Walking in a Winter Wonderland: The view from Rochester
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Leave a commentRochester has had a long history of saving the taxpayers money by using private non-union contractors.
There are many fine people in Rochester that put a bid in and use their pickup with a plow in the front and they are responsible for a certain district or area. In many cases the conscientiousness of the private contractor wanting to re-instate their contract for the next year is both cheaper and superior to that of unionized civil servants that plow.
Civil servants just bread political corruption. They are places politicians put their campaign donors and staff volunteers or repay favors to the business/political community. There are so many municipal, county and state patronage corruption type positions that our tax rates are the highest in the nation even while upstate ny is among the worst for new business investment and expansion because of unions and taxes.
private contracts, like rochester, I could support.
another expansion of civil servants and union contracts and political corruption...forget about it.
look at what the current civil servants give Buffalo, unfilled potholes, unrepaired curbs and sidewalks, unrepaired sewars and water mains, antiquated highway style street lights, no street cleaning, no tree planting, no sidestreet plowing, ... and somehow...the expectation is that civil servants will do a superior job with sidewalks.
we have every likelihood that civil servants will provide the same substandard service with sidewalks, that we get with our streets and with our public school system. all disasters.
I visited one of the most walkable cities i've ever seen (especially during winter) in Quebec city last weekend. As tourists we were easily able to get around by foot and by use of their bus system. The people who live there embrace their cold weather city and winter does not seem to slow anything down, plus they had a fleet of small tank tracked vehicles keeping the sidewalks clear. As a cold weather town we could learn a lot from Quebec City.
Why should homeowners that are willing and able to shovel their sidewalks be taxed to cover all the lazy home owners. I think instead of hiring contractors to plow, city should hire inspectors and attorneys to enforce the current laws on books and fine homeowners and businesses should be paying for their own removal. Part of home ownership is it's maintenance which includes snow removal and grass cutting. If a resident has no time or desire to keep up their property get an apartment or condo. I spent plenty of time in my youth shoveling or cutting grass to earn money for things I wanted and it also kept me out of trouble. There is no reason to have more city services to do this. As stated above, city is barely handling what is on their plate now and exception can always be made for the elderly.
Who says they are lazy? Lots of elderly people about, or people with maybe heart conditions. Also those that have to be at work by 7 or 8 and who the heck wants to come home and shovel in the dark? 50 bucks is totally worth it. Sorry if it takes away from your beer money. Thats what happens in such a poor city. People can't/won't pay for a great service. But I bet you can swing a cell phone bill and cable :-)
I have a neighbor who's 72 and he plows and shovels more than my 29 year old neighbor, so age or health is no excuse. If anything get out there and get some exercise.
nothing about municipal sidewalk plowing eliminates opportunities for winter exercise. if you are so inclined, you can still shovel your driveway and the walk up to your front door.
Wait, a Ra Cha Cha guy writing something for BUFFALO Rising?! Mon Dieu!
Seriously, Jason, glad you wrote this, and great to see your byline here. It would be great to have you back in Buffalo, but I'm afraid that might leave planning & zoning in Rochester bereft of any semblance of good sense.*
Sidewalk plowing is indeed a great service in Rochester. So much so that many take it for granted and grumble about any missed spot or damaged garden tchotchkes that were installed too close to the sidewalk. In fact, when a former mayor would go on a local radio call-in program, you could guarantee there would always be at least one caller complaining about a sidewalk plow. That mayor would then place things in perspective by suggesting that if the service was so objectionable, perhaps it should go away and all the responsibility return to the homeowners. That usually shut them up pretty quickly.
The other, hidden value of this service is that, by plowing sidewalks city-wide, the City is also clearing the sidewalks in front of vacant properties it owns (something cities in general, and Buffalo specifically, fail to do). That increases the moral authority of the City to ticket property owners that aren't keeping up their end of responsible property ownership and maintenance. Along those lines, Syracuse City Council (I believe) recently voted down giving City inspectors the authority to issue tickets for improper snow removal, because the Council said that the City wasn't doing an adequate job with its own properties.
