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  1. chris69

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    Jan 4th, 00:09

    dare I beat a dead horse! approaching 50,000 daily riders with the extension of Light Rail to amherst/lockport approaching 6 million in Niagara Falls and with the expansion could it approach 12million? Buffalo Niagara International Airport approaching 6 million

    whats it doing to take to understant that we are hemmorhaging blue collar factory jobs and if we dont connect the few remaining engines in this region then we are going to be devastated if this city/region takes a major hit economically.

  2. vgs

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    Jan 4th, 06:37

    I think you forgot Cityview's planned project at Genesse Village (or whatever they are calling it)

  3. snotnose

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    Jan 4th, 07:41

    Here are a couple of questions that relate to two notes made in this post.

    1. Why has the city allowed Paladino to move on new projects such as his Waterfront Village development when he has decaying property that he has yet to remedy (the Graystone)? It would seem that the city should hold developers accountable for decaying properties by not allowing any other development to occur until those projects are at least in the planning and implementation phases.

    2. If Paladino has enough capital for the Waterfront Village project, why hasn't he come up with money to finalize his big dreams for the Graystone?

    Too many conflicting visions here.

  4. urbansoul

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    Jan 4th, 07:48

    Project that could single-handedly continue the Delaware Avenue rebirth: Marc Croce's 204 Franklin project. When will SOMETHING happen with this?

  5. Jas

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    Jan 4th, 08:06

    Snotnose is absolutely right, the city needs to hold these slumlords accountable! Here's more photos of Croce's property.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jas23/350865022/in/set-72157594468045421/

  6. nonono

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    Jan 4th, 08:10

    Is it really acceptable for BR to continue to give major coverage of our local development over to a writer who admittedly lives on the 'west' coast. His 'perspective' would be perfectly quaint and mildly amusing were it pertaining to our charming and historic architectural past.....but really.....could we get some boots on the ground here already? Someone with a day to day knowledge of the city, developers, and possibly an inside track to news- rather than someone who is regurgitating satellite overhead images and developer press releases? Disgracefully insulting to BR readers..... well, strike that....insulting to thoughtful readers in general.

  7. Charger

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    Jan 4th, 08:22

    WCP actually has excellent contacts in the Development and Real Estate communities, and great intelligence on what is happening, and about to happen, in Downtown. Where he lives is irrelevant. What's important, and appreciated, is the time he spends tracking leads and writing stories. This is the 21st Century and whether you're calling or sending e-mail from the West Coast or the West Side makes absolutely not difference.

  8. bfloMatt

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    Jan 4th, 09:09

    "Is it really acceptable for BR to continue to give major coverage of our local development over to a writer who admittedly lives on the 'west' coast. His 'perspective' would be perfectly quaint and mildly amusing were it pertaining to our charming and historic architectural past.....but really.....could we get some boots on the ground here already? Someone with a day to day knowledge of the city, developers, and possibly an inside track to news- rather than someone who is regurgitating satellite overhead images and developer press releases? Disgracefully insulting to BR readers..... well, strike that....insulting to thoughtful readers in general."

    There's not a person here on BR that can tell me they have more contacts and more knowledge about ongoing developmnets, developers, and Buffalo than WCP, (in addition to Queenseyes). Since you are offended by his incredibly accurate report on Buffalo development, could you, a citizen of our city, write us troubled BR readers something better?

  9. xosder

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    Jan 4th, 09:19

    The flaw with the Greystone is the structural system, as the developer found out. The system is unusual inasmuch as almost every single interior existing partition wall in the building is a bearing wall. As such, as a developer, you are essentially stuck with an outdated floor plan and a bunch of partitions that can't be moved. Certainly, the floors could be removed and reframed, while the facade remained, however when you run the numbers it really makes no sense from an investment standpoint.

  10. JoeS

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    Jan 4th, 09:32

    I just love a good laugh in the morning.

    Any regular reader knows that WCP has more "day to day knowledge of the city, it's developers and THE inside track on news regarding local development than anyone in town or out of town. I rarely detect an opinion in his writing, usually just facts, and he often quotes developers, which leads me to believe that he actually CALLS them to get his info.

    I believe that many of the "regurgitated images and developer press releases" pertain to projects that WCP wrote about BEFORE the actual press release. That would mean that he BROKE THE STORY! That's called NEWS. Writers sometimes get news from SOURCES. The telephone and Internet allow writers to contact those sources from such remote areas as the west coast or even THE SUBURBS.

