I love the Washington Market, and hope that it continues on as successfully (and as beautifully) as it has been under Sarah's management.
I love the Washington Market, and hope that it continues on as successfully (and as beautifully) as it has been under Sarah's management.
...$275K is really not that much considering how much real estate is in other part of the Nation. I'm sure that this store would sell for close to a million in other cities.
Joshua - I really think it's irrelevant what it would sell for in "other cities". Prices in each area are judged in their own context. If the store was in some economically healthier city, then you're correct the price would be a lot higher. But if it was in some other city very similar to here then the price wouldn't be much higher. And there's some other cities the price would be even lower.
I came across this by accident. It appears to have sold for about what they wanted. Space downtown has become more and more at a premium and more living spaces and businesses are opening and being built every day.
The ownership transfer was smooth. It is crowded at lunch and dinner and there is always a space to park.
The negative coments here were for naught.
$275K does not get you the building or the storefront. It only gets the business and its contents. Then you get to pay rent.
And I agree with who ever said Billy should hang on to it and draft some competent talent to run the joint. If it were run as a business instead of a "hobby" than it might stand a chance.
no-no, who are you-- and who are the rest of us, I think an introduction is in order. --- difficult yes, flaming no, turd offends me, --- you live close to the edge. Someone may prove that a pen is as dangerous as a sword and can injure you, accidently of course. The image that I have that could be funnier, which is, a keyboard sticking out of your mouth or ass, just to stop the substance coming out of them.
The foods has always been excellent but I have had terrible experiences with the service. I waited 15 minutes waiting for a cashier to check me out. Workers scurried like roaches out of view when customers looked for assistance.
Maybe it had something to do with this, related article?
http://www.buffalorising.com/story/a_huge_bid
Rising...Schvug...nice word.... The thing about a price is you only need one person to pay it. I'd steer clear til a number closer to yours. The dream of owning your own retail business can quickly spiral down into you realizing you've put out a big investment, and bought yourself a job you'd never interview for (and listening to everyone tell you what a poor job your doing). Yeah, that's worth $275,000.
could it have been my post to Viking that "jesus may love you, but the rest of us think you are a petulant flaming turd?"
The Washington Market is most convenient for those living downtown, since they can walk to get some groceries. But, for us folk that live in other parts of the City and need to carry more than 2 or 3 bags there is a inconvenience factor. I've always wanted to check the store out but, I really hate to pay for parking (I'm frugal, I know, but for legit reasons). That is my two cents!
While we'd all like to see this business flourish, it seems caught between a convenience store, and a gourmet shop, and there may not be enough traffic in that area to support either. I've had good experiences when visiting, but unfortunately haven't seen many other patrons. Anyone who's owned a business can do the math. Let's hope it can make it to the point where traffic in the area picks up. This business is as close to a Wegman's (in operation) as it is a carwash (different square footage, margins, products, etc.). Let's hope they can work things out.
Sent to my message inbox by Platt4: Can you carry on a normal conversation and contribute anything of meaning to any thread you post to? You, RisingDamp, Gaustad, and BROKeeps....unless you are all the same person with multiple sign-ons...are idiots. You're all in a race to be cute and funny but come off looking like morons
In response: people have different social views my friend. It's called individualism. You get hot and angry when someone has a different opinion than yours. Having different views is what democracy is all about. Truth be told - you look moronic to me, but I don't go after you for it. I went to war for this principal and severed more than one head over it. Now, please, with all sincerity, keep you nasty name calling to a minimum. Unless, that is of course, you really want me to [deleted- violent reference]. Have a nice night, sir.
Damp-
Not bad at all. Are you another tool who has a problem with non Buffalo residents? Just curious as this is the second comment about where I live. I know you like to throw the one liners and play the role of the A-hole but no need to troll with me guy.
Atwater,
I do not see the closing of a big store and not opening a new one as the first move in moving away from Buffalo. I simply see it as there is not any growth in WNY and right now their stores cover all areas. Like I said, if DT were to grow in residential, they would move there. And if they were to move there, they would never be able to build a store like they do in the burbs. Thus my suggestion.
No need for a parking debate but want to add one point. If there was a real concentration of people in the DT core, parking would not be an issue. Like it or not, there is simply not enough people. Build a tower or two or a couple of mid rise condo buildings and then you can see some foot traffic.