*The views expressed are my own.
Thought I had read on BR that Rochester only plows walks which are 5 foot or wider. True or False? If so doesn't that eliminate most residential?
false. rochester has 878 miles of sidewalks and plows all of them.
“Rochester has more than 677 lane-miles of main, arterial streets, more than 925 lane-miles of residential streets and 878 miles of sidewalks.”
http://www.cityofrochester.gov/article.aspx?id=8589956060
“The City plows 878 miles of sidewalks. These miles are divided into distinct sidewalk plow runs of approximately 15 miles.”
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In previous BR discussion, some including me were at first very skeptical - wrongly it seems - that Roch could do this as fully as was claimed for price tag of $32 extra per average homestead as of 2010 says the Roch city webpage. Maybe it's raised a bit since then to $55, or maybe Jason has an above average property. Still reasonable.
However, after strong arguments there - mostly from grad - and digging deeper with info from their city budget (link to that is from my later comment here, btw) - it became clear Roch really does as claimed - after 4" snowfalls for most residential sidewalks as well as in commercial areas.
It's impressive that they found a way to do it in a not crazy priced way by bidding out all sidewalk plowing to private contractors.
Still, having Buffalo raise taxes to start doing this in addition to everything else it already pays for doesn't sound like a good idea. Although an extra $30 or $50 every year payment from many households isn't a big deal, it would be to others in many parts of the city.
If the extra $4M or $5M could be funded by cutting that amount of worse spending in the City budget, great - but far fetched since there's a lot of political support for continuing that worse current spending too.
Another q is would Buffalo's govt be as efficient and effective as Roch is in managing a system of this privately bid out work?
just had to repeat this essential quote from jason's piece for those determined to ignore it:
...sidewalks are a transportation system, and we cannot depend on thousands of private individuals to clear the individual portion of it next to their property. Systems cannot work that way.
the sidewalk in front of your house is no more your private property (and therefore your personal responsibility) than the street in front of your house.
if the sidewalk was your private property and you didn't feel like maintaining it, you'd be free to rip it out and replace it with fencing, bamboo stands, artful boulder arrangements, goldfish pools, tomato plants, an addition to your house, or anything else allowed by code. but you are not free to rip it out because it is not yours.
the sidewalk is a public right-of-way and the public deserves safe, equitable use of the r-o-w, whether they are on foot or in a vehicle.
privileging drivers over walkers is an increasingly discredited urban strategy. it was cutting edge thinking in maybe 1935. we've had 75 years to judge how it turned out.
BTW, another HUUUUUGE benny of having sidewalks plowed by the City is that they also plow the bike paths.
for $55/yr per property I'd happily adopt contractor sidewalk plowing. It's cheaper than paying tenants or private contractors (on an individual basis) and it's easier than transporting a snow blower around town every time it snows enough (which seems to be only a handful of times a year lately).
Something really doesn't seem right about all of it. Buffalo and Rochester have the same law in regards to clearing your walk. Rochester has a supplemental service, which they pay for,that every time a storm drops X amount of snow the sidewalk plows come.
I still don't really understand how much one is charged for this service. Is it calculated by every time those private contractors come out to remove the snow? Is it calculated by property frontage? A combination of both?
You used your 2011-2012 tax bill as an example. I am fairly certain my house would have never seen or needed a sidewalk plow in 2011-2012. Would I have been charged?
Also please don't say something is missing or besides the point when it clearly and completely is not doing so.
reading the article is often helpful. as the author wrote:
The program is paid for by a special assessment on property tax bills (see below), logically based on the linear feet of frontage your property has. In my case, my property is 70 feet wide and I paid $55.72 in the past year, or about 80 cents per linear foot.
my guess (and i assume i will be corrected if i am mistaken) is that rochesterians pay a flat rate regardless of the volume of snow that falls in a given winter.
Reading the article is often helpful but not in this case now is it? My question is pretty straight forward: How do they calculate the bill each year? Clearly more is involved than property frontage.
guess i don't understand why you reached that conclusion. why is frontage not a satisfactory basis for the sidewalk plowing tax rate?
