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Uniland Team Shares 250 Delaware Plans with Neighbors


It was a full house last night at the Embassy Suites’ Encore Room where neighbors and others were given an overview of Uniland’s proposed 250 Delaware Avenue mixed-use project.  The 12-story, $80 million project is proposed for the site of the Delaware Court building at Delaware Avenue and W. Chippewa Street and will combine retail, hotel, and office space along with underground and structured parking.  It is being designed by Diamond Schmitt Architects and HHL Architects and will occupy a nearly two-acre site fronting Delaware, W. Chippewa and S. Elmwood Avenue.


Uniland officials stressed that the rendering released is not the final design and will change.  Throughout the meeting company representatives said that they were open to public input on suggested changes.  Architects from Diamond Schmitt were stuck at the border and missed the meeting.

Some project details:

• The existing Delaware Court building will be demolished and designers at Boston Valley Terra Cotta will be replicating the circa-1917 building’s façade for incorporation into the new building.

• A terra cotta louver system will cover floors two through five where the 120 hotel rooms are located.  A terra cotta rain screen system is proposed for a portion of the building’s west façade.

• The building will be 12-stories and 174’ from street level to rooftop.  Much of building’s façade will be fritted glass curtain wall.

• Parking for 62 cars will be located under the building.

• The first floor will be 26’ in height and include four retail spaces, three along Delaware Avenue and one along W. Chippewa Street.

• A 45’ tall, five-level parking garage will contain parking for 465 vehicles and will occupy nearly half of the site including the S. Elwmood Avenue frontage.  There is a shade structure planned for the top level of the ramp.

• The ramp design was the focus of public comments and Uniland officials acknowledge the façade of the ramp is critically important to the surrounding neighborhood and is a work in progress.  Uniland officials said they were open to changes and suggestions.  Current plans show the façade of the ramp covered by a terra cotta louver system.

• There is no retail planned on the first level of the ramp.  Officials said they would like to put retail in the ramp but suggested that the retail market didn’t support it and pointed to Uniland’s 285 Delaware Avenue project where the ground floor space took several years to fill.


• A new access drive on the north end of the site would connect Delaware to South Elmwood Avenue (one way Delaware to Elmwood).  The main building would be built over the driveway creating a covered entrance to the hotel.

• An oval-shaped office building lobby will be located at the Delaware/Chippewa corner.

• There will be a heavily-landscaped courtyard located between the building and the parking ramp.  The hotel’s bar/café will open up to the courtyard that is expected to be the focal-point of the development.

• A two-bay loading dock with overhead door is planned for mid-block along Chippewa Street.

• A restaurant is planned on the second level overlooking the Delaware/Chippewa intersection.  The three-level space will include a lounge on the fourth floor.

• The office floors are 28,000 sq.ft. and fill the seventh thru twelfth floors.  The top floor is slightly recessed from the floors below.  An oval landscaped terrace is planned.

• Demolition and site work is expected to begin early next year and construction will take 16-18 months to complete.  The building would open in late-2015.

Uniland Vice President Michael Montante is proud of Uniland’s commitment to the city, particularly the Delaware Avenue corridor where new private sector investment is accelerating.  “Uniland has accounted for 60 percent of the investment in the Delaware Hub,” he says.



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  1. I’m not an architect or builder so could someone explain the thought process behind putting a 12 story building on half the parcel and a 5 story parking garage on the other half – why would someone not just build a 17 story building that includes 5 floors of parking so the other half of the parcel can be developed down the line? Why waste the space and deaden the streets by having half the land devoted to a parking garage? It’s not like there’s a height limit to deal with and the building’s construction would be similar either way (as opposed to having to go from stick to concrete due to the addition of more floors), as far as I know. What the heck is the benefit of doing it as planned? 
    In an ideal world the site’s current building would remain and a new 17 floor building would be constructed on the site’s current parking lot, but I assume Delaware North is demanding the Delaware Ave. frontage.

  2. A loading dock and parking ramp along half the block on Chippewa St?
    That sure is going to add to the life of the street. I got over losing the Delaware Court building but now I’m having second thoughts. Who cares how many floors it is, it’s what you put at street level that counts.

