City February 16, 2013 12:00 AM

What if Buffalo got its own state?

What if Buffalo got its own state?
This map of the United States is a thought experiment designed by artist and urban planner Neil Freeman.  He lives in New York City and runs a website of his work called Fake is the New Real where he has his artwork and thoughts posted.  Much of his work deals with urbanism and mapping.  One interesting piece, for instance,  compares the variation of urban pattern between Chicago and New York.  He overlaid all the streets of Chicago and New York in separate images centered on a single point revealing a dramatic graphic form distinct for each city.  

The map posted here caught my eye.  It has a geographical, political, and demographic message. It reapportions the 50 states into areas encompassing roughly equal populations of 6 million each.  The land areas of states differ dramatically based on the density of populations across the country.  He gives the states new names and divvies up new electoral college vote quantities that are equal for each state. He describes it as a map for electoral college reform.  In a way this map is more about the Senate however. Currently each state gets two Senators, no matter how small or how big their population is.  So for instance, California with the biggest economy and the biggest population (currently closing in on 40 million people) gets just 2 US Senators - the same number as little itty bitty Alaska with a population smaller than Erie County. Of course being in New York State along with gigantic New York City, poor little Buffalo and Erie County basically get no real Senatorial representation.

So in the map Buffalo gets its own state of 6 million with its own 2 Senators, where it is the largest city.  Buffalo's state would be called Adirondack and would encompass much of Upstate NY and most of New England. Many of the names Freeman gave the new 50 states are interesting but lost on me.  Chicago is in the state of Gary which is obviously a bit of snark aimed at that city. California is divided roughly into 4 states giving it 8 Senators to its current 2.  Maybe that would break the conservative filibuster strangle hold in congress. This will never happen of course but it is fun to think about.

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Nice to see an update on a proposal that has gently graced the idea books for the past 200+ years. Of course the idea is absurd, but it is nothing new at all. Various visions of state apportionment based on population have been put forth since shortly after the Declaration of Independence was signed. Most have been a cartographic fantasy to illustrate the disparity in congressional representation, just like this one.

(Remember that the only reason our capital was built upon the swamps of the Potomac was because of consideration to the southern states who were very far removed from the overwhelming population density of Philadelphia and Boston. Today, such a compromise would place our nation's capital in Missouri.

The last similar map that I recall seeing bundled all of Florida and portions of the Gulf Coast into a state called Tropicana. The vast majority of the West Coast was called Pacifica, and Texas had annexed several adjacent states to reclaim the name Tejas. On that same map, NY PA OH and even IL were subdivided into a jumble of districts that would confound even today's most anti-gerrymandering legislator.

The state of Gary is not a slap at Chicago. Just as Buffalo won the terminus to the Erie Canal and quickly annexed the much larger town of Black Rock... Gary was the prime seaport of Lake Michigan until the railroads began to favor a terminus at Chicago. Toledo was part of Michigan until Ohio fought a war to annex it (and the rivalry repeats itself every football season).

Even my parents remember when the miniscule cathedral in Atlanta, which now oversees the Catholic Church for the entire southeast, was simply a wilderness outpost for the greater Archdiocese of Savanna in the 1930s. Savanna's minor cathedral is vast after its expansion 150 years ago. Atlanta still squeezes its archbishop and two auxiliary bishops into a space approximately a third the size of Buffalo's tiny Old St Joseph cathedral. The minority Catholic population 50 years later is nearly the same as all of WNY's multidenominational census. Mass starts at noon... old ladies are fighting for seats at 10:15

Our nation's population changes daily. Even the census every 10 years cannot accurately give equal representation per voter.
We could draw a map that includes Buffalo as part of Canada, rather than see a civil war between us and Boston.

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In 1791, Vermont joined the Union as the fourteenth state — becoming the first state to enter the Union after the original thirteen colonies, and was comprised entirely of land previously thought to be part of New York State.


ARTICLE IV. SECTION 3.

"New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress."


Presumably a vote in Albany would doable (as we resent NYC's control of all of the state's political and governmental institutions; and NYC resents being associated with us bumpkins).

A Congressional vote would live or die on the whims of national politics -- particularly the implications on the membership of the US Senate. New York is expected to produce 2 solidly Democrat Senate seats, which would be more true if the state were partitioned.

A "State of Upper New York" (or whatever the name) would be seen as a genuine political battleground, having no structural demographic political bias. That could be seen positively by both parties, and make for some movement on the issue.

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Matt's presumption looks mistaken to me
m.r>"Presumably a vote in Albany would doable (as ... NYC resents being associated with us bumpkins)."

Even if true that NYC resents us, downstate politicians have good reasons to reject a splitting into 2 states.

Upstate's population loss has shifted power even more to downstate in the legislature redistricting and statewide office elections for governor, etc.
So upstate in general can't block what downstate wants state govt to do.

Allowing upstate to split into its own state would mean a loss to the remaining 'NY state' (downstate) of natural energy resources like the state govt's ownership of hydropower in Niagara & St Lawrence, and future state govt tax revenues from natural gas fracking. Not to mention other long term investments like prisons and SUNY, much of which are upstate.

I'd also doubt D's in Congress would approve a split, since the current 2-0 advantage in Senate votes would become 2 Ds downstate plus 2 competitive seats in the new state of upstate where Rs often win House seats, and possibly a new occasional swing state in presidential elections.
But I don't think it would even get to D.C. for a vote, since downstate wouldn't want to let go of upstate's energy resource$ (even if some down there resent upstaters).

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plus there is the fact that new york city is the largest source of state revenue. in turn, albany redistributes it to buffalo (rochester, syracuse, utica), far more than it gets back in tax revenues from us. so, basically, wall street pays our rent.

kind of inconvenient for those who see a socialist under every bed except their own.