    Attack a writer if you disagree with an opinion or a false fact (like I'm doing now) but attacking them because of where they physically write from just makes no sense to me.

  11. SLEEPL8

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    Jan 4th, 09:52

    I am building an 82 story office tower in my back yard. I broke ground yesterday. It will be complete on June 3rd of this year. It is 100% leased. It will have underground parking with first floor retail. It will be mixed use with offices, a hotel, and condominiums which sold for $1.5mil each. It is connected to downtown by light rail....oh and there will be a UB campus in it as well. I am currently beind sued by Tim Tielman and the old lady next door and the Seneca Nation of Indians....oh and a flock of birds has threated a suit and has threatened to poop on me while I dig. My dog is mad at me too.

  12. SLEEPL8

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    Jan 4th, 09:54

    I may add a convention center and football stadium in 2009. WCP will keep you posted.

  13. zen

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    Jan 4th, 10:00

    That's a daunting number of how's, will's and if's, does anyone else have a headache from considering all of those? And what exactly is going on with the Graystone?

  14. nonono

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    Jan 4th, 10:05

    sorry if I roused the ire of your small circle of loyal sycophants.

    both of WCP's recent writings are like most of his others, a laundry list of information fed to him by developers with little probative value. Bass Pro being a great example, a solution in search of a problem, a juggernaut of urban waterfront planning that is a cozy and reprehensible deal cooked up after some rounds of badly played golf and too much liquor by a bate and tackle flim flam man, a faux food manufacturer, and a redundant city, state, and county government eager to spend our tax dollars on corporate welfare while crying the abuses of medicaid in new york state.

    art space, touted as housing for 'artists' has broadly widened its criteria for application so that practically anyone can live there....another tax subsidized development deal, to the toon of 285,000 per unit!

    {edited due to unsubstantiated, slanderous accusations}

    shame on all of you for contributing the hot air to float this lead Zeppelin of self serving deception and chicanery.

  15. Joshua

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    Jan 4th, 10:08

    JoeS - right on. Chris is a great guy and a true Buffaloian at heart. Yes, he's on the "west coast," but sometimes you have to go where the jobs are. I'm sure that if Chris had an opportunity to come back to Buffalo, I'm sure he'd be back, (although palm trees and orange sounds good right now).

  16. mjman4

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    Jan 4th, 10:22

    well if it take someon from the left coast to point out what the hell is happening here...then so be it! Also..nonono..i think the majority of our population don;t care about developers dirty laundry, just as long as "stuff" happens...

  17. mjman4

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    Jan 4th, 10:24

    also...if palidino would have hired an architect or at the very least a structural engineer, the roof would not have collapsed...he is a cheap bastard....and it bit him in the butt.

  18. BROKEEPSBLOCKINGME

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    Jan 4th, 10:33

    someone woke up with a stick in their ass

  19. gaustad

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    Jan 4th, 10:45

    THIS IS TOOOO FUNNY!

    "I am building an 82 story office tower in my back yard. I broke ground yesterday. It will be complete on June 3rd of this year. It is 100% leased. It will have underground parking with first floor retail. It will be mixed use with offices, a hotel, and condominiums which sold for $1.5mil each. It is connected to downtown by light rail....oh and there will be a UB campus in it as well. I am currently beind sued by Tim Tielman and the old lady next door and the Seneca Nation of Indians....oh and a flock of birds has threated a suit and has threatened to poop on me while I dig. My dog is mad at me too."

  20. Spaulding97

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    Jan 4th, 10:56

    Way too many if's and questions about the new year. Unfortunatly, going into 2007, we had almost the EXACT same questions and if's.

    I do know, that it would be a tragedy if UB demo's the Trico. Hopefully this is the year things get done and even more projects are announced.

  21. AtwaterLouse

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    Jan 4th, 11:29

    Expect those same kinds of questions to linger well past 2008. The long term trends we're still experiencing make progress on many of those very difficult.

    The life sciences sector is one possibility for helping to break out of those trends of economic decline and stagnation. It's far from a sure thing success, and countless cities worldwide are making very serious efforts with similar focus. Very competitive. Demo-ing the Trico will be fine if it's determined that a new modern specialized building is the most likely to fuel long term sustainable growth of the BN Medical Campus. UB should decide based on the merits.

