The Heart Bomb 2013
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Leave a commentWhat a great effort to bring love and attention to these properties! Thank you BYP!
Having seen these properties first hand they are all very solid and in good condition. There is no reason why any of these buildings need to come down.
I remember they did this last year. Are any of the places they "heartbombed" last year inhabited or repaired? Or is this just another relatively easy way to feel like you're doing something about the problem while not doing anything at all?
If you were to perhaps, read the post it would answer your question. "Out of the four houses given heart bombs last year, all are still standing. But what's more important is that two of those houses were purchased and rehabbed by loving owners."
We are actively marketing these properties to developers and people in preservation and housing as a means to saving them
which seems like more than actual real estate professionals are doing. here we have all these buildings that need aggressive matchmaking between buyers and sellers, and real estate agents are where, exactly?
since they are licensed to actually sell stuff, they could single-handedly change the conversation about preservation in buffalo by helping deliver vulnerable properties into capable hands and maybe earn a living at it, too, which is more than you can say for the folks pictured above.
but like code inspection and enforcement, unpaid, unlicensed volunteers have to take the heat when it doesn't occur.
Realtors can't do much unless the owners are both interested and in a position to sell (and not to mention willing to pay someone to do it), which in many instances isn't the case.
I'm glad to hear things are coming along at 1469 Niagara street. I drive past it every day now on my way to work, and it's always caught my eye as a nice choice for rehab.
i guess i don't get it.
"Realtors can't do much unless the owners are both interested and in a position to sell (and not to mention willing to pay someone to do it), which in many instances isn't the case."
so now unlicensed volunteers have to do realtors' jobs, too.
why don't real estate agents use their sales skills to persuade owners to sell? i mean, seriously, isn't sales their job? its time for the real estate community to step up to the plate and apply its expertise and entrepreneurial energy to the vacant building problem.
how do I learn about these properties? Show up to meetings? would love to own a house w/ original character - seems very few are on the market - and even fewer for less than $200,000
Don't know if these are full or up to date lists, but what the City govt has for sale can be seen from links in the column on left here...
http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/Home/City_Departments/RealEstate
From that, the 'residential property for sale' link shows 37 houses available,
and some others are in the 'homestead street listing' link (intermixed there among vacant lots for sale).
The 'commercial/former public use' link shows about a dozen buildings available.
None of that would include buildings still privately owned, but it could be something to start with.
Do you actually know whether the two houses purchased and rehabbed were done so because of the heart bombs?
Why all the negativity against people actively trying to improve the city? I will never understand this pro-slumlord stance that so many are in to.
I didn't read anything that was 'pro-slumlord'.
You recently posted your disappointment that plywood was being used on the old Donovan building, that hardly makes you anti-development, does it?
I read constant complaints from the same people about preservationists and their activities. The complaints are generally uninformed drivel. These same complainers never offer a complaint about a property owner who allows his property to rot to the point of demolition. I would call that pro slumlord.
I see two dissenting comments from two people, over the course of a few days. (I'm not sure any disinterested third party would label these posts 'complaints'.) In most online discourse, this would be considered a win for your side.
...I imagine I'm about to be labeled pro-slumlord, please resist, take your victory graciously.
You don't hear the constant whine calling preservationists obstructionists or the lame why don't you buy it your self blather. The same people making these kinds of complaints have no idea how much these young preservationists actually do and never have a bad word for the delinquent owners.
I don't hear the constant whine, because I don't listen for it. Picking a fight where none appears to exist would seem counter productive. When you're out numbered, gray is a preferable color to black and white. It makes counting more difficult.
The best salesman often use an 'assumptive close'. Assume victory, and it's often yours. Assume the worst, and that is undoubtedly what you'll get.
Here is the whine, only a few comments lower on this post:
http://www.buffalorising.com/2013/02/the-heart-bomb-2013.html#comment-144536
True about that whine, js, but is that type of personalized thing bf wrote really a 'constant whine' on here?
There's a big difference between what bf wrote which called out activists as individuals vs. what I think is more commonly argued on here - just that if and when a building has no evident person or group willing to proactively be its long term savior (Methodist church in North Buff, Riverside Men's, etc, etc - pretty much anything in the Wrecking Buffalo series), then reasonably its fate often will be demo.
It's the difference between saying complainers about any building's demo should shut up vs. saying their complaints should be ignored by govt in favor of letting supply/demand decide which buildings are/aren't saved.
BYP: Don't let the negative comments of these people deter you. This is great!
Where were all the preservationists when the historical landmark called The Mohawk Place closed?
What does the closing of a music venue--which, from what I understand had to do with a lawsuit from a jackass who hurt himself jumping off the stage--have to do with preservation? If the building were at risk of being torn down, you would hear from BYP.
