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Leave a commentwhat limited cars on Main Street will do is put the image of Main Street back in the hearts and minds of Buffalonians and visitors.
For to long, people lost the vision of Main Street if they didnt ride the Light Rail.
Now there is common and unifying vision.
I agree that the BIG problem was not that we got Light Rail but that we stopped to soon. If the Light Rail went to the Airport and Amherst Campus then there would be no criticism at all. It would be see as a virtue of our city having it.
I have always proposed the plan, 30 years without 1 extension is not satisfactory....if we can even plan something small like 1 additional station every 10 years...atleast today we would have 3 stations and be in the Larkin District or Central Terminal.
Without a metro rail expansion this is going to be difficult.
Extend it to the Airport, to Amherst, To Hamburg, and to North Tonawanda. Then downgrade the major routes, the Kensington, 190, Skyway, and Skejaquada. People won't want to spend the extra time in traffic due to the lower capacity of these roads, and use the metro rail to get into the city instead. With the reduced car traffic and increased foot traffic Buffalo will then be ripe to be pedestrian focused. Of course we're looking at hundred of millions of dollars to do this.
Right now there are only a few sections of the city. Allen Street, Chipewwa, but that's about it where you can easily redirect vehicular traffic.
Realistically we can't undo any time soon the light rail we have, but for every million dollars proposed for operating light rail expansion I'd argue the very same million could be spent more effectively & equitably on improving (or at least slowing reductions to) the public bus system here.
It seems a moot debate anyhow because the federal govt insists on major commitments of local funding for any new light rail lines it helps fund. In the spirit of having 'no illusions', I can't envision the Erie County's govt (Poloncarz or current county leg), or NYS, being willing to fund the NFTA for that. To the contrary, the NFTA says its outside funding rates have been causing it to reduce bus service across the city & both counties.
The 198 is too curvy with too many entrances/exits without merge lanes to be good at the speed limits it has now. So I agree with small downgrading of that one as planned by DOT.
The 33 seems very good as is. The 190 is mostly good, if anything maybe could use some safety upgrades in spots. The Skyway's fate will depend on what's proposed to replace it and at what price tag.
Unclear to me what's meant by redirecting traffic on Allen or Chip, or what makes those the only few sections of the city for anything.
I was really just responding for a way to be more like Copenhagen. I agree that rail is expensive, but much of it can be cheaper than you think. Most of it can be above ground using existing right aways. According to the Citizen regional transit corporation a line extension to N. tonawanda, the air port and the southtowns would cost us $200million for each line. With the money we are putting into the Ralph we could build one of these lines.
As much as buses are great the current dinky metro rail has the same ridership as the entire bus system. That should tell you about support of light rail over buses. Much of it is a stigma against buses. Much of it is also lack of service. So maybe you are right.
As for downgrading the highways to restore parkways and waterfront access I was just using that as an example to how we could promote rail ridership. The cost of any one of those projects would be expensive and might have unintended consequences without proper planning.
All in all the would be $800 million towards rail and probably $300 million towards building parkways. Thats over a billion dollars that Buffalo doesnt have.
You should not have taken my post so seriously, it was just an exercise on how to make Buffalo truely pedestrian friendly.
Opps, well you had listed many things so it looked meant to be taken seriously, but sorry if I overdid it, lol
Anyhow - not to get even more too serious - but I was referring more to operating costs (considering NFTA issues past bunch of years causing service cutbacks) than building costs, and for building I'd wonder about if whoever the CRTC folks hired to do cost estimates (if anyone) took all the expenses into account for regulations etc, and when that was estimated.
That Bills stadium spending you mentioned from state+county is an unfortunate spending decision, so maybe we agree about that one at least.
(I'd think that should be funded by extra new fees on tickets, parking, in-stadium transactions, etc. - but our leaders are very insistent on using general tax $ for it instead, so all that $ won't be available for anything else.)
I have to disagree with you on two points. The first being that money spent on buses would be more valuable. Buses add no infrastructure value and no visual appeal, nor would I expect anyone other than those requiring it for daily transportation to use it. Rail, on the other hand, is still a more impressive and organized mode of transportation, and is more likely to be taken by visitors, commuters, and people headed to events.
The second point is regarding the 33, which I regard as one of the worst decisions ever made by the city. Not just transportation decision, but also economic and social. In one day, we stripped 70,000 cars from our main commercial hubs, removing most of the people from an entire side of our city. Neighborhoods lost all property value for miles, and the "convenience" allowed people to live farther away. Remove that mistake, increase property values closer to the core, and suddenly there is less need for a bypass and more built in need for businesses and public transit.
mark>"nor would I expect anyone other than those requiring it for daily transportation to use it"
We can agree to disagree, and you can expect anything you want, but...
For one thing, that expectation differs from reality. Even I've NFTA used buses for non-daily purposes, and no doubt many others also do per year.
People's cars break down sometimes, or people without a car need to do non-daily shopping trips by bus, or to visit friends/relatives, etc. - big range of many possible reasons.
Not all public transit users go to/from only points along where the light rail line is located (or is even among line ideas proposed).
Many neighborhoods in different parts of the city aren't - and wouldn't be - on a rail line, but yet can be and are served by bus routes.
About the 33, we just have very different points of view.
Whether something similar could've/should've been located somewhere different 60 years ago, I've no idea - maybe so, (maybe could've been different location instead of over Humboldt) - but that angst seems like spilled milk.
It's here now, and I think it's a very useful asset to the region & city - even for city residents driving between points in the city, or city residents going to/from airport or other points east.
Since BR seems to have stopped covering development news for the past month or two (really the only reason I came to BR in the first place), I want to report a couple of recent happenings:
- There are some pieces of heavy machinery parked on the Catholic Health building site and silt fences are going up around the perimeter, so construction appears to be starting.
- Asbestos abatement began 2/4 at the Tishman Building in preparation for its renovation.
I actually just got hit by a car while crossing at a crosswalk at Delaware and West Ferry. What is the most effective way to lobby for better pedestrian friendly crosswalks? Should I write the mayor's office, the DOT or the local community group?
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"....poor planning decisions can do to a downtown (ala Metro Rail)..." I don't think the Metro Rail was the problem--it was the lack of follow-through and commitment; there should be more lines than one, so there is greater geographic coverage. That would create more usage, and acceptance, of the metro.
agreed. metro rail was one of the smartest thing we ever did.
as i point out repeatedly, if metro rail killed main street retail, then what killed main street retail at the same time in rochester, syracuse, and utica, which have always had automobile traffic?
this is why cars on main street will not revive retail. the only thing that will do that is a critical mass of customers living downtown, and we're well on our way to that goal. residents are what sustains retail in every other part of town; those who drive in from a distance are icing on the cake.