MJ - You twisted my context. My suggestion to RonR was to choose a different benchmark for downtown success. I agree DT has improved and might improve more, but a store like Wegmans is beyond unrealistic. Maybe a mini-Dash's or a full size Wilson Farms can happen down the road if there's more growth, but a DT Wegmans is about as likely as a DT Ikea. Hey we're all guessing so there's no right and wrong, but I was trying to be constructive. But you are mistaken to say I tried to make them sound uninterested in this area. I said facts look to me that they seem uninterested in adding NEW stores here. Big difference. Spin if you want, but it's other areas where their store counts are growing. Maybe that's random and not a sign of strategy. Yeah right. They were still investing in Walden store improvements even after planning/doing expansion at store two miles away. It wasn't as though they built one store to replace another. The stores co-existed for years, then reduced by one.
http://tinyurl.com/2jwxrj
Wegmans to Close Buffalo-area Galleria Store ... "Our Galleria store was the exception to our norm of being situated in a densely populated residential area," noted Wegmans Buffalo division s.v.p. Mike Keating. "As we have watched every one of our other area stores experience significant sales increases in recent years, our Galleria store's sales growth has remained flat. This was in spite of an investment of over a half-million dollars into improvements in the store in the last several years." ...
Btw, RonR, I wonder how well another store in city of Buffalo would likely meet their criteria mentioned above for significant yearly sales increases? Looks to me their trend is to seek a very different demographic than even what we'd consider a wildly successful DT growth. That's not saying DT can't grow, but yes I'm saying it won't reach the criteria it would need to.
Anyone feel free to hope and wish they'll open more stores around here. I'd like that too. I prefer them to Buffalo-managed Tops and Buffalo-owned Dash's and Buffalo-owned Budweys. Probably once a month somebody comments on BR that some spot in Buffalo city limits would be a great spot for a new Wegmans (or a mini-urban-Wegmans)". RonR didn't say that but some do. I was just tossing some reality into the mix.
Yeah Washington Market is OK, but it doesn't seem to be able to make up its mind if it is a restaurant or a food shop and it is too damn small to be both. I hear they have great lunches, but have you ever tried to go grocery shopping there? You can't really even buy a whole meal! I remember when they 1st opened I was VERY excited only having been in the city for a short time my self, I couldn't wait for what was billed as "an upscale grocery store". the 1st time I walked in I was completely disappointed. I waited a while and came back hoping that they had added more selection, but they hadn't. They still really don't have enough to really shop. You still have to go to Wegmans or the Coop or somewhere!
Just my $0.02
Gaustad and BTD - Ha! Me? I type fast but could never keep up with very prolific commenters who must be real masters of time management. Can't think of any right now, but some names show up many times in almost every thread. Some even have time on their hands for ongoing personal battles. But thanks for noticing me - I finally feel relevant!
Just for clarification, there is no real estate being exchanged for $275,000. You are inheriting a lease that you would pay on (good questions raised previously about Fucillo's relationship with the landlord... you'd want to go over the lease very carefully). The money buys you the inventory, business processes, fixtures, the good (and poor) will of the business, and any employees that choose to stick around. To make a worthy comparison then, could you go to an empty storefront, start from scratch, and come up with something better for $275,00? The other way to value it would be on expected profit. What rate of return would you expect? Finally, it's not a big store. You could sit out front, count customers and multilply by an estimated average sale. No matter what you conclude the valuation to be, I think most agree that the business model may not have been thoroughly thought through. That being the case, I'm not sure what justifies the spread between the book value of the business, and $275,000.
When I came to graduate school I found it challenging to find the Washington Market (oh yea it is on Ellicott Street not Washington). I know why it is called the Washington Market but to touristy types and non-locally informed the name does not fit the location.
from gaustad to platt4 - "You criticize negativity, attacks, and name calling, but you are the worst culprit. "
Appartently, you need to take your own advice.
You guys make hard it to resist,----- 1) there is not enough within walking distance customer base to do without dedicated parking. 2) there also not enough customer base as of yet to satisfy a connivence store. 3) for the food service to work, it needs to have more seating and to be more pronounced. 4) the flow design of the food service needs to be re-worked. 5) someone who understands the numbers and concepts of food service needs to be in charge. Other than that incorporating or joint venturing with Guercio's is an excellent idea, if for nothing else the uniqueness of the possible attraction to become a destination (after 5pm offerings, because of the parking situation)
Is nonono correct? The rumors that I heard agree with him/her. I also heard (and I am not trying spread rumors) that Billy Huge funded this project for his girl and now they have parted ways so he is unloading it.