Why is it not satisfactory basis based solely around linear foot? So there's no difference of being charged $10 per foot versus $1 per foot as long as it is based around linear footage? I ask again, how do they calculate the bill each year.
I also love how people act like they will never have to clear their walks ever again. You still would be required to clear them just as often except when a storm drops a certain number of inches. Even then, whatever is left over by the sidewalk plows you are still required to clear. It is a supplemental service that you would be paying for.
I think Buffalo is superior to Rochester in many respects but the 2 things that Buffalo overwhelmingly failes in comparison to Rochester is:
1) Buffalo has very few wealthy powerful influential people who are interesting in acting as stewards for the city, particularly if it means any type of sacrifice on their part.
2) Buffalo has a pattern of being like those parasitic wasps that lay their egg an an ant or other insect. They eat the brain and control the body until the insect dies. Whether it is albany's control, or the civil service unions or minority control over the common council and mayors office, or patronage or incestuous but parasitic businesses that feed off municipal contracts or general corruption. Buffalo has been BRAINLESS for DECADES!!!
Shoveling sidewalks wont improve Buffalo...it will just provide another necrotic expression for brainless government.
Sometimes doesn't Rochester seem like Buffalo's nerdy sibling who gets better grades?
But maybe it balances out with us having a more fun social life and being better at sports.
This is a very thoughtful and insightful posting.
Re: ". . . sidewalks are a transportation system"
I concur! For years, I’ve been privileged to use that mode for walking to work. In approximately 15 minutes, I can step to City Hall, Tops, PriceRite, Family Dollar, Post Office, dry cleaners, florists, hardware store, shoe repair (Key Bank, Chippewa St.), antique shops, Rust Belt Books, Buffalo General, Roswell, MANY restaurants, Spot Coffee, Starbucks, Sheas, Market Arcade Theater and other businesses in the Theater District, Tim Horton, Dunkin Donuts, Washington Market, Babeville, real estate office, veterinarian, lawyers’ offices, Kleinhans, police station, copy stores, picture framers, Avant, Emerson Commons (BPS students/chefs) – Phew! Etc., Etc.
Re: ". . . The more important issue is why the public space for cars (streets) get so much more attention than the public space for people (sidewalks)."
I suspect it’s because the City Hall folks that could put this on the front-burner are in an automobile state of mind. Their elevation via inflated four tires probably leaves them oblivious to ground level concerns.
Another thought – if a similar assessment calculation was based on frontage, in Buffalo, it might often fall quite a bit below $55 annually. There are a large number of properties that are only 25 feet wide – especially on the lower Westside and Eastside.
Impossible to be within a 15 minute walk of all you claim. You are either delusional or a liar.
No, that seems about right for someone living in Allentown.
ForestBird – Before you unload your offensive accusations, you should do some research. I have no reason to lie. My 2/24 listing is from on-going experiences.
I stated "approximately" because some places I can get to in less than 15 minutes – others might require almost 20 minutes for arrival from my home.
Additionally, included under "Etc" are churches, two banks, metro station (formerly the Theater stop) now the Fountain Plaza stop, Rite Aid, Walgreens, 710 Theater, and more.
P.S. I'm sticking my tongue out at you.
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I see sidewalks that are plowed in the city and people still walk in the street. So i'll pass on wasting money on private contractors.
True, to some degree, but sometimes people walk in the street because the sidewalk is cleared only at every other house, or so. If entire block-long stretches were better maintained, maybe we'd see fewer people in the streets. I know...maybe.
Trust me I look, before passing judgement. If it's not shoveled they get a pass, but I was driving down Clinton the other day and this girl was ditty boppin down the street right in the middle of the road and sidewalk was cleaned for about 300 yards. I rolled down my window and told her she wasn't supposed to be walking in the street and she gave me this stupid look and kept walking. Then a guy turned off Bailey and beeped at her. I see it all the time, especially on the East Side.