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  1. Tesla

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    Aug 31st 2007, 21:32

    Having just moved here from the West Coast, I REALLY miss GOOD Mexican food. I am a selective meat eater but this restaurant, Pokez, in San Diego BLEW my mind! The food is wonderful, the place always packed and the prices are unbelievable. A place like this would do extremely well in Buffalo. Great vegetarian food with a few meat choices and Mexican food offers tasty choices without meat, even for a carnivore like me! When my vegetarian daughter recently visited from San Diego, she was a little disappointed in the lack of vegetarian restaurants, she said she's gonna talk to the folks at Pokez (who's rents are $$$$) and try to lure them to Buffalo ;) Hey, at least they could have an East Coast location! Check it out! www.pokezsd.com

  2. Jules

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    Aug 31st 2007, 10:53

    Xener,

    That's like saying it's better to have a restaurant that serves everything (Italian, Chinese, Greek, etc.) than just one specialty because not everyone likes 'just' Italian or whatever. (Yings, Wings and Things anyone?)

    The fact is, the "vegetarian" options at many restaurant aren't true vegetarian. Often dishes are cooked in a pan that just had meat cooked in it without being washed properly. OR they use beef or chicken broth. Do you know how many restaurants I just avoid because I can't trust that I'm eating authentically vegetarian food. I choose not to eat meat for many reasons and I expect that I should be able to maintain an authentic vegetarian diet when I spend my hard-earned money on a meal out.

    Also how much innovation goes into the "vegetarian" options at restaurants that aren't strictly vegetarian? In most cases, not much. But having a dedicated vegetarian restaurant means the chef can experiment with the food and know the customers are going to be excited about trying new things, actually order it, and, if it's good, come back again. We need this type of restaurant here. With any luck, Ben will be the one opening it.

    Ben cooks frequently for our non-veg friends. And not ONE has complained about the lack of meat on the plate and no one has turned down a second (or even third or forth) invite for a well-prepared and inspired plate of food sans the meat.

  3. ChristaSeychew

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    Aug 29th 2007, 13:03

    Auburn Ave- I don't think GL's comment is about the fact that the meat in the photo is baloney, it's about eating a forced meat product that has a smile. I might be wrong, it's just my guess.

    CSA stands for community supported agriculture. Maybe we ought to do a post about that, farm shares and buying whole animals? Would you guys find that interesting?

    And, I am a meat lover through and through, but a well made vegetarian item can be equally delicious. I'm not even suggesting that you use substitute meat products, there are plenty of amazing meatlless options out there. Torches' handmade gnocchi with shitake mushrooms, sage cream sauce and chunks of gorganzola comes to mind.

    al-alo- I think that the people that choose to be vegetarians often make that choice because they are opposed to the consumption of animals and often the use of animal products as well. That cannot be erased or negated by the product being raised organically and/or locally. So, as much as I appreciate your question, I think it would only receive the answer you're looking for from the small number of people that choose vegetarianism solely for environmental reasons. But, keep 'em comin'!

  4. al-alo

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    Aug 29th 2007, 12:50

    now heres a question: is it better for the planet to eat fruit shipped from south america (lots o' carbons produced in transportation, ya know), or beef raised on a local organic farm?

    id perfer a restaurant that uses exclusively local products. local is fresher, good for the local economy, and often better for the environment.

  5. GoldenLark

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    Aug 29th 2007, 12:31

    BTW, that bologna makes me want to throw up.

  6. xener

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    Aug 29th 2007, 15:07

    Auburn Ave: Humans are not carnivores. I always knew this/suspected this, but was at the Smithsonian lately and they confirmed it. Ha. #1: Humans can get all of their bodily nutrients from non-animal sources-- and from a nutrition stand-point, are better off (healthier) if they get all of their nutrition from non-meat sources. #2 : Human do not have the long canine teeth that mark a true carnivore.