  22. RisingDamp666

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    Jan 4th, 11:58

    If the Graystone, with all of its "interior load-bearing walls", were in NYC, it would be worth $150 million. It should be worth it to someone to stabilize and recondition the structure and rent it out. The floorplans may not be ideal, but for the right money, people would be willing to live in this baby.

    The Trico is loaded with possibilities but that build-out could cost upwards of $1 billion, depending on its best and highest use. Life sciences is that but what an expensive commitment. Is the State of New York prepared to put that kind of money into this? Bass Pro is one thing but this is the real opportunity for Buffalo.

  23. BroadwayFillmoreAlive

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    Jan 4th, 12:31

    WCP...nice post...great overview of what is going on dountown..

  24. RaChaCha

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    Jan 4th, 13:18

    At the risk of engaging in hagiography, I've always found WCP's posts a highlight of BRO. I still have a hard time fathoming how he can stay so plugged in to the Buffalo development scene at such a distance, and still remember how surprised I was to find out that for WCP 'West Coast' means *Pacific* Coast - not Lake Erie Coast.

    The development coverage on BRO is outstanding - we have nothing remotely comparable in My Fair City - and I often find myself pointing planning and development folks here to the articles. The new year and today's article present a perfect opportunity to thank WCP and BRO for your thoroughly professional efforts to keep those of us who love Buffalo in the know. I have no doubt that 2008 will provide you with plenty to cover.

  25. bfloMatt

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    Jan 4th, 13:20

    "sorry if I roused the ire of your small circle of loyal sycophants.

    both of WCP's recent writings are like most of his others, a laundry list of information fed to him by developers with little probative value. Bass Pro being a great example, a solution in search of a problem, a juggernaut of urban waterfront planning that is a cozy and reprehensible deal cooked up after some rounds of badly played golf and too much liquor by a bate and tackle flim flam man, a faux food manufacturer, and a redundant city, state, and county government eager to spend our tax dollars on corporate welfare while crying the abuses of medicaid in new york state.

    art space, touted as housing for 'artists' has broadly widened its criteria for application so that practically anyone can live there....another tax subsidized development deal, to the toon of 285,000 per unit!

    {edited due to unsubstantiated, slanderous accusations}

    shame on all of you for contributing the hot air to float this lead Zeppelin of self serving deception and chicanery."

    what does any of what you just wrote have anything to do with WCP, and the quality of his article?

    of course developers are going to feed writers what they want, but the fact is, he's writing what they're telling. go give carl paladino a call, ask him to lunch and ask about his plans for buffalo. ask iskalo how many floors will be on his "tower". call up bashar issa and have a drink while modeling underground parking ideas, and the cladding for city tower. if you manage to somehow get straight information out of anyone, and can write it better, please do so. WCP has written countless articles of great information and questions for buffalo.

    it doesnt matter if it's positive or negative articles anymore..the fists keep flying.

  26. RisingDamp666

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    Jan 4th, 13:57

    Here I am watching the fights ...and an urban interest website broke out. Which way to the refunds window?

  27. SLEEPL8

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    Jan 4th, 16:18

    There was an update to the BSC Group web site: http://www.bsc-group.net/

    If you look at the "Global News" section it states about the Buffalo City Tower it give some vague details about the project and states that it is "expected to be completed in about four years" How true is this?

  28. bison716

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    Jan 4th, 16:44

    Can someone give me the link to this WCP?

  29. Metropolis

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    Jan 4th, 17:10

    Elmwood-Utica condos are in presale stage currently. The look gorgeous online.

  30. snotnose

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    Jan 4th, 17:18

    "If the Graystone, with all of its "interior load-bearing walls", were in NYC, it would be worth $150 million. It should be worth it to someone to stabilize and recondition the structure and rent it out. The floorplans may not be ideal, but for the right money, people would be willing to live in this baby."

    EXACTLY! One would think with all his development savvy that Paladino knew EXACTLY what he was getting into when he bought the Graystone....and when he bought the Webb (another hole in the roof property owned by one and the same). Maybe Mr. Paladino should NOT be in the development business if he makes all these purchase mistakes - what Could he be thinking? (wa, wa, wahhhhhh) Demolition by neglect.