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grad - all that's true (which is what Fisher keeps saying in AV), but what I was trying to say is that's a very incomplete and static way of looking at it.

Although NYC/downstate do bail out and subsidize WNY/upstate, the argument is that a big part of why it's needed is because having more fiscally-left-leaning NYC/downstate be essentially in full control of NYS govt causes businesses (even residents sometimes) to instead choose neighboring states where laws, regulations, and taxes aren't as challenging.

Not only tax rates, but also things like Taylor, Triborough, Wicks, prevailing wage, etc - yesterday's BN had a couple of articles about this, btw.
Plus many of the NYS mandates on local govts & school districts, double the per-capita Medicaid spending of any other state, etc, etc.
Basically, the stuff Paladino wanted to fix for us if Cuomo hadn't edged him out by 30% of the vote. That stuff doesn't much hurt NYC/downstate because of its unique demand levels to be there, similar to California in a way. But most of upstate NY is interchangeable with other northern or midwest states.

It's sort of like if a parent won't allow a 17 year old to work at a job but then wants endless thanks for paying an allowance every week.
Not exactly, but that's the idea.
Or maybe like a kept woman/man. Something like that - lol

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Buffalo's welfare burden would kill us in a day!

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While Buffalo would be represented better in congress because of that, the city would still be only a little more than 1/6th of the population, compared to 1/20th it does in New York State.

Also should be noted is that Rochester would have 1/6th of the new state's population, Albany nearly would have little less than 1/6th, and Syracuse 1/10th. Just pointing out that Buffalo still has a lot of competition. And looking at metro growth rates if they continue, Rochester could easily take over as the largest city in just 20 years.

However this would beneficial either way for Buffalo as these cities all are in similar dispositions.

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On closer inspection I see that Chicago is its own state surrounded by Gary. Milwaukee is in Gary however.

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Breaking up California would not break any filibuster stranglehold because those additional senators are not automatically going to be Democrats. California has some very conservative sections too. Nixon and Reagan were both Californians. Plus it is only a conservative stranglehold half the time; the other half of the time it is a leftist stranglehold.

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California is not the Califonia of Reagan anymore

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Would Adirondack be an economically viable entity? It would force some hard but necessary changes that is for sure.

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Why wouldn't it? I am thinking it would be much more viable than it is now.

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I agree with steel about viability.

Adirondack looks similar in geography and metro areas to current state of Wisconsin which is viable.
Metros of Buffalo & Roch combined are slightly bigger than Milwaukee's, while Syracuse & Albany seem similar to Madison, etc., and the remainder has a lot of successful farming regions in what's now upstate NY and Vermont. Plus at least some of the fracking region south of the Finger Lakes, hydropower & borders w/ Canada on both sides of Lake Ontario, plus Ben & Jerry's HQ - lol, … it would vie just fine.

Metro areas in upstate would lose subsidizing they now receive from downstate NYS which the Artvoice writer likes to point at so gratefully, but (as with Wisconsin now) in Adirondack they'd benefit from being much more toward the center for fiscal politics and less business hostility - compared with current NYS.

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Would the new state of Buffalo include the neighboring city of Lackawanna? A more realistic idea is both Buffalo and Lackawanna being separated from Erie County and made a county of their own. I am sure the suburban and exurban towns and villages would love to rid themselves of the two cities of Buffalo and Lackawanna.

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Very interesting material and like the idea but again...Buffalo would get shafted in something like this. WNY is more Mid-West than New England.

Would much rather see a combo of Cleveland / Erie / Buffalo than having Buffalo in the same state as areas now found in VT, NH and Maine.

Would be interesting to see what could be done with all of that power.....

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"Many of the names Freeman gave the new 50 states are interesting but lost on me."


Let's hear it from the man himself:

The capitals of the states are existing states capitals where possible, otherwise large or central cities have been chosen. The suggested names of the new states are taken mainly from geographical features:

mountain ranges or peaks, or caves – Adirondack, Allegheny, Blue Ridge, Chinati, Mammoth, Mesabi, Ozark, Pocono, Rainier, Shasta, Shenandoah and Shiprock
rivers – Atchafalaya, Menominee, Maumee, Nodaway, Sangamon, Scioto, Susquehanna, Trinity and Willimantic
historical or ecological regions – Big Thicket, Firelands and Tidewater
bays, capes, lakes and aquifers – Casco, Tampa Bay, Canaveral, Mendocino, Ogallala, Salt Lake and Throgs Neck
songs – Gary, Muskogee and Temecula
cities – Atlanta, Chicago, Columbia, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Newark, Philadelphia, Phoenix and Washington
plants – Tule and Yerba Buena
people – King and Orange

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I say make us part of Canada. With government health care around the corner, and the fact that we are probably share more culturally with Canadians than other Americans anyways why not. At least then we could put the Duty Free say at the Clarence tolls aka the new customs, Labatt isn't imported, and we have much better ballets; I don't know if the tagline of Hockey Heaven will fly though.

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Who would sign up to live in "Ozark"?

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What we have doing for the last 100 years hasn't worked, so this sounds great.

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It wouldn't entirely surprise me if the United States ends up splintering into something more closely resembling city-states. Maybe in my lifetime, maybe not. As resource depletion (especially but not limited to oil and natural gas) become more and more significant, economies are going to become much more locally based, requiring more autonomous local government. I don't see how the federal and state governments will be able to continue to micromanage local affairs forever.

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The naming of sports teams would be an utter disaster.

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Let's discuss whether Buffalo should get its own planet. Venus or Mercury, for example. Or maybe its own solar system?

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