BP and Steel need to get a room already
icereamsub... I wont apologize if I communicate with ideas that are on a higher cognitive level that what you are accustomed to in everyday life. However, if you read and *thought* (emphasis added) about my comment ,maybe just maybe, you would understand.
However, typical BRO group think b.s. - attack the person but never discuss the idea. I will not fall for your sophmoric bait.
For those of us who do enjoy winter sports, having our little ski areas close by IS what makes Buffalo an attractable place to live. Being able to ski at HV helps me get through the winter doldrums. There aren't many cities that you can drive a little over an hour to get in an evening of skiing. The big mountain areas usually don't have night skiing either. I have met many people from areas of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Canada visiting HV. I don't know if many of them ever visit Buffalo, but at least they know what we are able to take advantage of around us. Our local ski areas are also a great place for children and families to learn how to ski before tackling the bigger mountains of the east and west. Skiing is still a sport I can enjoy being with my sons, even if it is just to ride up the lifts with them, as they now zoom by me on the way down!
Coolrobc - you are definetely right about that quad lift on Spruce being slow and also that the run is not all that exciting if you're a veteran skier or snowboarder but one of the reasons why HV got the rating it did is due to the fact that if offers a variety of runs for all skill levels which makes it a great place for a family to take their kids to get introduced to the slopes, not to mention the excellent Intro Board/Ski programs as well. If you don't like that run their are plenty of others well suited for the more seasoned skiers and riders. Yes this ain't Vale but nobody is trying to sell it as such, and it's interesting to find some many folks from Rochester on the slops as well. Even with the 1100 foot vertical of Bristol near Victor the resort has terrible a lodge and doesn't even have a small Ski vilage in close proximty; basically it's in the middle of nowhere. Skiers/Riders from Ontario, Cleveland, Pittsburg and Upstate NY come to HV for the whole package.
I hope I didn't imply that your'e rich, BackfromMaryland, but your own implication of Buffalo and "Third World poverty" is quite offensive. Go live in South Texas, in the Colonias along that frontier and then tell me that what you encounter in Buffalo bears any relation to "Third World poverty". Your further characterization of my writing as "antagonizing" is very divulgent. It reveals a person who prefers to be unchallenged. You don't ask the questions, do you? You just follow the pack. Yes, by all means, BackfromMaryland, please stay: Scooter needs a friend.
This is incredible exposure for Holiday Valley and is completely deserved considering all the snow making and lift enhancements they have made in the last 5 years; new this year is the Spurce Line run with brand new Spurce Lake quad lift, almost comparable to the Mardi Gras run except for the fact that the lift is not an express quad . I feel that WNY as a whole needs to wake up and start marketing our snow as much as possible, seeing it brings thousands into this region each winter season; many of which believe it or not are from up north in Ontario. Our local television media could do a much better job of presenting a more postive perspective of WNY winters; hard to believe but their are some... Typical post snowstorm coverage most of the time will consist of rehashing the same lame video clip of someone stuck in a snowbank on the Noon, 5:00, 6:00, and 12:00 news. Buffalo and WNY snow is a hot commodity and if your lucky enough timing wise to get the fresh lake effect powder it is not that far off in quality from the real deal out West. Cities like Salt Lake with ski resorts in close proximity such as Snowbird get over 500 inches of snow a winter season and the last thing they are doing is putting a negative spin on it; in my opinion this is in stark contrast to WNY. HV average snowfall is 180+ inches last time I checked and although the HV ridges are only 750+ feet, the lodge amentities, man-made snow, and excellent grooming make for a close, convenient,and more importantly quality ski get away. Weekend 8 hour passes will run you about $54, little steep but worth a good day on the slopes.
Thanks for the HV segment BRO, this is great news..
Ski Magazine Top 10 East/West Review http://www.skinet.com/skinet/resortfinder/resort_details/0,27051,716003,00.html
I read what you wrote, BackfromMaryland, and this is what you said:"..As a matter of fact, I have some perspectives on 3rd world poverty that make the situation in Buffalo just one of the many places facing this issue,and much of the money that I 'pony up'goes directly toward alleviating it."