  31. carlmalone

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    Jan 4th, 18:24

    Chris69: in reference to your comments: "dare I beat a dead horse! approaching 50,000 daily riders with the extension of Light Rail....we are hemmorhaging blue collar factory jobs and if we dont connect the few remaining engines in this region then we are going to be devastated if this city/region takes a major hit economically. "

    I have never read a post more off the mark and out of touch than yours. I am just thankful you represent a minority that I can count on my one hand. I say this completely outside factoring in the whole funding issue of your statement. Congrats.

  32. The_other_mike

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    Jan 4th, 21:02

    Check out the cover and feature story of this week's Business Week, it features the future of the City and housing court violations: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/toc/08_02/B4066magazine.htm

  33. nonono

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    Jan 4th, 21:04

    Dear Christopher Schmidt a.k.a. WCP a.k.a. West Coast Perspective You wrote to the email address attached to my user name and asked.... "Are you offering to contribute? Really, what's your point in your constant criticism on where I live? Do you honestly think everything I put up is from press releases? Comical." All I care to contribute to BR, I do in these comments. I am amused that, dismissive as your comments seem, you broke format to write to my e-mail address in what I can only assume is your attempt to discern my identity. The criticism is NOT where you live, it's reasonable skepticism and incredulity that BR's major property development contributor is doing so from California. I cancelled my subscription to the Buffalo News when I discovered that the coverage in the news of Hillary Clinton's senate race in NYS was from syndicated stories in the LA Times. You and Newell have been challenged at every turn by readers and have yet to address two basic complaints: 1. You grossly exaggerate the positive aspects of development and new business ventures in this city and do very little considered examination of the pro's and con's as they effect the larger picture of life and progress in our region. 2. Newell's naive and undiscerning cheer leading does not serve the regions best interests when he grossly overexaggerates the merits and viability of local business ventures. He boasts of much latent talent, expertise, and potential in the region- so why isn't someone living in Buffalo covering the Buffalo real estate development beat for BR? You cannot possibly be intimately involved with this reporting from across the continent of North America, and your omnipresence on this site bespeaks more about your relationship with Newell than it does your credibility to clarify the news in our community. There is rarely any mention of the potential negative impact of development projects along with your 'reporting' or what ever it is you call your contributions to this new medium of the blog-o-sphere. So I ask you, is this a news format sight, with even a token respect paid to the conventional practices of news reporting, or simply an indulgent vanity that should be renamed "Newell's News"?

  34. pgf1948

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    Jan 4th, 21:18

    For me, it's no wonder at all why Buffalo continues to die slowly, painfully, writhing and stupidly, after reading these comments.

  35. sayvanderlay

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    Jan 4th, 21:42

    I'm usual as skeptical as the next person, but knocking WCP is just plain ludicrous.

  36. MRodgers

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    Jan 4th, 21:51

    nonono, did you really think you were "scooping" us all with you "outing" of WCP aka Chris? Where have you been? Certainly not here in Buffalo. As you can see, many readers here know the man who has left his heart in Buffalo and continues to tout her virtues. The same man who continues to come home regularly to be part of many events that promote our city. And, yeah, the same man who diligently researches each post before opening his computer - not only with developers, but many others who have a view of the future of our city and its renaissance.

    Sorry, folks, but when I respect a person, or persons as this case may be as I feel a deep respect for both Chris and Newell, the old lady gets cranky.

    So, nonono, change your moniker to notnotnot, because you certainly do not do your homework before posting.

  37. pgf1948

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    Jan 4th, 22:01

    I'm not in Buffalo either, but a big part of my (perhaps too-much-a-childhood) heart is there, too (exactly, right, Marilyn). WCP is one of the most thoughtful cyberfriends and informational sources of support and argument for this cranky, aging city-lover I have ever known. His contributions to this site are so many and so reasoned; I know he must affect all those he deals with in all the many phases of his life the same way. I am so sorry to feel as though I have to write this. It should be totally unnecessary.

  38. Metropolis

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    Jan 4th, 22:34

    God who friggin cares where the guy is from. He's certainly not hiding the fact that he is from the West Coast. It is original writing, not a rehash from somewhere else and the stories always seem very well researched to me.

    If someone has more insight and thinks that they can do a better job, then send in an article to the editor, using all of those SAT words people love to throw around. If not, then just read the blog for what its worth. Its not Newell's News and it certaintly isn't YOUR news - its our news.

