Regional February 7, 2013 2:40 PM

Uncovered Structural Engineering Report Declares Bethlehem Steel Administration Building Structurally Sound

Uncovered Structural Engineering Report Declares Bethlehem Steel Administration Building Structurally Sound
The fight is far from over in Lackawanna to save the Bethlehem Steel Administration building. Although demolition at the rear of the building started two weeks ago, it has been halted for the last six days for unknown reasons. So far only the small chemistry lab, which was a later addition, has been demolished. The remainder of the structure remains standing.
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New evidence has come to light that the building is in fact structurally sound despite the consistent information to the contrary by the owners of the building, Gateway Trade Center and the mayor of Lackawanna, Mayor Geoffrey Szymanski. Both have insisted that structural and engineering reports for the building have deemed it structurally unsound.
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This independent report was withheld from the courts by the City of Lackawanna and the Gateway Trade Center owner, Steven Detwiler. The truth has been revealed thanks to the perseverance of members in the Lackawanna Industrial Heritage Group (LIHG), Meagan Baco, David Torke, Lesley Horowitz, and Dana Saylor. Additionally, they received help from two attorneys who are new to Buffalo, Michael Raleigh and Paul Fusco-Gessick. The structural report was obtained by filing a Freedom of Information Act (FOIL) request. 

The full structural report that was completed by Klepper, Hahn, & Hyatt on August 3, 2012 reveals a different story than the owners and the mayor have been peddling; the building is in fact, structurally sound. To read the full report, click here.
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The report details the existing condition of the building and notes the limitations of the study, but ultimately concluded, "We believe the overall building structure to be sound and not at imminent risk of collapse at this time. The collapsing ceilings and abundance of debris observed in the building gives a false illusion of the floors collapsing." It went on to say, "the steel beams have surface rust however we did not observe major scaling or failure of the major structural elements" and "we did not observe large areas of the floor or roof structure that appeared to be on the verge of collapse." Once again, the full report can be read by clicking here.

While there were two other engineering reports completed that claim the building is not structurally sound, this report is the only one where the consultants were allowed inside the building for their review, giving them the most comprehensive look at the structure that anyone has had thus far.

With this new information in hand, the LIHG (plaintiff) has brought a lawsuit against the owner at Gateway Trade Center, Steven Detweiler (defendant) to halt all demolition until an investigation can take place.
Bethlehem Steel North Office Building - c 1903
Photo credit: David Torke, fixBuffalo

I've taken the liberty of assembling the best quotes from Mayor Szymanski that illustrate his ignorance and lack of foresight with this grand cathedral of industry:

"It's time to move on. I think that building is a prime representation of this entire region. It used to be beautiful, it used to be full of work, and now it's abandoned, unsafe, unused, unwanted and it's time we got more progressive. Bring down that building, bring down the silos and bring down the grain elevators, and let's get this city moving," Szymanski said.

Told that the City of Buffalo was beginning to find new uses for its grain elevators, Szymanski answered, "That's why Buffalo looks like it does."

He also said he didn't believe a building abandoned for about 30 years and without heat could come back, noting that two structural engineering reports cast doubt on the building's future.

"That building has nothing but sentimental value," Szymanski said.

Judge lifts stay on demolition, -Buffalo News 11/27/12


"Pittsburgh adjusted, Cleveland adjusted. Buffalo has not and if we don't start making moves and start getting rid of stuff that is unusable, than we are going to continue to stay where we're at, which is nowhere."



"I am tired of hearing about our glorious past. I think preservation societies are only trying to preserve what once was as opposed to moving our region in a positive direction."
          Slated demolition of landmark delayed, -WIVB 5/22/12

The video below is worth a repost and offers a glimpse at what could have been and could still be if Lackawanna had a forward-thinking mayor. Video courtesy of WGRZ 11/15/12 "Two Communities, Two Fates for Former Bethlehem Steel Sites"



For additional information about the demolition and previous attempts to halt it, check out an article here and here from fixBuffalo. Also,  be sure to check out the I'm Steel Standing website for more updates and history.
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This is AWESOME news!In yo face Szymanski!

(I hope people are still calling his house by the way ;)

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Yep, now let's do a study to determine if Szymanski is mentally sound...

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Ok, so it's not structurally unsound, they are still fully within their right to demolish the building. What is the next step? Has there been an offer to created a 501(c)3 to purchase the building and become it's steward?

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"Has there been an offer to created a 501(c)3 to purchase the building and become it's steward?"

nick - that's a great question. When I've asked things like that about this building, there wasn't always a good reaction… but perhaps you asking it will be better received.