What part of the above could be taken as anything a: other than a linkage of "Buffalo's situation" to that of the Third World, or b: a sort of 'white man's burden' attitude toward this city and other places you've immersed yourself in. As an "educator" you should attempt to write better so your points are clear. as a contributer to this thread, you should get off your high horse and discuss subjects like the above post about Ellicottville, without all the sanctimony. Who cares if you feel offended? Free speech isn't a doormat for those who feel entitled either by personal experience or social "ranking". It's for the good, the bad and the ugly. I'd like to go into your classroom and tell you what to teach and why you can't upset little Mervin in the corner.
Someone with your sophistication should be able to read articles and resist the urge to read COMMENTS.
It is an attraction for living in Buffalo. Do you know how many cities would love to be able to offer it's people a winter sport location such as this, along with the lake and river for boating in the summer months? I believe those knocking it, enjoy nether...
BackFromMaryland - Just curious why you'd stop reading this site if you like the articles so much but dislike the comments? You say I know that this will likely be among my last visits to this once-enjoyable and informative site
If you like the BR articles so much, why would you stop reading them and deprive yourself? Are you saying the comments are both bad and yet at the same time so irresistable to you that the only way to not read them would be to not read the site at all?
Also, regarding the comments - Yes or No, do you ever click Avoid User? If No, isn't that very inconsistent with your insistence that it's just a few commenters that cause most of your disgust? Why haven't you simply clicked to avoid them when it's so fast and easy?
Whenever I see the little green oval EV stickers I always mistake them for Ellicottville, not Elmwood Village. God I hate the concept of those things.....OBX always makes me think obnoxious before OuterBanks....oh well, Ellicottville really is something a lot of people take for granted around here....just like the world class Steelhead fishing within 40 minutes of metro Buffalo....not many places have these kind of luxary recreational outlets at their doorstep. We should promote this stuff as much as we do the cost of living or the great chicken wing eateries we offer
Wizardofza, having such a location and hotspot at our doorstep attracts people from other regions to ours. With additional marketing through our conventions and visitors bureau, we can promote the art, culturals, and architecture in Buffalo for a complete trip to the visitors. By promoting the region, we all benefit.
You know, as my screen name implies, I moved back to Buffalo a few years ago to continue my career here after living out of state for a while. BRO was one of the discoveries I made about a year ago that I really enjoyed. Up until recently. I'm sad to say that this site -- at least as far as the comments sections go -- has deteriorated into what so much of the internet has...stomping grounds for those with a surplus of time and a dearth of maturity. If this site wasn't dominated by a few apparently angry, rather annoying posters who seem to think the world is interested in their provincial (read "under-informed") outlooks on the world, it would remain one worth visiting. To those in positions to make decisions, please do everyone a favor and just delete the comments section, or at least have selective criteria for postings, much as many newspapers do. That's not "censorship". It's just discretion. I know that this will likely be among my last visits to this once-enjoyable and informative site.
Chocolateshake, you have great posts but your constant whining about how whitey is keeping the black man down is so 1970. Get over it and move on, my friend. If you can't succeed here with your fascinating intellect coupled with all of the MBE incentives offered by state and local gov, then it's not our fault. It's every man for himself out there, my hardly minority friend.
BTD... Im not telling you what to think - just asking you to think.
It's all a matter of perspective. I have a much different perspective than your own. No, it is not 1970, but I believe when the issue of race is discussed, there are some in this city that have yet to leap forward and join the rest of us in the new millennium.
One of the reasons I have left comments on BRO was to give a different perspective that this blog is desperately missing. The Tops Supermarket article whereas the author went to the Niagara St location to watch minorities shop really irritated me. I could not understand how decent and intelligent people could "publish" such an article and could not see that it was very patronizing. Consequently, it was only then that I actually began to leave comments, much to the annoyance of a few from the responses that I have generated.
A great city is one where people of different temperaments, talents and convictions can live side-by-side and respect each other. I believe Buffalo should aim to be such a city.