  3. buffalorr  The building will have a retail space on the W. Chippewa side. You’ve also got to remember that most of the space occupied by the ramp was the gas station and empty parking area before.

  4. I have one wishful recommendation and then I would be 100% behind this project.
    1. Build out the retail space on the first floor of the parking garage. Don’t irreversibly deadly South Elmwood by not putting in any commercial. In return increased pedestrian activity will potentially help the area businesses. Can’t fill the space? Don’t charge high rents. Can you not rent out empty spaces to galleries or nonprofits, small business owners at cost or close to it?
    Lets see that commitment to Buffalo they mentioned.

  5. So, it took years to fill the retail spaces along their 285 Delaware Building? Are you for real? It is currently filled with OFFICES. So, are we to expect the same for these ‘retail’ spaces? And as for the huge parking garage (dead zone) wrapping up along Elmwood onto Chippewa with no commercial space along the first floor, does the new ‘Green Code’ allow such development? I hope not.

  6. jag2 A better option would be to have the parking ramp in the center and make the building horseshoe shaped wrapping all three streets with retail storefronts.  However that would probably turn this into an ~8 story building to maintain the current sq ft needs.

  7. And why do they want to put a ‘drive through’ on Delaware Ave? I enjoy walking on this side of Delaware to avoid the drive-throughs vs across the street with WGRZ, 285 Delaware, Starbucks, etc. The true urban pedestrian enjoys walking down at least one block with out the worry of being mulled by a speeding car without even being a crosswalk. Let’s get it together, Buffalo. When the hell does that ‘Green-Code’ go into effect?

  8. I attended the meeting and one thing that confuses me was the concern with added traffic this will cause once complete?  This is a city!  Traffic is part of the gig, and increased traffic is a positive sign!  That and my neighbors on Cary Street who apparently wanted to live in a quiet suburb plopped in the city but don’t want the hassles of a city.  
    Some complained about the lack of parking due to the teachers at Hutch Tech taking all the street spaces during school days and how during the construction process they will have more of an issue.  First of all blame Hutch Tech for lack of parking or BPS for not making teachers live in the city where they might be less car dependent, but not the property owner across the street who’s proposing a ramp that will alleviate those parking hassles. I do hope they redesign the ramp with a better street presence in mind.

  9. Interesting how the rosey glasses have been taken off with this new thread.
    Thanks @, I agree the attitude of “something is better than nothing” needs to stop in this city.

  10. jag2 I do build commercial buildings for a living. The cost of a building is in the foundation. Constructing parking internal to tenant occupied space in this climate is expensive it adds ventilation requirements, sprinkler requirements which then require water to be kept from freezing, monitoring systems, etc…. Parking internal to occupied structures is necessity in larger urban environments due to the reality of per sq. ft. costs for land, sorry to burst the Bubble, but we aren’t there yet.

  11. greenca 
    It’s not my job to figure out the parking. Uniland is paying two architecture firms with the talent to figure those kinds of things out.

  12. Yea greenca , It’s not Michael DiPasquale job to offer constructive suggestions, just to complain and say it’s someone else’s problem. Typical BRO bs… Everyone is doing it wrong, but no one here can do it right themselves…

  13. brownteeth jag2 Unfortunately, this plan would kill the very desirable large floor plates that Delaware North wants. Some Elmwood Ave street level retail and/or office should be a prerequisite for approval. Retail is desirable but even office space should be acceptable as opposed to a blank wall.

  14. Curb cut on Delaware:  FAIL
    Giant double wide curb cut on Chippewa: FAIL
    Loading dock on Chippewa: FAIL
    Giant souls sucking Parking Garage on Chippewa: FAIL
    If you have to plop your new building on a corner that is already quite nice and productive then you should make sure what you are doing is spectacular in every way.  This project as proposed is not but could be.  At least Chippewa need commercial activation for its whole length.  You can’t have curb cuts on every street you touch!  For Christ’s sake.  Can’t people have at least one sidewalk without having to dodge cars!?  Our car psychosis in the country is absurd.
    Solution.  Build the parking higher and narrower.  Line Chippewa with commercial base with a few floors of residential above.  Or talk with your neighbors to the north and cut a deal to fill the center of the block with parking deck and fill out the rest of the perimeter with uses that activate the urban space.  This project has the potential to be fabulous.  This plan will just lock in more  dull 20th century thinking for another 50 years.