Another question is who exactly were the developers who supposedly offered to buy the building as a BR post said recently, and what were the offers, conditions etc.?
http://www.buffalorising.com/2013/01/bethlehem-steel-demolition-begun-citizens-gather-at-cathedral-of-industry-protest-failure-of-leaders.html
"… The Lackawanna Industrial Heritage Group (LIHG) has learned that Gateway Trade TURNED DOWN several offers of developers to take control of the property, after allowing them to tour the site. ..."

If that's true (and I'm not claiming it isn't… just skeptical for now), then wouldn't this be a smart time for those offers to be made fully public in detail?

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They are not fully within their right to demolish the building when it has value to the community.

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I appreciate that emotional sentiment, but without a preservation ordinance, this could be the Sistine Chapel and it could be demolished as-of-right. This is both an emotional issue and a policy/economic development issue and without addressing both sides, you will have a hole in the ground. Facts are unemotional.

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As a matter of fact, yes. The Poette Family Trust (as in "Doobie" Dave Poette) has come forward and assumed stewardship.

replied to nick
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That is an interesting question and a valid one but of course the building has been abused on its owners to the point that it will be extraordinarily expensive to repair. The same thing was done to central terminal and the non profit that stepped up to save it is struggling just to repair the basic damage of years of decay and architectural striping. So now after years of illegal disinvestment and a city that does not enforce its laws your question suggests that this demolition is not in fact the owner's fault and is not in fact the city's fault but is the fault of the people pointing out bow short sighted it is to remove a valuable historic building that can never be replaced.

I don't understand that logic.

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Obviously the building's state of disrepair is due to the owner's lack of maintenance. One solution to that issue is repair and remedying any code violations. The other remedy is to demolish the building and this is their right. None of the other factors you mention matter, 30 years of abandonment, they could have demolished this building back when they first bought it. Bethlehem could have demolished it in 1982, 72, 52, 22 and so on. How it got to this place doesn't really matter, moving forward does. Clearly Gateway doesn't have any use for this building, unless someone or some organization steps up, this building will go away.

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@Steel -

Why can't this building ever be replicated?

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COST

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"..if we don't start making moves and start getting rid of stuff that is unusable..."

I agree and I think the first thing that should go is the City of Lackawanna. Seriously. What do we need it for? What good is it? What can it possibly be good for except to keep a bunch of politicians employed and put another useless layer of bureaucracy and red tape in the way of any progress?

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lmao, this article is a joke, stop crying. the building is half gone. move on people. its like a 3yo who does not get his way

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Yea move on people we need progress how can we have progress if this site is not turned into a weed filled wasteland

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And now the EPA is there. Luckily the asbestos abatement contractor got greedy and decided to break some laws. This will hold the demolition up even longer.

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"...this report is the only one where the consultants were allowed inside the building for their review..."

Huh? The other reports were written by people that didn't even go inside the building? How does that work?

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Maybe awarding a demolition contract is a lucrative venture to someone in a town where these things don't happen often.

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That's great. Thanks for the info, Mike. The Geoff compilation is especially nice.


"was withheld from the courts by the City of Lackawanna and the Gateway Trade Center owner"

Any indication if there can be charges against these "progressive" parties for obstruction of evidence? Wouldn't that be a role reversal.

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It's funny because I've also seen pictures showing the floors and the roof rotted out.

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we know how to fix floors and roofs. exhibit a: the webb building.

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"exhibit a: the webb building"

For that, Rocco T was/is willing to own it, have responsibility for it, and convert to residential then a hotel.

Is anyone publicly willing to own and take over responsibility for this Bethlehem building - at least mothball, keep it safe, and be its owner indefinitely until or unless anybody else is willing to buy it?

Someone/anyone publicly stepping forward offering in a serious way to do that - even at this very late moment - could possibly save it. There's no guarantee that would succeed, since Gateway & Lackawanna would have a legitimate right to say 'no' …
but if the approach is limited only to things like activism, lawsuits, brainstorming, &/or secret supposed offers - it looks sure to fail badly.

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Also, location location location. I think it's safe to say that if this building was DT we wouldnt be having this conversation.

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Great building for a industrial heritage museum. or a steel plant museum. Hundreds of thousands of people are still alive who walked through these doors to apply for a career at Bethlehem steel. This a great building

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or something that actually pays for itself, like offices, apartments, schools, business incubator, new city hall for lackawanna, transitional housing, hotel..

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grad>"new city hall for lackawanna"

For Lackawanna residents, the Bethlehem site would be a much worse location than their current City Hall at Ridge & South Park.
That's even if they were considering a new/fancy city hall anyway - which they aren't, as far as I know.