$275K SEEMS LIKE A HUGE DEAL TO ME BUFFALO!
viking - One of the reasons why I've probably never shopped thre is becuase of the lack of dedicated parking. I was going to mention something like that, but I figured someone would post this definency. If the Washington Market had a parking lot or dedicated parking in one of the million parking lots in the City, without charge, or validated parking, I possibly might make my way downtown to check it out.
HELLLOOOOOOO, the reason Washington Market is for sale is simple and it's H U G E, get it....H U G E !!! This sale has everything to do with the failure of a personal relationship, and little to do with the vagaries of purveying produce. I don't mean to be salacious or inappropriate, but that is the very problem with the Buffalo business culture....it is all VERY personal, and steeped in nepotism, and crony-ism. This business was backed and set up by the exceedingly obnoxious and ubiquitous Billy Fuccillo, and is being sold for reasons that give Sarah Mahoney "mixed emotions" and cause her to ignore calls from the Buffalo News...??? You could drive a produce truck between these lines.
The big question that BR fails to address ...... IS THIS BUSINESS VIABLE MINUS DEEP POCKETED AND PERSONALLY FORGIVING BACKERS?
This Market is mentioned in every story about the "downtown living" building boom, as a model, and anchor business in the area. The question is, would it ever have opened on its business model and merit alone? Or, do you need someone with Mr. Fuccillo's financial and bombastic clout to curry the favor of Mr. Termini to the ends of simply running a business in one of his buildings? How do you measure accurately the business climate in an area such as ours which is prone to such capricious and personal winds that have everything to do with financial hubris and vanity, and little to do with Accounting 101?
This is by no means an isolated or inconsequential instance, take the water front, Bass Pro and the Rich's, whoever sold that god forsaken swamp land in Amherst to the University of Buffalo, the Willis and Lowe shop, and other historical failures too numerous to mention here. Many of the shops on the Elmwood strip are backed by deep personal pockets, and to many others open and close like so many barn doors in the wind.
I commend Sarah for all her good work, and think she is a charming, personable, and capable professional. My post has nothing to do with attacking or defaming her, and everything to do with attacking and defaming the shoddy writing on this site. If the financial ledgers are in line with the stellar reviews of the posters here- than this business is a great investment for someone with the resources....(it is also a VERY low price, so maybe Billy is not the ogre he appears to be on the telly). My only point is that this town is run by a small percentage of people with too much money and not very bright ideas, and the merit system is nearly nonexistent. This Market, however lovely an asset to the neighborhood, is only as viable as it's loyal customer base - whose regular and generous patronage is essential to it's survival. That is the only relevant question here, what types of businesses are TRULY and INDEPENDENTLY viable in an area where purses are rarely opened without superstitious, miserly, and cynical caution.
BR staff writers, here I have given you the material for a genuinely interesting and informative read, it is ingredients like this that make for savory reading, market appeal - but most importantly informed and thoughtful reporting of a story.....a complete story- IN context.
ruserious - they charge $24 for a bottle of olive oil t - the service is terrible - and the hours are not very good - those are the facts - this is not rocket science
ruserious - the few of us conversing on this topic are very successful, therefore, i respect their opinions. if you'd like to email me your P&L statements, i'd be glad to consider chatting with you. if not, then please keep your insults at bay before i split your wig. seriously. don't do that. wasington market (the business) really isnt worth close to $275k. u have to know this. i havent had a chance to see their books, but i promise you, there is NO way they can sell enough Doritos and cous cous to see a ROI inside of a decade. and, why do you think we are "experts at nothing but writing in blog"? are you disgruntled that some of us dont give a F about the Sabres but rather focus on Buffalo and making money? be careful what you say now...
The Galleria Wegman's was closed after the Wegman's at Dick and George Urban (at the time their oldest and smallest store in the area) was fully redone and enlarged. Unless they were super booming having two stores 3 mins (2mi) apart would have pry left one an under performer regardless of other factors. All their stores in the area now seem to be up to date. Trying to make them sound uninterested in the area and even receding in it is a little over simplified to try to make a point, which is not fully accurate. For a metropolitan area with dwindling population growth I think Wegman's continued investment here shows dedication to the market they are serving.