  15. 1stWard 
    That’s been covered.  There apparently isn’t the demand for 20 stories, especially with the  much larger sized floor plates you are proposing.  If there was the demand, Uniland would have increased the size of the building,  They are not going to build unneeded space solely to satisfy people’s size fetishes.  
    We all need to accept economic reality and not simply live in a dream world where money drops from the sky like manna and there is an unlimited demand for commercial space.

  16. So the parking ramp is a big turd.  
    It seems like it’s two structures already with one section holding 31 spaces per floor and the other holding 61.  Why not remove the first structure and add an additional 3 floors on the back deck?
    The only reason I can think for not doing this is that would block the view for the back of the Delaware side on floors 5-9 but I think you could do an interesting living wall on the garage that ties into the courtyard.
    As for the smaller ramp section, why can’t this be a separate building and done as retail/condos?  Hell, you don’t even have to develop it right now.  The footprint of the smaller ramp could easily hold 2 very large condos per floor and run elevators up the back wall.  
    Hate to say this but on this on I agree with Steele

  17. Whatever the final parking ramp configuration is, they should build the ground floor (sidewalk level) with a 14 foot floor to floor height, instead of the more typical 8 foot floor to floor.  This allows for future development of the ground floor as retail space.  Google “Parking garage with first floor retail” and under the images tab there are hundreds of example of garages with retail at grade.  The additional height comes with a cost, but it will be small in the context of an $80 million project.

  18. I understand the concern with foregoing retail on the parking garage stretch, but I have a strategic urban planning question. Since elmwood in this area is already a sort of non urban back alley, and we want to develop chippewa east of this site and its appendages (including main st) with retail, would it be smarter long term to forego retail on this corner with the hope of nurturing it toward main st and gateway?
    Even if dt buffalo grows substantially in population, every new build can’t possibly have 10 retail fronts. My question is *could* this foregoance be good for other vacant spaces along this corridor towards pearl, franklin, Washington and genny?
    There are so many vacant spaces to fill already in buffalo’s deeper urban environments that I thought this (unpopular lol) suggestion was worth bringing up.

  19. I don’t understand.  Every city in America has parking garages what is the big deal?  The parking garage is replacing a gas station and surface parking.  This is a big positive step forward and big time infill.

  20. Caug124 In cities with a stronger development pulse, a 5 story parking garage like this does not get built these days.  The land value would make it so that some type of structure would go over the ramp and street facing property would have some sort of retail or office use.  
    If it was just to be a ramp, a much larger ramp would be constructed to reduce the need for additional ramps.

  21. David Steele Not a fan of this Uniland  project in general, but you have to consider this as progress.  This crappy college bar building has major issues keeping tenants because of the seedy clientele at the respective sidewalk establishments. They are making an effort to pay homage to the existing building, and Diamond and Schmidt are no slouches. 
    The Delaware curb cut has got to go…agreed. The parking ramp should be constructed to be built on in the future.

  22. GotAnyChange 
    The answer to your question is, ‘yes’. We need to centralize retail into one main location (Main St.) and let it expand outward. Why put 4 or 5 shops on the backside of a parking garage, where there is limited traffic,.When you could put them along Chippewa, or Main and have then fill in a couple of vacant store fronts. This would have a larger impact, when compared to the backside of a parking garage. Also, people forget that Bada Bing and the rest of the bars will have to go somewhere, right? This means they’ll fill in storefronts which are currently vacant, making the city more vibrant. In the end it’s a win for everyone.

  23. I would almost rather have a larger parking garage then at this point.  Since they are building it anyawys, why not make it larger to accomodate more than just their building.  If we have enough spaces in garages more surface lots will struggle and will sell to developers willing to build.  I think a good compromise would be to at least make the garage look as little like a garage as possible.  However, I think that they are being short sighted tho in not building a bit more retail.   There are tenants currently in the spaces of the existing buildings as well as a gas station that will no longer be there.  There might be the need for some sort of convienence store as well as several restaurants.  Why not embrace that Hutch tech is right there and gear some stores towards high school students.  Any clue on where the theatre is moving to as well?

