtown (seems like more than before), Places such as the downtown Library, Waterfront, Coffee Shops and so on just seemed busier (especially on the weekends) than just a few years ago. SO, my point is..look at downtown as a whole with all the new lofts/condos popping up around. IT IS CHANGING for the better.

  6. benfranklin

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    May 20th, 13:29

    A six unit apartment building, with 15000 yearly fixed costs, with rental rates at $300 per month, expecting a 10% return, is worth about 60 grand. Raise the rents to $550, and the same building is worth about $250,000. Same building at 750 per unit, is worth 540,000. This same property type, being about 5000 square feet, at 109 per square foot, gives you 545,000 (the amount expected in the chart above).

    This area has seen an increase in demand from 1.) medical complex 2.) people (for whatever reason) wanting to be downtown 3.) People looking to limit gas consumption (be closer to work). Landlords have responded by improving properties through increased investment (adding amenities that make units competitive).

    Including the units mentioned above, I am aware of 120 units in the area, of which... (amazingly) only two are vacant. Such demand will only increase rents, and increase property values. Nit pick all you like, and find fault with the study, but question the law of supply and demand at your own (portfolio's) peril.

  7. Joshua

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    May 20th, 14:13
  8. JohnMartin

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    May 20th, 14:34

    Might have been more interesting for Mr. Rondinelli to address the issues Peter Koch researched for Artvoice regarding the GraniteWorks development. $2MM in Community Block Grant money from HUD that was intended for low income housing was used in the First Amherst Development.

    http://artvoice.com/issues/v7n19/cover_story

    I'd suspect that people here don't care that First Amherst and the City abused the system and that the BRO crowd will collectively determine that "the ends justify the means". Of course, we can pretend none of that happened, stick our heads in the sand, and perpetuate this pay to play cronyism and corruption that permeates every single pore of Buffalo politics and development.

  9. sbrof

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    May 20th, 14:40

    GDC I totally agree. When I started visiting downtown on a regular basis about 98 - 99 as well there had been a huge difference. It literally was dead on the weekends and everyone was a part of the office crowd at least by their looks. I remember the first time I saw a jogger roaming the streets of downtown. That was probably a couple months after the first new housing started to go in. I thought.. well that is new.

    Now it really has continued to grow with people, families, tourists all over the place. I just rode through downtown last Saturday from my Apt in Allentown to the post office and there were many more people walking the streets than I thought I would see. There were tourists with luggage taking pictures around Niagara Square. Delaware avenue even down by church was downright busy with cars, people. Even Franklin street had a fair share of people wandering around and there isn't much to do on that street. I dunno certainly isn't he hustle / bustle that many people want but it is busier than I have ever seen it and continues to get better.

  10. reflip

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    May 20th, 15:10

    JohnMartin,

    The ArtVoice article was very valuable in that it addressed a major problem in Buffalo: the misuse of CDBG money.

    However, the example of the Granite Works is absolutely wrong. ArtVoice tried to sensationalize something that is completely mundane. The purpose of CDBG is not solely to build affordable housing. That is part of it, but not all of it. CDBG money was not "intended for low-income housing." It is supposed to be flexible. From HUD, regarding eligible activities:

    "Over a 1, 2, or 3-year period, as selected by the grantee, not less than 70 percent of CDBG funds must be used for activities that benefit low- and moderate-income persons. In addition, each activity must meet one of the following national objectives for the program: benefit low- and moderate-income persons, prevention or elimination of slums or blight, or address community development needs having a particular urgency because existing conditions pose a serious and immediate threat to the health or welfare of the community for which other funding is not available."

    The real outrage is in the 108 loans. Buffalo took out way too many 108 loans on projects that didn't sustain themselves, which means we're paying back those loans with our current CDBG money. For all their bitching, HUD could have said, "Hey Buffalo, we're not giving you any more 108s until you produce viable results." They didn't and now the city must use its CDBG money to pay back all these HUD loans. In this case, HUD acted like a subprime lender and Buffalo like an irresponsible borrower.

    Does anyone see the irony in this? Buffalo spent years borrowing against their future CDBG money in order to finance risky projects that ultimately went belly-up. Magic beans, as it were. Now, the City finally decides to use CDBG money to fund a successful project and HUD wants to nail them. What kind of bizarro world is this? You would think HUD actually wants to see the City fail. In this case, ArtVoice is complicit. They should have dug a little deeper and asked some questions of HUD as well. I don't know who is right and who is wrong here, but to pick on the GraniteWorks is misguided.

  11. sambo

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    May 20th, 15:48

    Great work Mr. Rondinelli, I'm sure this wasn't easy. It's great to see that the influx of people living downtown is having an impact on the economy. We can't forget about the impact that companies like New Era have had on the downtown. I'm not sure how many people Labbtt employs but it's comforting to see companies like this chose locations inside the city limits to set up shop.

  12. Rich_Uncle

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    May 20th, 17:52

    To answer the coments about sales on the east side of main street and how it was only 4 before and 4 after. No properties sold east on main in the study area and only 4 properties sold before and 4 properties after. There was no cherry picking. These are all the transactions.

  13. benfranklin

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    May 20th, 20:24

    To the issue of comparing 'same address sales', 450 and 452 Franklin were sold together, at the end of 2002 for a total of 130,000. The properties have been sold a number of times since. Most recently, the two sold for a combined amount of 384,000.

    As far as 'cronyism and corruption' being involved in every transaction... I'm pretty sure the buyer at 130,000 got it at city auction, which anyone could have attended. Funny how ..."why would a guy buy that..." in 2002 turns into "only insiders get those deals" when looked at in hindsight.

    As to other indicators, no parcel on Franklin has sold in over six months, the longest period since 1995. In my opinion that reflects owners being rewarded with higher returns on leasing/renting than what the market is prepared to pay for these buildings. When you see a building over 4000 square feet go for over $100 per square foot, you'd see a number of for sale signs pop up.