  39. benfranklin

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    Jan 4th, 22:50

    nonono....cancelling your subscription to the News because you disagree with editorial decisions would appear to be rational behavior. Why not use the same logic here. You've made a decision you don't like certain things... why expend so much energy voicing your displeasure? We're all grown ups here (aren't we?), we don't need to be warned that we may be disappointed. We're from Buffalo, we understand disappointment. You seem to be a bit like a vegetarian standing in a crowded butcher shop, complaining about too much meat. We get it, your not happy, can we move on?

  40. bfloMatt

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    Jan 4th, 23:26

    nonono:

    First. You're on Buffalo Rising, essentially run by Newell. So, right there, if you have something against Newell, and all the hard work he puts out, just don't come here.

    Second. Readers are always harassing BR writers about their articles, their facts, their this and that. It's a thankless job that brings people who may not live here anymore a connection to their roots while having their morning wakeup, or whenever they logon.

    Third. The attacks on WCP are full of holes and are ridiculous. Since you're so eager to challenge him....about everything, why not do it? Be a man and talk via email, phone, whatever, and resolve your beef with someone who puts out countless hours for the readers. It's his article, which I'm sure took alot of time and effort, and your bashing it has gone far enough. Leave the guy alone, he wrote a blog about Buffalo, not you.

  41. RisingDamp666

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    Jan 5th, 01:01

    So, where are you, pgf1948? Kingston Upon Hull, England? If so, I recommend a brisk morning dip off the Humber Bridge. I hear the views are breathtaking on the way down.

    ...and yes, I got that off the internet: drkevorkian.org, you naff old tosser.

  42. RisingDamp666

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    Jan 5th, 01:42

    Oh, and I rather enjoy many of WCP's posts and observations. My only beef, and it's a puny one, is those hideous buildings in Sacramento that illustrate a few of those posts. And that's not West Coast Perspective's fault, There just isn't much great architecture north of the 80-780 interchange. Nonono just needs to relax. Paul Goldberger ain't writing for this site any time soon.

  43. nonono

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    Jan 5th, 08:24

    Forgive me for the repetition, but WCP's physical location is not the entire issue, and non of you avid readers have addressed the two complaints I posed, and the are...."1. You grossly exaggerate the positive aspects of development and new business ventures in this city and do very little considered examination of the pro's and con's as they effect the larger picture of life and progress in our region. .......2. Newell's naive and undiscerning cheer leading does not serve the regions best interests when he grossly overexaggerates the merits and viability of local business ventures."

    Many of the developers in this area are little better than shady thugs who manipulate our elected government, and are far more interested in breaking ground than thoughtful considered urban planning. I get it! You all love this circle jerk of optimism, but many of us do not- I do not believe it serves our region's best interest or collective intelligence. I will leave you to your auto erotic and self congratulatory musings now.

    Just remember that I live and work here, making far less than I would elsewhere. WPC's devotion to the region is conditional, he loves the area, but not enough to sacrifice his comfortable income on the west coast...........so lets not get all high and mighty about character, and who does more and cares more for this region, I keep my meager checking account in the city I love and that's what I mean by 'boots on the ground!'

  44. nonono

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    Jan 5th, 08:30

    bfloMatt,

    to quote your last post ""Readers are always harassing BR writers about their articles, their facts, their this and that.""

    I had no idea how insensitive I had been, how naive and petty of us all to pick on a little thing like F A C T S !!!

    I for one will endeavor to be far more considerate towards BR writers "this's and that's" in future.

  45. bfloMatt

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    Jan 5th, 08:44

    nonono, the simple fact is, can you prove his facts wrong? i dont think anyone here would be upset if you had said WCP this is actually this. many readers would probably have thanked you for finding that out. as far newell goes, his "cheerleading" pumps out 4-5 stories a day of concrete information about whatever. developers may manipulate our government, but last time i checked Newell and WCP are writers, not politicians

  46. benfranklin

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    Jan 5th, 08:53

    It pains me to do this, but nonono let's consider your 'points'. First, the issue of 'grossly exaggerate the positive aspects of development"...etc. I've reviewed the above article, and find lines like the following..."After two years of strong residential growth, is the rental market showing signs of cooling-off or is this just a breather until the next wave of projects comes online?" I'm not sure I'm seeing the same wild-eyed optimism that you are complaining about. Is there a specific line in the article above that is causing you such discomfort? If so, let's discuss it.

    If you'd like to deal in 'facts', as your last post contends, then let's do it. Line by line if we must. But just throwing out terms like "thugs", with no other information, is wasting a good part of a Saturday morning. Making a point is one thing, whining is another. If you'd like to do the former, feel free.