Many upper middle class Northeast Ohio residents have second homes and vacation cottages in Ellicottville and Chautauqua County. It's nearly impossible to watch television in Cleveland now without seeing a Holiday Valley or Peek 'n Peak commercial. There's a LOT of East Side suburban Cleveland money being pumped into the economy of the Southern Tier.
Unfortunately, few in Cleveland know what lays beyond just 45 more minutes away in Buffalo. While during the summer months, commercials touting tourism in Michigan and, of all places, Detroit, fill the airwaves in Cleveland, there is no promotion of the Buffalo area .
BackfromMaryland, looks lik you brought Maryland's crabbiness back with you. I like the idea of this site becoming an exclusive club for those like you that want to filter out everything that tarnishes your experience. BRO will of course need some money from you to keep going, but I'm sure you'll be only too happy to pony up.If not, ask your doctor for a drug called Stellazine. It will filter out everything for you...in fact, 20mgs might be enough to make the nearest light socket the most entertaining and enriching spectacle for about the nex twelve hours; almost as good as a STEEL post!
BackFromMaryland... someone with your sophistication should be able to read articles and resist the urge to read articles. Are you just annoyed to acknowledge that there are living, breathing individuals who have a different point of view?
Good point Icecream... however, unlike a private institution such as a country club, E'ville is a public place. It's exclusively white and wealthy. That was my point - and thus further evidence that the base of BRO is for white wealthy residents of Elmwood Village... BRO has evolved into a shopping guide for that select audience.
I don’t know whether to take Chocolate Shake’s comments seriously…they are so absurd.
People have way to much time on their hands. I figured the "Troll" post would just turn a bunch of site visitors into self proclaimed main post police. Can't we just move on? Watch out, something is grey! Please continue the good work of making sure everything is impossibly black or white and pointing it out in at least 50% of the comments when it never is.
The 55 miles is closer to Buffalo than any other of those cities. All those Canadian visitors pass thru Buffalo. All this post says is it could used by the BCVB to market staying in the area longer to visitors or make them stop altogether.
I taught snowboarding at HV for 6 years and enjoyed it. A couple trips out east and west ruined it for me pointing out our severe lack of vertical. Though I still enjoy going down for the festivities and atmosphere throughout the year and hitting the slopes a couple times each year. Its a nice benefit to living in the area.
Any story about a Buffalo Niagara town in The Buffalo News is a big deal, so let's celebrate!
Pundit - you are a bore.
Actually, Steel, I care little about what you find monotonous. Your constant whining about my posts is equally monotonous, and one wonders why you continue to engage me if I'm soooo monotonous.
Also, language matters. Write what you mean in a way that makes your point clearly.
My earlier post regarding a regional view was written with genuine hope that a light bulb had flickered on over there where someone thought, "you know, there's a lot more to living in Buffalo than just Buffalo". I find it to be a poignant irony that many of the people who responded in defense of BRO, pointed out that very same fact.
Also, I do have a site, thanks for mentioning it, and I go into more detail here.
You haven't attacked me? I'd beg to differ very strenuously, but I guess we can instead settle on "ridicule and insult". Not the same as attacking, but close enough. So I'll just reply by saying you're among the more petulant of the many children on this site, and most (if not all) of your comments are hardly distinguishable in tone from the ones you so strenuously criticize from the likes of damp, gaustad, wizardofza, and others.
Once again, the redoubtable STEEL proves his innate superiority: he has now achieved two dimensions.
whoaaaaaaa what happened to being hyperlocal?!?!!? dont you want ski country to move downtown?
snotnose - That's a pretty big doorstep of 55 miles, but I agree with a regional outlook so I have no problem with it. No doubt soon there will be positive BR coverage of the recent new retail openings at Galleria, the new engineering building construction announced for UB North Campus, the upcoming expansion of Seneca Niagara Casino. All will attract people from other regions to ours, so we all benefit.