If we want to leave DT the empty wasteland it is then lets beg everyone to take zero risks. The corporates will be the last (a mini Wegman's) and will be a marker for the core "being back". Until then we will have to count on local small businesses etc to take the risk. The Elk Terminal Lofts were criticized and were destined for failure. As was the Calumet when it first opened all alone on Chippewa. Someone took a risk here too. Maybe is was a bad plan, wrong time. etc. I appreciate the risk people like this take. I go out of my way to support them even if it requires an extra trip. I have a vision of what I want the area to be. Somebody took the risk to also see this vision though I can expend a little more effort to support them. I can also leave my comments behind on how it could be better.
We sit around complaining their is no critical mass to do anything DT while at the same time not wanting to put in the extra effort to see that the seeds start to grow. We cry to knock down the old trees that are already there. We stand around waiting for a shiny new forest to pop up all at once. Why do we then question why things are the way they are?
So what if deep pockets bought a business dream for its gal? If the price is too much it will come down. Maybe no one will buy it and it will fail ultimately. A great percentage of businesses do. But if we do not go there for what we like and give feedback to the owner management about what we do not, how do we expect things to change or grow?
$10.53 is steep. Rocco is not a reliable landlord. The lease is up shortly. There is NO parking lot. The location relies on folks who live within a 50-yd walk; people who supposively make <$30k/year (and those who make >$30k have their loft in their sisters name and eat at Mothers every night). [deleted]
Atwater.
My post was rather simple and thanks for making it stronger.
First off, by semi-local I mean they are in the region and not based in CA or 2000 miles away. While it is Rochester, Wegmans has a great understanding of WNY and does a lot for both Rochester and Buffalo.
In terms of closing stores, why wouldn't they. Wegmans is a solid business and closing stores that are not productive makes sense.
In terms of Wegmans interest and what I consider to be a benchmark, you made my point for me. When companies like Wegmans believe in Downtown is there and not on the way, I will as well. Having a bored housewife start a grocery store is not a benchmark. Having new store fronts that are empty is not a "there" if you will. I am a fan of the direction as is everyone but I am a realist in knowing that there is a VERY VERY long road ahead.
In terms of strategy, Wegmans has shown it can evolve. Many other national chains have opened mini stores in dense cores. They house production at larger stores and provide the same quality on a smaller scale. Just because it is not done in Buffalo does not mean it is not something Wegmans would not consider. Remember, Wegmans changed their image around 15 years ago with advancements based on consumer demand. To think that they would not do it again when the model has proven quite successful in other areas is silly.
Like I said, if Wegmans goes downtown I would consider Buffalo to have an expanding geography and stronger demographics. People talk about the "Renaissance" of Buffalo and some think it is full swing. I am sorry but a couple of office buildings and condo conversions is not a renaissance. It is nice and in the right direction but most people on here are disillusion.
Oh and parking....This is like 1000 feet from the metro. Most massive parking lots for Wegmans has the same walk. It also has a giant parking lot across the street. Sure both options are not free but it is a city for Christ sake.
...unless we treat it like a bodega and sell dime sacks and 8balls...just a thought...
Guercios can offer value to it's retail customers in large part because of the significant wholesale business they do. For every dollar of sales at Washington Market, Guercios (retail and wholesale) probably does 50. The cost per square foot on Grant is also significantly less than this renovated property.
I think, benfranklin, that these schvugs are actually trying to exact a price on the 'goodwill' of this business. Judging from the above posts and their description of broken relationships, bad employees and poor business choices, that goodwill is worth about $10.53. The fixtures, name (which is anything but brandable ) and all the other flotsam in that dreary s-hole are probably worth about 45K. If the lease is long-term and extremely favorable, that adds value to this business. Who knows? What would you pay?
ruserious - so, what are you saying...besides nothing? ellicott lofts - check the contract required to be signed in order to live there stipulating you can't earn over $25-30k per annum. it's a grant/tax credt thing i'm sure. want details? i'll bury this topic right on BRO. zip be back up and carry on...and tell your pal rocco to play by the rules...
ruserious - that place may be worth $90k - that is, of course, if the registers come with it and full of $45k per. I know business. I will send you an individual message with my bio. I really don't care if you know who I am. Then, I will offer you a job working directly under my new exec VP of project development, Sudeep.