  24. brownteeth NewBuffalo were they really holding out or just not contacting any retailers or even trying? If you just ‘hold out’ and not do anything, of course they will sit empty.

  25. solonggone Caug124 Buffalo doesn’t have a strong downtown core. Cities with a strong pulse also don’t have as much surface parking. Building a garage is step forward from my perspective – better than some of the big surface lots we have around. 
    Also, this is a hotel correct? Seems to me like having a parking garage is pretty key.
    Also, the proposal noted issues in previous developments on Delaware with filling storefront retail. You can build the space, but if there isn’t anyone to fill it…

  26. Is it really a good idea to have a beautiful public building, Hutch Tech High School, facing a parking garage? I would love to see something built along South Elmwood that does not contribute to it feeling like a service street.  There are numerous buildings in cities like Baltimore where the parking garage is tucked away inside the building and not even noticeable from street level.  It makes parking more secure, and makes a stroll around the building much more pleasant for pedestrians. Check out the recently completed Union Wharf in Baltimore:

  27. NewBuffalo The big difference between the retail at 285 Delaware and here is that the retail there is INSIDE the building, as in you have to access it through the office lobby and some of it is at the back of the building. So, it has no or lessened street presence. MOST retailers wouldn’t be interested in that. In the bad old days, retailers liked to be inside buildings in Buffalo because they were scared of the streets and felt the only moneyed people that would patronize the shops, but those days have been gone for years now. If those retail spaces directly faced the street, like they are proposing here, they might have done a lot better. But, maybe not: even though that building is literally half a block from this one, it is very different environment for retail possibilities. Chippewa is full of pedestrians, Delaware is not so much.
    The point I’m trying to make is that I think storefronts in the base of the parking garage would do just fine, because this is on Chippewa, which has a retail reputation. However, what others say here is true and I kind of agree – we have tons of empty storefronts downtown in more central locations, so we probably shouldn’t be building more until they fill up.
    The new GreenCode will require storefronts on the first floor of any parking garage. Whether the Zoning Board will enforce that is, of course, a whole other question. (And, while we’re at it, why is it taking the GreenCode forever and a day to even get to the public comment period?)
    I agree with Steele that this has WAY too many curb cuts. (the GreenCode will also address that, alas…) This is making a relatively pedestrian-friendly location a lot more car-friendly which is bad.
    However, I am pleasantly surprised that they are building so (relatively, for Buffalo) little parking. 520 spaces for 120 hotel rooms and 200,000 SF of office space isn’t really that much, and given that it’s in a ramp which is expensive to build and maintain, they will charge through the nose for those spaces for the general public, which is good. Less cars = more mass transit usage. Buffalo needs to evolve toward a more ped/bike/transit city desperately if it wants to compete with more forward-looking cities.
    Agreed on the stupidity of the “this will create more traffic!” comments. This is downtown Buffalo. Traffic and congestion are good things, signs of life. Would you rather it be a ghost town? Oh, wait, it is. How that’s working out for you?

  28. NewBuffalo brownteeth I cant speak to their efforts but judging by the setup, it would be conducive for retail so I imagine that was always their intent.  They’re not the only ones with vacant storefronts either in this area.

  29. If the current state of any building or its lack of good ownership is a
    reason to obliterate a good building then we would have lost a lot of
    buildings that are currently great.  That is not to say something of
    this nature should not happen here.  But as proposed this has fail
    written all over it.  That is without even pointing out the hundreds of
    acres of vacant property and parking lots that are far worse for the city
    than this “college bar” building

  30. Informedone Thanks for the info. Any ballpark on what the increased cost would be (minus the obvious savings – only having to pour foundation for half the site, the value of half the site still being developable land, etc.)? 5%? 25%? I certainly understand that Buffalo can’t support the cost of putting the parking underground, but you see above ground, internal parking in cities/suburbs with even cheaper land than downtown Buffalo. The examples I can think of are 1960s-80s construction tho, so maybe the added costs you mention weren’t a requirement/cost factor back then.