well i can honestly affirm that this article makes sense. i am a buff native who lived in colorado for some time. i am a passionate boarder & traveler. in colorado they sell what is called the "colorado pass" (fitting huh?) for co residents. you get unlimited access to a-basin, breck, keystone, vail and aspen. while i lived in breck and spent most of my time riding there, my company headquarters were in aspen. spending time in aspen/ snowmass felt like a nice mtn wasted with crowds of yuppies, overpriced EVERYTHING and oh yeah, good luck finding a parking spot. HV has come a long way! remember those old lodges that felt like an-unrenovated barn? of course, there's still work to be done, but we've also had some iffy seasons in recent years. it's great to see them investing in the property so we can all have some fun. if you haven't been there recently, take a drive... it's worth it whether you ski/board or not. the town is nice (even housing some breweries) and people watching in one of the lodges by the fire places with a good book could be good for the soul. for coolrobc- don't be such a debbie downer! patience is bliss and riding the spruce quad can give you a chance to think of something nice to say...
E'Ville should not be classified in the same category as "the suburbs" of Buffalo. Most visitors to this town see the upscale ski and condo culture that has ballooned there in recent years, but there is a much bigger (and older) picture down there. My extended family was raised there and I spent summers playing outside before it became the "in" place for wealthier people from WNY, Ohio, and Canada to build fancy ski chalets. There's a lot more to the town than the tourism culture, and a lot to be learned about a small, cohesive community that functions with decency and goodwill.
All that said, Ellicottville is now a regional attraction that does excellent things for the quality of life in Buffalo. To decry this article because it isn't about the urban core of the city is shortsighted and narrow minded. I'm torn on this. I'm happy for the publicity for the local businesses; on the other hand, I fear the increased influx of hi-falutin' fancypants into this (still) comparatively innocent community.
While I wait for avalanche-plagued Wolf Creek Pass to reopen, perhaps I'll nip by and cut some ropes.
The reasons for living in Buffalo or WNY are far more than just what happens inside the city boundaries. Sure I think the site started up as a pro-buffalo site, and it still serves that function, often giving light to developments, restaurants and shops that most people in WNY don't know about.
With the growth of readership that BRO experienced it only makesa sense that you expand a little bit to regional issues. Especially those that either promote or detract from the region, including Buffalo.
Either way this is good press for the region (including the city)
Does this post herald a new era in Buffalo Rising history? Does this mean that the suburbs will no longer be ignored and/or vilified? Is the definition of hyperlocal being expanded to include the entire region? Is there a sudden, tacit acknowledgment that all of WNY sinks or swims together?
Or is this a one-off because, as others say, Ellicottville is considered acceptable by the EV oval sticker set?
Also, 60 miles down the 219 is a far cry from "outskirts".
Wow all the predictable drivel posts from the usual one dimensional characters. Also Its getting boring Pundit. You post more on here than on your own blog. Its Newell's site. I think he can post what ever he likes without your approval.
When I was a member of the UB Ski Club I always loved when the bus turned onto the Main Street and the slopes were lit up through the snow in the distance. The snow falling around the little white church with the with the lights beyond is so magical at night. It has an idyllic quality.
Wow all the predictable drivel posts from the usual one dimensional characters. Also Its getting boring Pundit. You post more on here than on your own blog. Its Newell's site. I think he can post what ever he likes without your approval.
Thanks for paying such close attention to my posting habits. I'm flattered.
Actually, tell me what makes it drivel to point out that 55 miles does not equal "outskirts"? Do words not matter?
This place sure is a lot different now than it was before about March of 2007. But not because of the comments that annoy you. Also - why are you busy defending Newell? I'm pretty sure he can handle my BS on his own. MYOB.
Also, Perry - that's the New York Times. Not the Buffalo News. Good job, anyway.
Where does this article mention anything about living in Buffalo? If you reread the piece it only mentions Buffalo twice and pegs Ellicottville ski country as an asset to many surrounding regions as far and wide as Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Rochester in addition to Western New York.
ooooooh lookie, Buffalo got mentioned in the NYT again! That must mean the city is on its way back!
But opps...looks like posting this story breaks the "one block rule"...I guess regionalism only works when it involves gingerbread houses and yuppie culture found outside the city limits.
Dan...good comments...thanks for getting this thing back on track.