Why should people who have to go to city hall for paying bills (or public hearings, permits, etc) have to go to/from a much worse location - not to mention also having to fund much of what a new city hall would cost - just so other people who don't live in Lackawanna are happy to read that an old building they like was saved?
Especially for any without cars (or in winter), the location would be a big worsening.
Marker A on map here http://goo.gl/maps/2UuYN is current city hall, and B is Bethlehem building.

I wonder if any of those who keep suggesting a city hall move to there have ever been to the site or recently driven past it?
If any of your grandparents lived in Lackawanna, would you want that worsening of where they'd have to go if needing to visit city hall?

As for other stuff -
with its relatively isolation surrounded by a sea of industrial wreckage - as pampinform said it well below, it also seems bad for 'transitional housing' if that means what I think it means, and very improbable for a hotel, residential, school, or business incubator.

A museum as Greg suggested, hypothetically ok - but who's volunteering to pay for building a museum there, fill it with stuff, then keep funding it year after year after year… ?
If any willing person or group exists, why are they so publicly quiet?

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oh, and by the way: everyone mike named ("members of the Lackawanna Industrial Heritage Group, Meagan Baco, David Torke, Lesley Horowitz, and Dana Saylor")? thank you. seriously.

pbn and campaign for buffalo ought to give you awards, since you spared them all the heavy lifting.

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So what happens next? The lawsuit is supposed to halt the demolition until an investigation takes place. What investigation is supposed to take place? Who is supposed to investigate? Who is going to be investigated? Even if the courts decide in favor of the plaintiff, what is going to happen to the building? Nobody has ever said they're in a position to take on the immense challenge this building would pose. How do we know this building can be redone in a financially reasonable way? How much is it going to cost? How do you convince someone who has actual money that it would be worth the investment? That building would be a tough one to try to redo. It's hard to get to, in very bad shape, full of asbestos, and surrounded by a sea of industrial wreckage.
I wonder if anyone can answer these questions with hard information and not more wishful speculation. I have never seen anyonedo it yet, which doesn't make feel all that hopeful for the building's ultimate fate.

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Stop being practical you'll get downvoted! Those are the questions that need to be asked, this building is failing, maybe not the structural members, but the report says the parapets, stairs and other elements are at or close to failure. How much is it going to cost to stablize and then rehab this building? Good intentions won't keep this building standing. PBN or someone needs to provide an offer to Gateway for an alternative, funding for a stablization report with cost estimates. Without something to this effect what politician is going to go out on a limb to support the effort and go against the owner?

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EPA investigates. Laws have been broken. Asbestos is a horrible toxin. Look at Kensington Towers. Hopefully they will do what our tax payer dollars guide them to do.

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Asbestos is not necessarily quite as dangerous as it's got a reputation for being. It is usually not a problem if it is left alone. When it gets into the air is where the problems arise. It typically takes a significant exposure to it to cause significant health problems. There are a lot of people in Buffalo who have asbestosis (a lot of them worked at the steel plant incidently) and these people usually had decades of exposure to it breathing it in around the plant. It gets deep into the lungs and gets stuck there. It is very irritating and causes fibrosis and scarring. Combine that the high rate of smoking that these workers had and you have a recipe for cancers and sever lung disease.
If it's in your building however, it can be a huge problem. A very robust sector of the legal industry has made their money suing on behalf of asbestos - affected individuals, so asbestos has a horrible reputation. It has to come out one way or another no matter what happens to this building.

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You couldn't be more wrong.

Asbestos doesn't have to be removed at all if it is in solid form (not "flaking" or "dust") and is coated with an approved stabilizer that effectively encapsulates it an renders it harmless.

I'm an Architect, and have done asbestos removal and ABATEMENT on many projects over the years. In fact, one of the Construction companies I have been the Architect of Record for was expressly expert in such asbestos removal and abatement. At the time, when I was first exposed to this sort of remedy, I was very suspect - but I have learned differently. And we used to do construction litigation inspections prior to being selected to do the removal or remediation, depending on the circumstances of each particular building - and we were very successful nearly 100 percent - in winning our lawsuits and proposed remedial work.

THIS is the current approved industry standard.

Only "ambulance chasers" demand the entirely unnecessary and cost prohibitive total removal when it is not always necessary to alleviate the problem at hand, unless the owner(s) want to go the extra step of stripping everything, even tho it is technically not necessary.