  7. ben

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    Aug 29th 2007, 12:39

    i've been vegetarian for 14 years (with my rare pescatarian exploits restricted to Kuni's sushi for the most part), and i have worked in vegetarian restaurants (as a cook) for 6 of those years. i think it is ridiculous that Buffalo hasn't had a vegetarian restaurant since Preservation Hall closed about 8 years ago (yes, i worked there). i have no problem getting veggie burritos or falafel or thai, indian, etc., but i prefer to use what i've learned over the years and concoct elaborate tofu dishes at home. i think we need a real deal place again.

  8. al-alo

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    Aug 29th 2007, 16:07

    christa, id like to suggest porter farms csa. they supply the lex co-op and other us locals with organic veggies.

    id also suggest covering a local meat csa for any article.

  9. Jules

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    Aug 29th 2007, 12:47

    Maybe Ben should open a restaurant as many of his friends have urged him to do.

    Sorry, just trying to get my man to share his culinary gift with the masses. I can attest to his prowess as a vegetarian chef--as I get a wonderful vegetarian dinner cooked by him every night.

    Any investors out there? I have ideas about how to make this really work...

  10. AuburnAve

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    Aug 29th 2007, 15:50

    You are misreading my post. Christa said " Auburn Ave- I don't think GL's comment is about the fact that the meat in the photo is baloney, it's about eating a forced meat product that has a smile." So I thought you had a problem with smiles, thats all babe. :)

    And, dear, trust me, Wunderbar is just as processed. So are Sahlens hot dogs. Both are very yummy. Sorry.

    After all this, I'm going on a search for "Happy Face Baloney" and making my gf a sandwich to see how she likes it!

  11. GoldenLark

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    Aug 29th 2007, 13:28

    I would LOVE to see an article on CSA. I've been interested in farm shares for a while and would love to get involved. I'm guessing it's something you have to sign up for in the spring, but at least we'd be prepared for next year. (Even if we could get into one late, it would be in plenty of time for squash and potatoes.) Also, Christa's right. Bologna is fine with me, especially thick sliced Wunderbar fried with onions on a Costanzo roll topped with Weber's mustard, but that clown bologna is beyond overprocessed.

  12. Listmakertoo

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    Aug 30th 2007, 12:13

    I would love a vegetarian restaurant that served creative and flavorful meals, but I'd be happy to "settle" for more veg. items on the menu at any and all restaurants. (Besides pasta-I hate paying the money for something I can make so easily at home-unless it's really top drawer-as in the gnocchi at Torches.)

    I have been a vegetarian for 9 yrs. and have learned to make whole meals out of the ingredients offered with the meat dishes. But my favorite, when in a good restaurant, is to ask the chef to "whip something up" and surprise me. I am rarely disappointed.

    As to methods of cooking-I have taken a "don't ask, don't tell" philosophy. I do ask about the base of the soup, but I do not delve into the hidden ingredients of each dish or where it's cooked. You know how Mom always had the saying about "the pound of dirt"? I lump it into that.

  13. ChristaSeychew

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    Aug 29th 2007, 13:40

    GL- There are still winter shares left at Native Offerings (they drop off at the Co-op), but their beef and pork shares are sold out. You're right, though. It's not too early to start looking at an '08 share. http://www.nativeofferings.com

  14. AuburnAve

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    Aug 29th 2007, 12:48

    Wait GoldenLark... its ok to criticize baloney but not rice and veg? That's not fair. BARFO..... cranky pants...

    And Christa, what is CSA?

    There is no substitute for meat, sorry. Veg just won't satisfy a "voracious carnivore" like myself. But I would think that if a restaurant advertises itself as vegetarian, they should keep Boca burgers off the beef grill. Only common sence.

  15. Tesla

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    Aug 31st 2007, 21:45

    By the way, I had a chicken Chimichanga that I could not finish since it was seriously big enough for two; price was $5.50!!!

    Man, I wish I hadn't posted about Pokez....I can't get to San Diego right now!