The Washington Market sucks, people - get over it!! If the location was on Elmwood (Globe Market merged with The Lex Co-op) it would work. Look at the clientele that this place is focused on...they cannot live in that $shit hole and make over $30k. I will send an associate into Washinton MArket this week and publicly state, on the record, the true worth of this place. Further, does anyone know when The Place re-opens? Bob Rich did an evaluation on that place but the numbers didn't work. He's a tremendous businessman and told me it simply cannot work. Who bought it? Will the menu be the same? Are they prepared to lose money to keep a great lunch/brunch joint alive?
Big mistake----business is business, personal attacks on family or friends is way over the line. As a matter of principle, probably the best guarantee of bad luck that could be made.
DO ROCCO/BURKE BROS OWN THIS PLACE? Just a heads up people, Rocco Termini is a waste to our society. He likes to hold onto security deposits and has a large percentage of renters who make more than the $25-$30k maximum allowed to lived in his buildings. He has these people put their places in other people names. Check into it. Bust him. He's making a fortune on the gov teet w/o playing by the rules...
did you ever try shopping here on saturday mornings? you can't because it is always closed. the comments about the workers are right on - THEY SUCK!, but i guess its okay because they live in the city. i will drive the 7 minutes to wegman's and get great food good service and the store will be open when i get there and i won't have to look at sara, huge or rocco tickets termini
ruserious - if you find the business that viable, then why don't you pony up 275k and buy it.
Then we can all talk one year from now to see your ROI.
Come on, It is great they tried they built a business here, it it was going that well, than why sell?
Simply put, The Market wasn't thought out as well as it should have been, you can't start and run a business based mostly on relationship, doctors, lawyers and even car salesman make questionable investments because they don't know the questions to ask, or the answers to all the questions that can be asked. Every business type has it problems that are best addressed by professionals of that business climate. Expertise in one or a couple of subjects doesn't prepare one for areas of no experience. This venture could be saved , it needs modification , a ration-able business plan with obtainable goals and expectations. If I were Billy and had his resources I'd draft some talent and turn this situation around before selling at a loss, if for nothing else but pride and a demonstration of commitment to this project.
Atwater - not trying to argue with you. Here is a little food for thought:
you have valuable things to add in your posts, but often they are too long to read all the way through. If you are trying to get a point across, consolidate your thoughts.
its true, HUGE and Mahoney broke up and now the biz is getting dumped... She should sell that engagement ring to pay off the debt...
I know BRO likes local but I think Wegmans would be a great fit for this site. They are a semi local company and treat workers right. Maybe a Wegmans on the go or a mini Wegmans.
Items could be made at other stores like to-go food and bread and the workers would get access to great benefits and work for a solid company. With their name and buying power, the quality of the market would not be lowered. Hell it just might improve. Not saying that the current quality is bad but more of a complement to Wegmans.
For me, the day Wegmans goes downtown is the day I see downtown as really turning the corner to a true residential center. Kinda like the Starbucks effect. Investors in CA used to study where Starbucks would open before they would invest in an area. For the most part it was pretty accurate.
i think the owners should give gp his initial investment and seat equity back befor it goes into bankruptcy
Please please let M&T sell that parking lot (or better yet partner with a developer) so it can get filled in with some cool residential/commercial development with underground and ramp parking. If that happened Washington Market would have a great customer base and could reserve some parking for shoppers. It is way too soon to entertain even a small full line grocery store for this neighborhood so don't get your hopes up for even a mini-Wegmans anytime soon. Retail wisdom holds that a grocery store needs a dedicated neighborhood shopping population of 5,000- 9,000 residents to be commercially viable. Downtown St. Louis just hit that number of residents and bam, a 22,000 sf Schnucks (the local Tops) opening this spring on the ground floor retail level of a new parking garage.
Something like this maybe? http://www.2ndstreetdistrict.com/. If you look at the page notice the comments about pedestrians, how the buildings occupy the whole block and yet there are 1,500 centrally located garage parking spaces. Even if this project would be too ambitious by two times for Buffalo it is still a great template for an integrated live/work/play neighborhood that would link downtown better with the growing loft and medical corridors.
catsmeow - You really live in one of those dumps? Do you make under $30k/year to be allowed in that sh*t hole? If so, I am done conversing with your broke ass. If not, be ready for him to get audited...thanks to you!! FYI - I'm cool with rocco burning me.