Buffalo should take out a billboard in Ellicottville with a big arrow pointing North to let everyone know how close we are and promote the area. All the visitors from Cleveland and Pennsylvania enter from the south and probably don't realize how close they are to Buffalo. Holimont has a great sign entering town that has a simple arrow that points up letting travelers know they are looking at their slopes and not Holiday Valley. Buffalo's billboard could have an aerial view of the southern Tier mountains (hills) with the Buffalo Skyline inflated in it. Arrow and 60 minutes. It'll be 45 minutes if they complete the 219.
BackFromMaryland -
Dont make any promises you can't keep.
What life experiences did you gain in Maryland that make you so well informed?
Is this your claim to fame.....Maryland? Have you lived anywhere else? What can you apply to help Buffalo escape poverty?
And don't pull a Steel and answer my question with another question......becase you don't have an answer!
If the Times reporter associated Ellicottville it was to try and give the average Manhattanite a frame of reference to where in the world it is located. I highly doubt many actual residents in Buffalo could find Ellicottville, nonetheless, have been there.
A better story would have been how Ellicottville and Buffalo should establish public transportation between this regional resort to encourage more Buffalo people to visit. However, I doubt many in Ellicottville want kids from the West or East Side running around their streets. How would they react to the poor and people of color rubbing shoulders with the powder puffs? Ellicottville is exclusive place in that it is limited to those with autos and an expensive place to eat, drink and ski - let's be crystal clear and honest. Ellicottville is no different from the way STEEL's "evil" Galleria Mall used limited access to prevent people from the City from venturing into the "land of the crabapple."
And ECB will argue with a straight face that BRO isn't directed solely for affluent whites that reside in the Elmwood Village? However, I hope she proves me wrong and does articles about the entire region and just not the areas that are off limits to almost 90% of city residents!
PS STEEL aren't you tired of attacking Buffalo Pundit? It seems like you no longer even attempt to challenge his ideas but rather just make low blow personal shots. How very 1986 Cansisius High School of you!
Ellicottville isn't a suburb. It's growth didn't involve class segregation, and it didn't leave Buffalo as the de facto poorhouse for the area. There is a long history of legitimate friction between city and suburbs. Putting it all down to "Elmwood snobbery" or whatever misses the point.
Thanks for the story, BRO. It looks like our little secret (Buffalo Ski Country) is getting out. I have sent along the NYT links to a few friends outside of the area that love to talk about their "weekend" ski trips. They scratch their heads when I mention my evening jaunts and day trips.
Unfortunately, I am still afraid to send the BRO link along. The troll posts on this site continue to poison a good thing.
Pundit,
Read my post again. The second half was directed at you. Your constant whining about what BRO's rules is really getting monotonous. You have a site of your own. Make it what you so want BRO to be.
Chocolate,
"Evil" Galleria mall Those are your words not mine. Please don't assign them to me. Also I have never attacked BuffaloPundit.
BTW...one of the many resons I enjoy reading BRO is that they're actively dispelling these ignorant assumptions about Buffalo that people like Shake spew out on a daily basis...In addition, E'ville is just as much part of the Buffalo metro area as Jamestown, Olean, Lockport, ect. Buffalo television, Buffalo Radio, Bills Fans on Sunday.
Gaustad -
I haven't made any promises and I haven't made any claims to fame. Maryland is hardly a claim to fame. But living somewhere else has given me some objectivity and perspective about the situation in Buffalo; that was my point. To answer your question, yes, I have lived and worked in other places, including five other countries at various times over the past ten years. This is not (as Mr. Rising Damp seems to imply) because I am made of money. As a matter of fact, I have some perspectives on 3rd world poverty that make the situation in Buffalo just one of many places that is facing this issue, and much of the money that I "pony up" goes directly toward alleviating it.
With regard to the comments section, it is no surprise that the three posters who seem most indignant about the possibility of someone filtering their antagonizing, impulsive comments are the first ones to respond to this. I don't mean to offend you guys/gals and I'm not looking for an "untarnished experience". It would just be nice to be able to have a decent experience/discussion that isn't often so predictably "enhanced" by your antagonizing comments. Again, not asking for censorship, just some discretion. But one has to pick his battles and I don't have a ton of time to devote to a pissing contest over this matter...besides, it is the editors who will make the decision anyway. We've made our opinions known.