    Anyone with ideas of opening an awesome veggie/mex place, check out Pokez' menu...and then scout for a location! ;)

  16. GoldenLark

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    Aug 29th 2007, 15:59

    Okay, Captian Condescending, but I'll keep my Wunderbar faceless, thanks.

  17. blehpunk

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    Sep 3rd 2007, 01:43

    oh yah and i know pokez. so good.

  18. ChristaSeychew

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    Aug 29th 2007, 16:25

    al-alo,

    Good call on Porter Farms, don't know how they slipped my mind. I almost cried today when I found out that the CSA I planned to buy half a pig from was sold out. So, so sad. If anyone has any thoughts on local pig farmers that would be interested in selling me half of a butchered, locally raised pig, I'd love to hear about it.

  19. GoldenLark

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    Aug 29th 2007, 12:29

    There was an article in the Buffalo News today that talked about "Locavores," or people who try to confine their diet to locally grown food. Interesting article.

    http://www.buffalonews.com/185/story/150783.html

  20. rdominguez

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    Aug 30th 2007, 21:08

    I loved, loved, loved Preservation Hall back in the day and think a vegetarian restaurant would do well on the Elmwood strip. It'd get my money, anyway.

    Christa, a post on CSAs would be great. I'm not sure about where else you can buy half a local pig, but I'll ask around. I know you can get really good, fresh, local lamb in large quantities at Al Noor Grocery on Hertel Avenue (technically I think it's from Rochester but that's still less than 100 miles!)

  21. GoldenLark

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    Aug 29th 2007, 15:42

    See above reference to freakish clown bologna being horribly overprocessed. I'm not really sure how overprocessing applies to pancakes with blueberry smiley faces, unless you use refined white flour. (Which I do, so I guess I could switch to whole wheat. But it's not the same, man. It's just not the same...)

  22. ChristaSeychew

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    Aug 29th 2007, 12:37

    Sorry, GL. I wasn't trying to put anyone off their lunch! I just thought it was funny- and in all honesty, I've been waiting for the opportunity to use this picture! It could turn the hungriest of carnivores a bit green.

    The raw food movement is another biggie, but hasn't shown a lot of staying power- just don't tell Charlie Trotter I said that. Macrobiotics has been around quite awhile (which partially relies on geography as a determination for diet), and as we've mentioned before on YUM, what has been called the "100-Mile Diet" (where everything you eat comes from within a 100-mile radius of your home) is becoming increasingly popular.

    On that note, "CSA" has become a popular term in the culinary world along with regionalism and locavore. I see a lot of evidence of this in Buffalo's high-end restaurants, but I'm excited to see how that shapes food in Buffalo's mid-range restaurants in the next few years.

  23. xener

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    Aug 29th 2007, 15:12

    Ben and Jules: The reason that (in some ways, at least) it is better to have lots of vegetarian choices at a "normal" (ha) restaurant is that within any group of say, 10 people, only one will be vegetarian, the rest may want to eat meat (I stress, not "need" to eat meat, but want to). So, a TOTAL vegetarian restaurant does run the risk of narrowing its clientelle.

    I think that a restaurant that specializes in local/ organic/ ethically raised chicken, beef, etc.. along with a lot of vegetarian options would be a hit. Case in point: I've been vegetarian for 15 years, but my husband is not. He does, howver, try to eat "ethically."

  24. blehpunk

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    Sep 3rd 2007, 01:40

    Yah, cmon buffalo. Open a good veg restaurant. Next month 2 of us (vegans) will be moving in from the west coast and we are spoiled here. I have 2 places in the area that make vegan doughnuts (one exclusively) and we even have a vegan pirate themed restaurant.

  25. AuburnAve

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    Aug 29th 2007, 15:39

    So GL - you don't like to eat food with smiley faces?

    What about pancakes?

  26. chris69

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    Sep 3rd 2007, 04:48

    what I really miss living in Buffalo is the large fresh fruit and veggie markets in other cities that have these enormous juicers.....I swear I was 10 years younger and more energetic stopping by the store and getting a juice drink for lunch, dinner and even late evening snack.