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Viking,
ball or no ball, the vollies are quite robust- even this late in the game.
perhaps the ""negative, critical , abrasive and aggressive commentary"" here is in direct response to stories written with unrealistic optimism, unsubstantiated assertions, lubricated for easy insertion, and pandering beyond reason.
so tell [names deleted] or who ever else is offended by this medium to stop using it as a platform for disinformation. then pressure the staff of BR to take a course in basic journalistic standards.
we readers at BR share your pain dude.... or dudette as the case may be.
Some of the people mentioned here or ones that have been the subject of comments are generally transparent, On the other hand most of the negative, critical , abrasive and aggressive commentary come from those who hide in anonymity. I for one would like these antagonistic individuals to be unmasked, giving equal opportunity to those offended to respond, knowing that their efforts of retort will get results. Simply, If you can't or won't back up your words, you don't deserve the right to express them. No balls, no game.
ruserious - I will squash this for once and for all. I've written to an editor of BR and he plans to release a story on this topic. The lot I had had only one building associates with it, so try again Einstein. And, the contract I was asked to put under a relative's name is in my possession. Now, what were you saying you little weasel?
ok maybe in some situations around Elmwood or other areas of downtown parking can be brought up as an issue but really here.. I have never ever ever seen Ellicott street full. Every time I am with someone driving to the market we parking right in front of the place. Ellicott street has tons of on street parking near this business. Why because there is nothing around if but MORE parking lots therefore little to no demand for the on street stuff. Also there is that little street next to the church.. always empty spots.
Come on people 50% of downtown is already parking but it is never enough.
just go there for lunch and you won't find an open seat most of the time. They really have quite the draw and probably one of the saving graces for the business. My only issue is that becuase of the size you don't know if they are going ot have a certain product or not. I am not worried about brand either but it is a tough sell to go there for some stuff when you still have to go someplace else for the rest of it. Potatoes, aluminum foil, things like this make it a tough place to shop at. But at the same time I do a lot of shopping there for what I can but with issues like that it is tough to convince other people to go.
Get people to go to lunch, easy.. everyone simply loves their food and their catering has a huge reputation, just needs a little more room to expand its grocery selection and I think it could really be a draw. Maybe they can take over the old Buffalo Reuse building and add some square footage to the back of the building, maybe even add a small curbside fruit stand to entice people in for groceries.
I also wish we could untangle this upscale (expensive) and quality... I got to Guercios because you can't beat the price anywhere and the quality of the produce is impeccable. No where do they try to be gourmet about it. I think the washington market should come down from its horse a little and be the Guercios for Allentown, downtown and the east side. Good quality products at a good price at a great location. You would win every time!
BTD, glad to see you still have lots of free time. And I emplore you to get your facts straight before you start spouting off. All of Rocco's projects are not income restricted. As far as I know, only the IS Lofts are income restricted, but I don't know which ones for certain.
BTD: Yet again. Percentages of units must be salary capped to ensure that all income brackets have affordable housing. Not ALL units. And there are different caps for different percentages of units. Also that parking lot of expensive cars you referred to serves 3 different developments. Don't hate people with nice cars.
Still no proof of what you "do" for this city that you are so opinionated about. I think everyone else is getting sick of your ridiculous misinformed rude ranting.
And trust me, Rocco isn't my pal.
Btd ----The lord and I forgive you, I just hope your luck holds out, God Bless You.
The Washington Market rocks! Any urban area would be proud - and fortunate - to have something like it. I wish we did here in My Fair City. Best of all, it really makes that great developing district between the Market Arcade and the Oak Elm corridor come alive - I made sure to take my Downtown Development tour group over there during Old Home Week. Added to Rocco's loft developments, church, post office, theaters, flower shop, art galleries, and nearby Metro Rail, Old Editions, central library, etc. it's a gem of a downtown neighborhood. But - as pointed out frequently on BRO - it would benefit tremendously from a rethinking of the fenced parking lot at the center of it all, where the original Washington/Chippewa Market was. It would seem that redevelopment of that lot into some kind of outdoor market venue or events space, as has been discussed, would help draw people from outside the immediate area - the increased exposure and customer base would only help the viability of the Washington Market.