I would have to agree with Travelrrr on this one.
So because the building wasn't in danger of being knocked down and the circumstances don't fit your criteria we can't preserve it? Regardless of what the situation is or was, preservation is about more than empty buildings that should be knocked down. It's about history, which is odd, seems like you'd know that already.
Tony: a lot of people, preservationists included, were very saddened by the shuttering of MP. However, for BYP to protest the closing of a music venue--which was indeed great--would be off mission.
However, you do touch on a point on which many preservationists don't even agree: that the effort to preserve interior spaces--which might reflect a certain era, movement, etc.--is as critical as saving building exteriors.
Yes tony, business owners are free to decide on beginning & ending their ventures for many different reasons - even a historic business like that which dated way back to… the '90s was it?
Similarly, except for landmarks or pres districts (which I'm not sure but don't think Mohawk was in), owners are also generally free to decide on beginning & ending their buildings via construction & demo.
So in that way there's a bit of similarity in the concepts as you said, although 'preserving' a business sounds even more difficult to do using activism.
Maybe instead of symbolically stating the obvious... that there are abandoned properties in the city, these young preservationists with plenty of time on their hands should instead put thier money where their collective mouth is and get a mortgage, buy the property, pay the very high insurance costs for a distessed property, rehab it with thousands upon thousands of dollars so that they've invested more than its worth and then they can realize why those properties are vacant. It's called economics where supply is far outstripping demand. Maybe getting some cash from your trust fund or a friendly investor willing to lose money will allow you to trumpet some accomplishment but it won't overcome economic reality. It'll only make a normative argument that this is the right thing to do rather. Most people don't see normative arguments as the reason to buy a home. Th
Heart boming to raise awareness is just self-serving because there was market pressure for these homes, this wouldn't be necessary.
Youth is a wonderful thing, but it is blind and naive.
Or the City could do its job...
Normally I wouldn't bother responding because I doubt I'll change your mind, but here goes. We all have FULL TIME jobs, every last one of us. We work on these projects and initiatives after work and on our weekends.
Most of us are involved in more than just our job and BYP, preservation is a 24/7 lifestyle for us. Two people in the group have formed a development company and are in the process of rehabbing half a dozen properties with historic preservation and energy efficiency in mind. Another couple is rehabbing a west side home together. I have a historic east side home under contract with the intention to rehab it and bring it back to its former glory.
We are doing the job of many people who are sleeping at the wheel, all while putting our money where our mouths are, working full time, and donating our time and talents to buildings and homeowners in need.
Maybe get off the internet and stop being an armchair critic and come out and help. I'm not afraid to stand by what I say and have my real name attached to it, but apparently you don't even have the courage to use your real name when you comment here.
Much respect goes out to you and yours. People like you and the company you are keep are the reason why Buffalo is known as the City of good neighbors. Keep up the good work, and I wish you the best of luck.
Your wildly uninformed comment makes you look foolish. Why would you assert something about people who you don't know and know nothing about?
At least a half dozen of the BYP'ers in the photos already own properties that they are rehabbing. I'm on my third one to date and some own multiple properties throughout the city. So if anything we took time out of working on our homes to give some attention to others that need help. On top of all of our professional day jobs too. You may want to research these things before making ignorant comments.
Owned!!!
And I bet you play ball like a girl!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVscCNZsYSY
Im also in the pictures / a byp member and own 8 units on the west side that im rehabbing.
I would bet that more than half the byp'ers in the photos own property in the city and most of the others are in some stage of aquiring their own.
And even if they arent, not everyone has the know how or financial ability to rehab a house. That doesn't mean they cant be a part of byp or the solution to our city's vacant housing problem.
By the way, the free market is no where near 100% efficient. Just recently a byp member tracked down an owner of a property that had ordered it demolished and negotiated a sale. That property would be gone by the end of the month otherwise. Plenty of properties fall through the cracks in this and myriad other ways.
Apparently by some people's logic you can't back a cause if you aren't directly contributing. So all those people raising awareness for Cancer, AIDS, blood drives, etc are doing it for a feel good pat on the back because they're not doctors or patients or donors. So why bother I guess?
There's probably a lot of people on here who are guilty of the same thing. You and me included big boy.
I was glad to see that old apartment building on Niagara Street to be targeted by these young preservationists. That building unfortunately suffered a fire on its top floor in one of the apartments where there was a vicious argument between boyfriend and girlfriend which resulted in the angered, apparently drugged up boyfriend torching the apartment and fleeing the scene so the locals say. This building should be rehabilitated and reoccupied very soon so to stop deterioration from sinking its damaging teeth even further. Also the perspective landlords should never rent to section 8 applicants because they are destructive and unstable.
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I noticed that the HSBC Tower was heart-bombed as well - in red lights! That's the best one!