  31. NewBuffalo brownteeth 
    I’m sure Uniland built the retail spaces at 285 Delaware and just sat there waiting for potential retail tenants to contact them.  After all, why would they actually make an effort to collect rent on this space?  It’s more fun taking a loss than making a profit.

  32. greenca I don’t understand, is there not the 4th, logical, option of the loading dock access to be the driveway on the north side. That’s common sense. I wouldn’t be surprised if the finalize site plan flips the loading dock and garden. Have the garden open to the street and the loading dock behind the building…like any building in any other city would be built. Gate the garden off if you want it just for office workers, but at least let everyone walking by look at the green and not a freaking loading dock/dumpsters.

  33. Why not be the first developer to bring the ‘Elmwood Village’ vibe into Downtown? Start with making room for retail and restaurants along the Elmwood Ave. side. (Think about the extra money in rent if filled in?). And people wont be afraid to walk around at night time. We all know how busy our other parking ramps are along the sidewalks at all hours of the day (not). They speak of it not being an active area for retail. Of course not, their is nothing there. So, build it!

  34. Near the Baltimore harbor where everyone hangs out are huge, but architecturally appropriate parking garages. They look great. Without them the waterfront would be dead. Why? Because Baltimore (and Buffalo) are not New York City, that’s why. People drive, like it or not.
    Tweak this project to make it better. And then build it in spite of the 96 people who cherish the existing building.

  35. Attention Uniland:
    Here’s my humble opinion. Ensure that retail along Chippewa St. is in line with the Hampton Inn retail across the street. This creates a inviting street wall that will ensure pedestrian activity and make the building presence more attractive than your current design. see photo:
    Wigs–BSc. Urban Planning

  36. What happened to this plan from Uniland Vice President Michael Montante?
    “I think the exterior of the building, although it needs some refurbishment, is a beautiful building,” Montante said. “You can see the detail that is in the building. Our plan is to restore that.”
    That facade would also be maintained and incorporated into any future development on the site, “whether it is keeping the existing building or building a new building,” he added.

  37. ATTENTION: If in fact a global company is going to be headquartered in this building, along with a big-time hotel, where is it all of you folks who are bashing the parking garage would like people to park? I hate to break it to you, but not everyone lives in the coffee-shop dwelling confines of the Elmwood Village, making this building accessible by big-handle-bar bike. I say this half-joking, of course, but you have to be realistic. And again — it is replacing a SURFACE LOT that formerly harbored a junky-filled GAS STATION. 
    This site is infuriating. I don’t know why I even bother checking the comment section.

  38. I think that the backside of the parking garage needs a drug store/convenience store  built into it at the very least even if no other retail goes in.  It would help mask a dead zone along the back side as well as serve a purpose.  It would serve hutch tech as well as that section of downtown.  Perhaps the owners of Elmwood market would want to open another location, or a large walgreens could be a nice fit for it.

  39. DowntownRising   You’re pushing a lame strawman argument ..since nobody is actually saying “There should be no garage at all”.    Just because it needs a garage doesn’t mean the design should obliterate sidewalk activity in order to have it.   There are better ways to design them.  They’re clearly just not even trying.  
    You might be tired of the “coffee shop crowd”, but I’m tired of all the people that practically have an orgasm over every shiny rendering instead of actually looking at the details.

  40. BeardedBuffalonian solonggone     Delaware North isn’t building anything…. they’re a tenant leasing office space from a mixed-use building which they won’t own.   Uniland is building it along with two architectural firms.

  41. Yeah in other cities, drug stores are built into ground floor retail spaces and can actaully look nice and lively.  If anything being open later gives a better sense of safety too for those concerned about walking around an area with little activity later in the evenings.  I think that people forget that students do have some money to spend and there is a whole school full of teachers right across the street in addition to any near by downtown workers.  CVS and Rite Aid on main street look fine and fit into the downtown core.

  42. 300miles Yeah – duly noted, but again, be realistic. The idea of “throwing a drug store” to appease you and the slue of perpetually negative armchair quarterbacks is ridiculous. RIP, Valero; I guess you were more than a piece of filth gas station.