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this is consistent with how asbestos was handled in two different buildings i used to work in. removal where necessary, like around air intake ducts, encapsulation elsewhere.

not only does the asbestos need to be friable (powder-like) to be dangerous, the fibers need to be a specific size in order to lodge in your lungs. and yes, long-term exposure is the hazard, not a quick one-off removing shingles from your dad's garage.

having said that, the point relevant to beth steel is that onsite asbestos needs to remediated whether you demolish or rehabilitate, because both have the potential to release clouds of it into the air.

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How am I wrong? From the way I read it, you pretty much just agreed with everything I just wrote there. I was pointing out that asbestos isn't as bad as it's made out to be. Perhaps I could have been more when I said that the asbestos needs to come out. I didn't say it ALL needed to come out. I'm aware that in a lot of cases it can be left alone. But it's obviously of concern in that building. The fact that the team who wrote this report wore masks and Tyvek suits to inspect the place because of it says a lot. That place is going to need to have its asbestos addressed, and no matter what you do with it, that's another expense that whoever is supposed to take on redoing this building is going to have to shoulder.

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I hope they sue the Gateway and Szymanski and Lackawanna and everyone involved until the entire city of Lackawanna is so destroyed that they dont exist anymore and have to merge back into West Seneca or Buffalo.

I hope Szymanki is run out of office and out of Lackawanna

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Another quote for the Geoffrey Szymanski wall-of-shame:

"Preservationists just want to turn western New York into Colonial Williamsburg."

-- To me, after the land bank press conference on March 30, 2012

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I always enjoyed steele's, "Excuse me, I'm not sure you know me, but my name is God." I always get a chuckle out that one. Go Sabs!

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This is a one of a kind gem of a building done by Architect L. C. Holden whose work is rare. The community has been fighting to save this building for more than 20years. It is a proven fact that preservation is a key asset to urban renewal. This building could be offices, it could be a museum, it could be a community center- there are a plethora of plans for this site. The question should not be why save it but instead, why haven't we saved it yet. In a city and region that has long been considered dead- this is the perfect example of how a community can use such a historically significant structure to benefit its urban landscape architecturally and financially by boosting industries such as cultural tourism. This is iconic. It is the face of more than a hundred years of our communities development and decline and could be the face of our communities redevelopment and renewal. If we let this building be destroyed or sit in decline as the owners have let it, we are saying we do not care about our past or our rich cultural heritage, therefore we do not care about building our cultural tourism industry and other industries that will spring up as a result of beautifying our urban landscape and preserving our cultural icons. And as a result we are saying we do not care about our community now or in the future. This building is an asset and it can be more than just an asset- it can be the central focus of Lackawanna's rebirth as a city focused on economic development through reuse design, preservation and cultural tourism. When we lose our history, we lose our cultural assets, we lose our ancestors, we lose our economy, and we lose our community. Buffalo and Lackawanna have lost so much of what it could be and should be because steps were not taken to preserve and save our past. Now, Buffalo is scrambling to rebuild canal side, hurrying to save our grain elevators, slowly renovating the Richardson Complex, developing plans for the Shoelkopf Color Factory as a 35 acre railway museum, and basking in the sun of the success stories of the Darwin Martin House, Graycliff, the Botanical Gardens, the Wilcox Mansion, Statler City, the Buffalo Zoo, the Olmsted Park System, the Buffalo Museum of Science, OLV, Hotel Lafayette, the list goes on- all if which bring millions of tourists and their dollars to our region and act as relevant community-focused centers of education- most of which were once endangered of being razed and some had fallen into disrepair and seen as an "eyesore" and a liability- until the community came together and said "NO! WE WILL NOT LOSE THIS PART OF US!" That is why we must save this building- for our past, our present, and our future. I hope that is an enlightened answer and I hope I have given a good enough sentiment for saving this sad old lady. We can not lose her. We can save her and she will deliver.

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From pictures I've seen (sorry, can't post them at this site), the load-bearing walls are fine but the roof opened up allowing water to rot away the floors. So there's much work to be done, but buildings in far far worse shape have been beautifully restored. It's all a question of political will, a situation where a slow Lackawanna can't beat a fast bulldozer.

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...........far worse shape have been beautifully restored. It's all a question of "MONEY".

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I assume the structure has not been declared a Local Landmark due to lack of any effectual local governmental body? There is so much irony involved here; this magnificent structure could become a "gateway" to a revitalized Lackawanna, if only they wished to be revitalized. Also, this should be a regional issue, tied to the restoration of the Lake Erie shoreline south.

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The court date has been scheduled. Wednesday February 13th at 1pm. Follow this link for additional information about the action and the legal proceedings.

http://fixbuffalo.blogspot.com/2013/02/im-steel-standing-in-court-part-i.html

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