Atwater, no problem! I do value your comments and realism and therefore want to make sure you are heard, not skipped over.
I have found that poignant speech is the best way to reach some of the "dreamers" on this site.
Judging from what I have read in the last few weeks, it appears as though the "dreamers" are starting to get it.
Btd----- BR just gave you a ----Huge---- favor and deleted your mistake, "there is a god "
Btd Im' not Rocco or his keeper, but i know about some rules that you apparently don't, I would have liked to say " I admire your courage but your judgment is faulty", I can't, I can only marvel at your lack of awareness. This isn't shame on you time, it could be worse and you don't know it.
viking, if I want your opinion, I'll ask. now go get your shine box kid!
Platt4 - gaustad has quite a bit more than that (sorry to blow up your spot, player). I have no idea what this store is worth. It would take a bit of research to determine a fair amount, including but not limitied to lease price and terms, the restaurant arrangement and other variables. However, a safe guess is that it's worth $60k. Platt, please save your negative remarks for the other toddlers in your class.
platt4 -
You criticize negativity, attacks, and name calling, but you are the worst culprit.
I was merely stating a fact that this place is worth no where near 275k.
You're disrupting the flow of this forum and I would greatly appreciate it if you would keep your negative comments to yourself.
Thank you
Cry me a river viking wannabe. readers should know rocco screws more people over than you could list in this little box. this is releveant to the story. I will send in the Urban Housing audit team. If you live there and make over $30k, move out ASAP. Lots of nice Mercedes and Escalades in that lot, huh?
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Wow. You're entitled to have your opinion of Rocco....but you're being a complete ass in the way you're maligning his character here on a public forum. Don't be surprised if he sets his lawyers on YOU.
I live in one of Rocco's buildings, so I know how hard he tries to make his tenants happy. If he kept a tenant's security deposit, then s/he screwed up royally.
A "waste to our society"??
Get over yourself, nasty boy.
I'm delighted that all you office girls enjoy the catering, salaryboy, and you probably love this market simply for the convenience. That tells me you would be raving about Wilson Farms if they had a store nearby and you could cajole Sudeep to run some microwave burritos up to your lair at lunchtime. Otherwise, go ahead and ask Dad for $275,000 so you can pin the "small businessman" tag on your lapel at the Hobart Scale showroom.
This is the opportunity of a lifetime, ruserious! What are you waiting for? Call! The dream is just a phone call away!
ruserious,
With all respect to those less educated on this subject including but not limited to you, I do have my facts correct. I am protecting the good people of Buffalo from making a financial contribution to the Washinton Market. It would be a mistake they'd never regret. The investment comes with a trap door - (edit- libelous, not playing well with others} If you care to question if I did/didn't get that POS loft, I did get it, but had to put it under someone else's name.
BTD... What I find insulting and disgruntled about is the attacks several of you have made on people I am sure you don't even know. And like you said, you haven't seen their books. It very well could be a profitable business. Many of you appear to be assuming it's full of debt, and that is very likely untrue. You are also basing a lot of your opinions on groceries. I know they do a lot of catering for business and personal. One of the cashiers was even telling me about catering a plane for the St. Louis Blues when they were in town. Id imagine that is a pretty profitable business.
If you have truly looked, that kitchen is a chef's dream. Its large, spacious, and full of equipment that most fine dining establishments don't have. The equipment alone is worth over 100K.
Wilson Farms has shitty service. I still can't see where you people think the employees are so terrible. I have always had polite, friendly, chatty service. Are you that mad at life?
I find it hard to believe that chatting in a blog is proactive enough to "focus on Buffalo." These are business people who actually DID something.
"be careful what you say now..." Thanks Sheriff, but I will keep my wig on
Joshua: "The store being sold for $275K is really not that much considering how much real estate is in other part of the Nation. I'm sure that this store would sell for close to a million in other cities." Joshua: I am busy working right now, but remind me later to tell you all of the things wrong with your statement. In the meantime, check the meaning of the latin term "Pro Rata".
Joshua, please retire your post from this site. You consistently reveal your own ignorance with your remarks.
You are embarassing yourself.
I don't know, BTD, I think she's saving that engagement ring for the pawn shops that will spring up around the Seneca Casino. She can win it all back, can't she?
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