Buffalo is over 50 miles away. What is ignorant is that eisenm11 acknowledges that E'ville is a great place but gets all tense when the thought of increasing access between these two very public places is mentioned. I think there has been almost universal acceptance that a weakness of the Buffalo-Niagara is that it is both economically and racially segregated - I think MJWorthington made a rather eloquent and smart case on this during a spirited thread on Cansisius High School by STEEL.
Hell, even those I know who not only go to E'ville on a regular basis but have second homes down there have scratched their heads and wondered why there are not more transportation links between these two areas. When I mention the arbitrary term 90% of people who have limited access, I argue that people like to both ski and drink have limited options of traveling between both destinations safely. What can be said with certainty is the E'ville is rather remote and thus access is an issue when promoting this area to a City that is over 50 miles away.
What is wrong by yearning to expand the participation of winter sports (skiing, hockey, skating, etc.) to African Americans and Latinos? I think it would be a great idea to get kids out of some of the depressing conditions of the Broadway Fillmore area and expose them not only winter sports but also rural WNY. I had cousins that had never seen a cow until they went away to college in Central NY.
What turns people off about the comments section is that people like eisenm11 attack people and not ideas. Why do you fear competition in the marketplace of ideas? Arrogance and a disregard for different points of views of other does not serve you well.
Again, I will not apologize for having a different perspective. I'm still curious how I have had "ignorant assumptions" that I "spew" on a daily basis. I agree that "Jamestown, Olean, Lockport"... etc. are indeed very important parts of the metro region. If anything, as a city resident, I have argued that it as important to promote the downtown Jamestown as Lockport ... However, the policy of BRO is in disagreement with us - they have, until now, limited coverage to anything outside the political boundaries of Buffalo for what they believe are legitimate and practical purposes. I understand they have limited time and resources and thus that policy. Others have been critical of that policy. While in disagreement with that fundamental limitation of the scope of the reporting, I understand and respect their finite limitation to coverage.
Please read and think.. just because I have a dissenting opinion does it justify such a negative knee jerk reaction? Can not reasonable people disagree without being disagreeable? You have a blessed afternoon.
Actually, Rising Damp, if you knew anything about me whatsoever, you would know that your antagonizing, impulsive comments in your most recent post are also completely off base. My entire personal and professional life is far from the beaten path, but you wouldn't know that, because as usual, you are writing based upon assumptions. For you to say that I don't like to ask questions, or to be questioned, is very ironic considering my daily life is centered on these two very things as an educator.
As for your statement about poverty, if you had read what I wrote more carefully, you would see that I was in fact CONTRASTING third world poverty and that found in Buffalo, not lumping them together. My point was that poverty is relative, and that my perspectives on this, having worked directly in, with, and for people in developing nations, give me some objectivity about poverty in Buffalo. And yes, I am quite well aware of -- and familiar with, having worked there within the past year -- the situation along the border with Mexico. Specifically in the region you mention, actually. I wonder if we know each other. Wouldn't that be ironic.
Weren't we talking about Buffalo? Sorry, everybody. Just had to respond to this. I know it's off topic.
Thanks, @Perry. I always value the opinions of anonymous dung-hurlers like you.
The New quad chair was built to service the new hills and also to get access to the spring lake area that is going to be developed. Ski in /Ski out houses.
What's that gausted?? BackFromMaryland isn't doing his part to alleviate poverty in Buffalo??? And we were all counting on him ....
your right ellicottville is not so much a suburb of Buffalo BUT IT IS VERY MUCH ONE OF THE SMALL RURAL TOWNS WITHIN BUFFALOS METROPOLITAN AREA (I would put jamestown in the Buffalo metro area too).
I dont know why Rochester always has to be included in articles about Buffalo. Buffalo is most definitely not included in articles on Rochester.