  43. DowntownRising 300miles     I’m not one to say  “They should have a drug store”  or  “they should have a bar”   or   “They should have a barber shop”.    This isn’t Sim City, and I think the market will drive what business works best there.   But the opportunity for any of those things is gone forever if the streetfront is taken up with garage doors and parking garages.  They shouldn’t kill all prospects of a thriving Chippewa / Delaware corner by cutting into the sidewalk with driveways and loading docks.  They ignored the pedestrian factor and it shows in their design.
    At a minimum, they could design the garage in a way that shop fronts could be added later.  Although that was done once with one of the other downtown garages, and a decade later there has been no attempt to build out that space… so I hesitate to even suggest it.

  44. lafayette1985 
    I like that idea. A drug store might be a tough sell. They all want drive-thru lanes these days. But some kind of convenience store would make some sense here and you’re right: it would bring some life to the Elmwood side of the site. Sounds viable to me.

  45. NBuffGuy This is a *very* good point.  That was the problem with the bank building on Chippewa and Main Street (now M&T) which is glassy and open toward Main, but closed and ugly facing the east side.  One prominent architect back then called this “racist”.  I don’t know if I would go that far, but putting the pretty goodies towards Delaware and Chippewa intentionally or unintentionally caters to the 9-5 commuting business person, and deemphasizes the 24/7 west side residents.

  46. My concern is increased traffic in the neighborhood.  It’s not just 9-5 cars.  A building of this size needs infrastructure.  For example, since the new federal building on Huron, a noisy garbage truck & its dumpster-slamming, wakes us every morning precisely at 5:30 AM.  That’s a big quality of life issue for a city dweller.

  47. cutredtape I think increased traffic in the neighborhood is desirable – this is downtown Buffalo! My worry is that the parking garage facing South Elmwood will have a deadening effect.

  48. cutredtape 
    I agree with you: that’s a real issue. We shouldn’t be so dismissive.
    If I lived on Cary, or Rabin, I’d be concerned about dumpsters at 5:30 every morning. We all should be more sensitive to noise issues for downtown residents if what we desire are more downtown residents. And noise is a somewhat solvable issue. 
    Every single day on this site, bloggers advocate for more residents downtown. They yearn for the day we’ll count ourselves amongst ‘real’ cities, with vibrancy begot by full time residents reveling in downtown’s energy.
    But quality of life issues matter. A lot. Solving some of them needn’t cause grief for anyone else. Other housing options here are too plentiful, too convenient and too cheap to persuade many potential residents to choose the downtown core over other alternatives. Why put up with the noise when a few blocks away you can sleep in peace and quiet, and have a little back yard space to boot?
    It behooves us to pay heed to what makes downtown nice for residents.
    That said, a parking garage is a pretty quiet neighbor.

  49. I try and avoid being negative but come on. You are seriously complaining about noise from a garbage truck. Even in the suburbs you have to deal with that. Every truck starts at like 6am and their route starts somewhere. you sound like those who complained about acropolis making too much noise when it’s in an entertainment district. Excessive noise is one thing but the sounds of everyday life in a city is expected.