  47. nonono

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    Jan 5th, 09:32

    ""With strong pre-sales at Waterfront Place"" for one thing, how about some definition of what 'strong' pre-sales means? Much of my sentiments are clearly of an ongoing nature. Washington Market has been held up as a shining example of the untapped potential of downtown. Now it appears that they were backed by deep pockets and little experience, and the very bottom line viability of such business is now in question. That's what I mean by over optimism and mindless cheerleading. Perhaps the area cannot support an upscale market at this time. Whom does it serve to misleadingly represent that it can?

    As for thugs [deleted for libelous accusations] and complicated his wrong doing by attempting to block city inspectors from issuing a job site stop order. Titan Wrecking was recently cited by the city of Buffalo for behaving dangerously and irresponsibly by operating wrecking equipment directly over an individual attempting to halt demolition until the proper paper work was provided to neighbors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5soIVclO8Iw

  48. benfranklin

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    Jan 5th, 09:55

    I don't know the author's definition for 'strong', I would think demand above availability. If you look in the thread about Washington Market, you will see many people being critical of the business model, including myself. That seems the appropriate place for such comment. If there was an error in judgment about opening the business, the owners will pay for that by seeing a loss of investment dollars. I'm not sure how reporting on BR plays into that one way or another. When the business opened, the Buffalo News ran a positive artlcle, echoing the sentiments of the owner. Most of us realize that the end result of a business is not often as rosy as picture painted by the opening press release. Businesses don't open to fail, builders don't hire people so they can kill them. These are economic enterprises that do the best they can, with the limiited information and economic resources they have at hand. When things go poorly, as may well be the case in the examples you cite, I'm not sure laying blame with Buffalo Rising makes much sense.

  49. nonono

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    Jan 5th, 10:00

    bfloMatt,

    BR stories are consistently riddled with inaccuracies, lack of fact checking, and outrageous superlatives, this story not withstanding.

    BR DOES aid and abet corrupt and misguided developers and politicians when they do not do due diligence on the stories they report. What, for example, are "strong pre-sales"? With out numbers this is a misleading and meaningless statement.

    These complaints, and this discussion, are essential to defining what this new medium of blogging IS and will become. Is it news? Is it entertainment? Can we take for granted any assumptions we had previously held for news reporting enterprises? Like it or not, many read this site like a newspaper or magazine. If BR does not share the established news commitment to journalistic standards, nothing anyone says on here is of any consequence at all.

    I agree that Newell expends a great amount of self-less energy on our city and for that he is to be commended, and has my sincere gratitude. However, the road to Hell is said to be paved with 'good intentions'. My concern is that he may set upon a dangerous course in his haste to produce these 4-5 artilcles a day.

  50. nonono

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    Jan 5th, 10:17

    benF, you miss my point entirely.

    a little investigative reporting would have revealed what everyone in the neighborhood new at the outset - that washington market was a vanity project, backed by billy fuccillo, as a valentine to Sarah........not a well conceived or viable business venture for a car sales man and a barmaid. it was grossly misrepresentative to champion this as a serious business venture if it was in fact a capricious, indulgent enterprise- which it seems now to have been.

    if others took this to be a sign of true economic vitality and retail amenities in the community, they were mislead and will be adversely affected accordingly in their life and financial decisions. 275K for this business is a ludicrous figure. it makes no sense. if this is all the deep pocketed Billy is looking to get out of it, then he could hold the paper and Sarah could make monthly payments. if the business cannot support monthly payments to meet this relatively paltry business expense it is a dismal failure, and a seriously misjudged enterprise. it's very presence a mirage in a desolate downtown landscape.

  51. nonono

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    Jan 5th, 10:20

    ps ben- NO ONE can now the authors definition of 'strong' ! so what is the point of writing it? that is why i am criticising. what the hell does strong sales mean???

  52. BuffaloGeek

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    Jan 5th, 10:28

    Readers are always harassing BR writers about their articles, their facts, their this and that.

    That's the name of the game, my friend. Whenever you put fingers to keyboard and produce material to be consumed by the masses, criticism is in the offing. I get killed routinely on my site as do writers at The Buffalo News, reporters on television stations, and everyone in between.