Ellicottville is another growth center and if the GBNRTC was really doing their jobs then they would be considering reactivating commuter rail to Niagara Falls and Ellicottville.
Wow! This is like ... what? A soap opera? A reality show? A train wreck?
That was a great article. I am a skier and have spent quite a bit of time in Ellicottville over the last twenty five years. I was down last saturday and got talking to a few of the locals at the Gin Mill. Its a neat place where you find all types of people, uppity well dressed Canadians, snow boarder dudes, local residents, I even ran into a couple politicians that were hoping someone would recognize them. THe neat thing about it is nobody cared. I even ran into my sister who I had no idea was down for dinner with friends (only one of the four is actually a skier). Back to the locals...They were mentioning how difficult it is to be able to buy real estate. They fear their kids won't be able to settle there unless they move to the outskirts (Great Valley or Little Valley). They mentioned that a lot of the locals aren't complaining about selling there life long homes and retiring on the proceeds. I spoke with a Realtor who said you can't touch a dump in the village for less than 250k.
Ellicottville is one of the great assets of living in Buffalo. Ellicottville is what gets me through the winter. You can constantly ski. I ski out west and recognize that it is different in many ways (size of the hills, powder vs packed) There are very few cities that you can get to a ski resort in under an hour (its 55 minutes from EV to Eville). Even in Denver it takes over 2 plus hours to get to the ski areas. NYC is at least 3 hours to the closest hill. Many friends I know who live else ware are lucky to get a ski weekend in each year, and it usually involves flying some where and renting an expensive condo.
Hey shake...90% of the people in Buffalo can't make it down to E'ville? Do you have a link for that or are you just throwing out ignorant assumptions and stating them as facts?
CS -- I agree with your opinion on Ellicottville, but not with your opinion on BRO. There is plenty of coverage of non-yuppie stuff here -- east side, south buffalo, black rock, etc. If you were to watch the local news or read the paper, you'd get the impression that these places didn't exist apart from the occasional crime story.
Can we get funding to install a quad on the Skyway? Let's get some lawsuits going.
Steel - "predictable drivel posts from the usual one dimensional characters", yeah I am defintely not a wordsmith compared to other prolific commentators on BRO and wouldn't even try to aspire to be. As long as HV got some great PR that is all that matters to me. ChocolateShake - "Ellicottville and Buffalo should establish public transportation between this regional resort" I wonder if the Adams Mark and other downtown hotels could possible create winter packages with local bus tour companies which could be marketed to our northern neighbors as well.
The spruce quad sucks, it takes more time to get to the top than it does to ski back down, and it's not all that intersting a run.
Until they buyout Holimount it's a big waste of money IMO. IF/When that happens I hope they upgrade it to a high speed lift.
Otherwise, it's cool for the region to get some press.
Choc Shake - what's wrong with being economically exclusive when it is involves recreational activities? If you can't afford it you don't go. It's not a right that everyone should be able to go skiing in EV.......its pretty simple.....I don't have a hissy fit because I can't afford the initation fees at an area country club...Should I hold a grudge against the Bahamas because I can't afford to take my family there on vacation?.....what's your take on that?.....or that the Chop House overcharge their steaks........you're damn right they're keeping out the poor people....that's part of the what makes it a fancy restaurant.....and do you actually like places where kids are running wild in the streets..?..
Orlanmon - I rarely ski anything more than beginner trails. Unless they're going to use that lift to access Holimont, I really think it's going to wind up being big waste. The people I spoke to on other lifts (a couple from Cleveland, another from near Toledo) complained about the lift and the few trails it allows access to. I hadn't even checked it out until after that, and I had to agree with the complaint.
Maybe it was the way the wind was blowing, but it was also the windiest and coldest lift I was on that day. It was nice to ski on a pretty much empty slope, but the slow speed of the lift is just crazy. Maybe I'm just spoiled by all the high speed lifts they have.
I was happy to find Holiday Valley after I moved here. It certainly lacks the vert, but IMO it otherwise rivals the resorts I learned to ski at in VT. I haven't skied KB in since the first year I I moved here.
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