  50. lafayette1985 
    no one outside a commercial district has the garbage picked up that early every single day. Once a week is one thing. Daily is another. I see no good reason pickup couldn’t be restricted to an hour later.
    As to Acropolis, I didn’t complain, but I sure would have if I lived in the neighborhood. Elmwood is not an entertainment district. It’s an entertainment district, and a retail district, and a residential district. All of those are important, residents as much as anyone. If all the residents moved out, the businesses would die quickly. If all the businesses moved out, the residential neighborhood would take a hit, but it would not die.
    I’m sorry, but if a business cannot contain its own noise, it should not simply be a matter of tough luck for the neighbors. Noise pollution is pollution. That’s why there have been ordinances on the books for ages regarding ‘disturbing the peace’. Peace and quiet have been seen as a right enforceable by law. There is reason for that.
    Noise might not strike you as a detriment.
    At one time, smog and soot were seen as the inevitable byproducts of modernity. The factory down the street pollutes your air? Big deal! It’s the price you pay. Move out to the country, why don’t you? That’s he attitude many had when it came to air pollution by the mid 20th century. But isn’t the air nicer now? 
    A generally quieter environment is likewise preferable to many, if not most. And residents do have the right to expectations of ‘quiet enjoyment’ (a real estate lease term; you’ll find it in every lease, residential and commercial. Interesting that it’s always phrased that way: the tenant has the right to ‘quiet enjoyment’ of the premises. Meaning the tenant is free to enjoy the place without being disturbed by the landlord’s interference, but it’s interesting that it is described as ‘quiet’).
    Anyway, in the battle betwixt Acropolis vs. residents, I am solidly behind the residents. Acropolis wants to entertain? Great. But keep noise to discreet levels after certain hours. They’re not entertaining in a vacuum. The vitality of the strip is enabled primarily by residents. It is the density of and the wealth of the residents surrounding Elmwood which enables businesses like Acropolis to operate in the physically safe and economically viable environment they enjoy. That environment is not a desert. It’s not empty wilderness past the storefronts on the street. Without all those people living right there, Acropolis and others couldn’t survive.
    So if Acropolis cannot contain its noise, then it has to restrict it to hours which don’t interfere with the other neighbors sharing the same physical environment. Entertaining or not, your neighbor doesn’t have the right to throw parties every night which stop you and your other neighbors from sleeping. If he did, you’d eventually call the cops. This is the same thing. The fact that one entity (Acropolis) is a business doesn’t trump the rights of the guy living next door.

  51. I’m not advocating a free for all for
    noise. I just think that complaining about the sounds of a garbage truck as ruining your quality of life is a bit ridiculous and just is another example
    of buffalo having people fight everything. Lets oppose this hotel in case they are going to have early morning garbage pick up. Again it’s downtown it’s going to be slightly louder than the country side. maybe the building or home you live in needs better insulation to block outside noises

  52. If I had the luxury of being able to tell the developers what to do, I’d say put a Trader Joes on the Elmwood side of the building, like the one that’s opening up on NF Blvd. TJ’s is a great alternative for groceries and other items who’s brand is very popular in S. California. I think this area of the city could use alternatives to what’s there now as far as food shopping. There are already enough Rite Aids and Mini Marts serving the city.

  53. biniszkiewicz
    “But keep noise to discreet levels after certain hours.”
    1. The Acroplois-specific rules the Common Council attempted to impose (before being overturned in State Supreme Court which should’ve been very embarrassing to the Council) seemed to have little to do with noise levels.  For instance, mandating that a bar can’t be on its 2nd floor, etc.
    2. There was already a noise ordinance in City Law with a max # of decibels at some distance.  That should’ve been the enforcement mechanism, it seems to me.  Incompetence on city govt’s part if that law isn’t adequate &/or the city passed that law’s wording without also having equipment & training to implement it.

  54. lafayette1985 my building in NYC has a Drug store on the ground floor and its the best thing ever.  Left your tooth brush on vacation? you can grab one real quick.  Looking for a late night snake – no problem.  Its a big reason why i havent moved in 5 years

  55. “Build the parking ramp skinier!”
    “encorporate the parking into the building to make it taller!”
    “Add more floors!”
    “Build the parking underground!”

    Yes – it all sounds nice, but our fantasy’s would cost developers millions more and could possibly not make this project financially feasible.

  56. lafayette1985 Actually, Iiving across from Hutch Tech on Whitney, they pick up the trash nearly every day as early as 4AM.  It’s very loud.  I dealt with it because my house just happened to be that close to the switch between commercial and residential.  The solution is probably to have it picked up at 6 PM so that the parking lot is empty but not to disrupt the neighborhood at such an early hour.

  57. cutredtape NBuffGuy The configuration of Goldome Center when built was with the plan that the east side of the building would eventually have a mirror image companion building built on that site integrating into the existing structure. At the time Goldome was going through the S&L boom, and when it all went bust, the plans were, of course, scrapped.

  58. lafayette1985 It’s not the sound of a garbage truck.  You have obviously never lived near someplace that pays for dumpster service.  It is the loud crashing, slamming of the dumpster, first onto the truck a couple of times to empty it, then onto the ground as they replace it.  It far exceeds the noise of your weekly garbage truck.

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