    I find the circling of the wagons around writers here and on other web based media forums to be comical yet also quite interesting. The readers feel an ownership of the material and a relationship with writers they have never met. This is due to the intimacy of the medium. Personal attacks and fierce criticism are all part of the game, especially when you co-mingle opinion and reporting as we in the new media often do.

    The writers here are big boys and girls and can handle criticism. If they can't they sure as hell are in the wrong business.

  53. benfranklin

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    Jan 5th, 11:08

    Investigated further, you'd find he's made other investments in the city that have paid off. Similar to Gerhardt, some work, some don't. To be balanced, financial decisions need to be looked at across the entire portfolio, and not a single investment. I think you're trying to say that an article in BR might make someone invest in an area? if that's your idea of due diligence, that might explain the small bank account you mentioned in another post. By the way, I'll gladly admit to missing your point, provided, of course, that you make one.

  54. nonono

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    Jan 5th, 11:20

    BenF, Uhhhh, hmmm, I think you are posting to the wrong article. thats what happens when you move a city 'one pint at a time' cheers!

  55. ECB

    4 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 11:27

    Buffalo Geek:

    Well put and true. However, when criticism goes beyond facts and small grammatical and spelling issues, so as to verge on character assassination, we have a problem.

    Chris (WCP) is a godsend to this site. As a personable and knowledgeable authority in his field, people are happy to speak with him because he is a professional and is peerless in this new media world.

    He has a fantastic sense of humor and isn't even close to exercising the amount of ego he is due. Buffalomatt is right to call for comments based on the subject of the post--not the author. All in all, if a fact is disputed, we want to hear facts form the other side as part of the dialogue we try to create here. Surely saying something is wrong and substantiating it with a counterpoint is preferable to just saying it's wrong.

  56. benfranklin

    1 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 11:34

    Sorry nonono, I thought you'd be able to tie your need for "more investigation" to my opening line of "Investigated further..." The "he" is in reference to Billy F, whom you reference above. If I need to go into so much detail explaining myself, perhaps this is a good time to end the discussion. For those coming to BR for more enlightened discussion, my apologies.

  57. bfloMatt

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    Jan 5th, 13:04

    BuffaloGeek- I completely agree with your statement. You write it, it's out there, people are going to judge it. I was only mentioning that lately, Newell has been 'attacked', if you will, on some of his writings. In my opinion, nonono's accusations against WCP are based solely on his misunderstanding, or lack of foresight with the words, "strong" and his definition of "corrupt".

  58. gaustad

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 13:36

    nonono - is now on my new favorite person's list

  59. BetterThanDetroit

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 13:54

    nonono - check out www.buffalosucks.com

  60. RisingDamp666

    4 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 14:34

    The question isn't whether Buffalo Rising is "corrupt", the question is: Is Buffalo Rising corrupt enough to entertain?

  61. bjfan82

    4 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 14:39

    nonono you are such a toolbox. WCP keep up the great articles, and cheers to hopefully another prosperous year for Downtown Buffalo!

  62. Joshua

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 15:26

    bjfan82 - thanks for stating something that I had on my mind.

  63. RisingDamp666

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 15:35

    They found each other! How sweet! Joshua and bjfan82 forever!

  64. BetterThanDetroit

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 17:54

    bjfan82 - {inappopriate content edited} another prosperous year? do have a TV or other access to local news?

  65. BetterThanDetroit

    3 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 18:31

    innappropraite content edited? shame on you BRO, he's the one with BJfan as a screen name!!

  66. RisingDamp666

    1 ratings12345
    Jan 5th, 23:28

    You took the...um words, right out of my mouth, BTD.

  67. BetterThanDetroit

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 6th, 00:02

    RD666 - I oft-times wish I was as naive. They are happy in their fluffy little dreamworld. Maybe we shuldn't explain reality to them...

  68. RisingDamp666

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    Jan 6th, 00:12

    Maybe we shouldn't, but when you see the beds pushed together, ya gotta figure one of them's confused.

  69. BuffaloGeek

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    Jan 6th, 00:21

    Elena,

    Well put and true. However, when criticism goes beyond facts and small grammatical and spelling issues, so as to verge on character assassination, we have a problem.

    You're a talented writer and our cursory dealing have been nothing but pleasant., however, I wonder if you really understand this particular medium. Nothing written above should be considered character assassination of WCP. He is a great guy who I have enjoyed meeting on several occasions during BOHW.

    If people wish to comment on his choice of residence or anything else, it's fair game. He's a public person (via his contributions to this site) and the medium is intensely personal.

    I have been called every name in the book and had my character assailed on numerous occasions. It's all part of the territory.

    For instance, people used to read Donn Esmonde's column in TBN and call him a douchebag while they sat on a barstool. Now, they do it in the comments section of TBN website. The same goes for all of us who put ourselves forth as a writer or expert on an issue. Be bigger than the insults, but let them stand else you look like someone who can't take the heat.

  70. RisingDamp666

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 6th, 00:30

    Hmmm. Principled and to the point. I'm impressed BuffaloGeek....sh*t, here comes another chair...

  71. BetterThanDetroit

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 6th, 01:26

    There are many people awaiting Mark Croce to put money he doesnt have into Buffalo including but not limited to the property(s) at Franklin/Huron. Does anyone know what debt to income ratio is? Can you pleeeease explain to these folks that when you own $8 million in real estate, it's not you that owns that...it's your bank/backer and even with a couple million in equity on paper, the bank will not extend the capital for you to improve on these properties in order to make money, in order to pay the bank back. Sounds like he's roughly $10m in debt. Carl Paladino, on the other hand, hasn't even bought a new Yankees hat in 9 years. He has the dough...

  72. nonono

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    Jan 6th, 07:53

    thanks geek and thanks detroit.......mark croce, like the williamsville pageant queen on wife swap's got true SPARKLE...thats all you need to gain respect in this town. paladino on the other hand has got nothing on ol' nate benderson! yes the founding father of the benderson empire- who left behind such wonders as the retail auto bon that is niagara falls boulevard.... took all his many many MANY millions to palm beach when he retired and is remembered as giving the LEAST back to his community of any of the moneyed hacks in buffalo's history.

    very un-comical side note here......the allentown association was first formed over 40 years ago to fight ONE man, nate benderson, in his desire to demolish 5 victorian homes on historic irving place......and replace them with a PARKING LOT (insert joni mitchel soundtrack here).....his progeny now have a no bid contract to screw up our waterfront!

    what ever did our forefathers do, to so anger the gods, that in her retribution- she visits such a 'plague-in-cheap-suits' upon us???

  73. Dionysus

    6 ratings12345
    Jan 6th, 11:27

    nonono consistently posts thoughtful and articulate responses to many of these pieces that really do turn into cheerleading sessions most of the time. Dissenting opinion is often useful, and it might be a good idea to consider some of nonono's comments rather than dismiss them so easily because they might hurt someone's feelings. WCP contributes optimistic articles to this site, and I don't think anyone ever really considers them to be exactly newsworthy. If they do, then that's a bit scary. I for one really appreciate the healthy dose of cynicism, if not realism, interjected into these articles by nonono. What I could do without, however, is the cheerleading squad rushing to Chris' defense because someone dared to raise a thoughtful (and not totally without merit) question about the writer's credentials. Chris is a big boy and can handle it I'm sure.

  74. RisingDamp666

    6 ratings12345
    Jan 6th, 21:43

    Nonono just gets betterbetterbetter. I say to you all at Buffalo Rising, there is memory here and it comes without the rose-colored spectacles. We can cheer the good but never forget that there is a larger narrative here, one whose tendrils reach back to the very core of Buffalo's decline and dissolution. Martians didn't cause Buffalo to fall to ruin. People like the Bendersons did and now they want their role in that dark past sanitized? At least nonono isn't doing their bidding.

  75. BetterThanDetroit

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 7th, 00:10

    nonono, risingdamp, guastad - dinner and drinks on me!! How about tomorrow night at the area's best eatery - Ming Teh!!

  76. nonono

    2 ratings12345
    Jan 7th, 21:41

    my last cunning quip re: washington market bananas split - was replaced with the cryptic.... [deleted: libel, filth] the cheerleading goon squad is on the offensive, if anyone wants to buy me dinner and a drink i will be in my spider hole out back.

  77. RisingDamp666

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 7th, 22:36

    They gave up on my libelous filth a long time ago. Just keep wearing them down...multiple entendres help.

  78. BetterThanDetroit

    0 ratings12345
    Jan 8th, 21:09

    Anyone want to buy a historical carriage house on Oakland Place? I've been offered a job blogging for www.TampaRising.com - it's too easy of a job to turn down...

  79. al-alo

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    Jan 8th, 21:54

    more like tampabetterstartrisingoritwillbeunderwater.com