Real Estate February 26, 2013 2:15 PM

Cobblestone District Growing- Club Planned for Illinois Street

Cobblestone District Growing- Club Planned for Illinois Street

A vacant commercial building on Illinois Street behind First Niagara Center will be renovated as a music club.  The two-story property at 49 Illinois Street will feature live music at least five nights a week and host local and national acts. The club is planned to also be open on First Niagara Center and Canal Side event dates. The club will also feature a limited food menu.

Local developer Roger Trettel purchased the brick structure, located between the arena and the mixed-use Cobblestone Lofts project on Mississippi Street, in April 2008. 

Trettel recognized the potential of the neighborhood and originally purchased the property to renovate for his company's offices.  However, as the neighborhood has begun to develop into a waterfront leisure and entertainment district, the concept of a music-oriented venue seemed to make more sense.

"When Sam, Ed and Dan came to me with the idea, we agreed this was the perfect use for this historic building," says Trettel.  "It is an awesome building in a fantastic location right across from the arena and a block from the waterfront and Canalside. It fills an entertainment void down here and will contribute to the energy developing all around it.  This will be a net positive to the area."

The club and building will be owned by a partnership that includes Trettel, developer Sam Savarino and Savarino's partners in Lagerhaus 95, Ed Plata and Dan Mania. Food and beverage management at the new club will be handled by the management staff at Lagerhaus 95.

 

49IllinoisPlans.JPGAccording to Savarino, minimal changes are planned to the exterior of the building owing to its location within  the Cobblestone Preservation District.  A new front entrance is planned and a side entrance and canopy will be added. The new entrance will be removed when weather permits allowing the club to be open to Illinois Street.

Inside, a portion of the building's second floor will be removed to allow patrons to view the stage.  The interior will be flexible allowing for smaller events up to concerts holding up to 800.

The venue will add to the entertainment options in the Cobblestone District that includes Lagerhaus 95, Cobblestone Bar, Elements Bar and Grill and Helium Comedy Club.  It is within walking distance light rail and several significant development projects including the inner harbor, One Canalside, HARBORcenter, and the Seneca Buffalo Creek Casino.  A streetscape project along Perry Street is in the planning stages that will help tie the projects together.

A name hasn't been chosen for the club and project partners are open to reader suggestions. 

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very nice. Hopefully they can make it feel like an old historic venue

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Hopefully this spurs even more development along this street. Could be a great entertainment district (but NOT like Chippewa)

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Chipewwa's great if you're into the sweaty dance club scene.

But I agree, hopefully Cobblestone will be a little more mature, a little more upscale, and a little more elegant of a scene.

Diversity is king, Buffalo needs both a Chippewa and something more upscale.

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that street has the potential of being a really awesome strip. I love every building on that block. Hopefully this place will be classy not some teeny-bopper dance club

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It would be great if something gets done with the remaining buildings on this block up to South Park. Hopefully Higgins and Termini can do something with 2nd floor of NFTA terminal building that will help speed redevelopment of them. I believe these are the same buildings that Cobblestone Bar owner wants for surface parking.

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I think that would cause the development of the cobble stone district to go critical mass. It would be a great connecting point between Canal Side and Cobble Stone, especially if it is developed as a market, like Termini and Higgins want.

Cobble Stone could become Buffalo's great shopping district (sorry Main Street). Infill would be great, especially with apartments on the upper floors. I'm thinking of something like Temple Bar in Dublin(touristy but charming at the same time). It would also be nice to see some arcades built to connect the streets, as these are pretty long streets, and this could be a multi-street district.

This would be great for the first ward as well, and should spur development there as well.

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There's no way this place will ever top Nite Club on East Hertel as a live music destination. No way.

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"There's no way this place will ever top Nite Club on East Hertel as a live music destination. No way."


Your comment on Hertel Lounge:

"Live music "nite club" in the old Mulligan's? Bad idea. What do you think the over/under is on months in business?"

http://www.buffalorising.com/2012/12/hertel-lounge.html


Schizophrenic much?

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The building next door is great.

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I think that is an old blacksmith ? But I've been wrong before

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Blacksmith is on the corner, no?

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Correct.

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I would love to see a House of Blues type place.

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House of Blues? That would be the arena next door.

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I'm not sure what you mean? House of Blues hold around 2,400 people, the arena holds 18k. (I'm not suggesting this place to be a HOB, just that style of venue to draw the mid-sized national acts within the city.)

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he's referring to the Sabres and how the season is going.

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Oh..duh I get it :)

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So glad to see such positive momentum on this block. Makes me hope there will be positive energy to bring about revitalization of the blacksmith building as well as opposed to demo as had been proposed. This street has too many good bones and I am DAMN HAPPY that I volunteered a couple shifts back in the 90's to help lift those cobblestones, clean them up and ship them off for processing so that they could be re-laid there. Nice to have put some sweat into a street like that down there.

I do hope that Chippewa, Canalside, Hertel, Allentown-Elmwood, Cobblestone Districts can all hold their own and the market doesnt force cannabalize one another. With all this momentum it would REALLY be great to see some population and income growth in the region and city so these concerns would go away. The area has a good thing going, just need that light to go on and bring in some outside growth and demand, catch a tiny percentage of worldwide population growth.

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Cannibalization is a legit concern. One of my favorite restaurants (sole) went under recently, I'm assuming because everyone started going to cantina loco for their Mexican fix. Anyways. Looks like an awesome venue on a somewhat charming street.

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I don't see cannibalization as a concern at all, since greater competition is such a good thing in many ways - as long as all private sector $ is involved, which I think was likely the case for restaurants Tim mentioned and hopefully will also be so for Mr. Trettel's new venture (since he's mentioned in the past on BR that he doesn't like public subsidies for his businesses).

Significant population growth as flyguy wants would be good too of course, but I don't predict it for the foreseeable future, and the city/region have been able to carry on okay even with the opposite.

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Yeah, step your game up or die. We could use more of that.

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Canabalization usually only happens when new great places eat up mediocore ones, such as the example you cited. Not too often do we see a great well run restaurant or club go out of business. If this place is done right, run right and well funded then they will be just fine.

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cannibalization and capturing some population growth, hmm...my take on this is, places like this have the unique opportunity to be a regional magnet for musicians and the culture they bring with them. i loved sole myself, and was disappointed to hear it closed, but the reality is cantina loco did something a little cooler in a competitive market and took the crowd, maybe so...the city has tons of really awesome musicians and the more quality stages they have to perform on, the more they will be seen and it can establish Buffalo as a cradle for quality musicians, they can be seen on any given night throughout the city, or better said, Buffalo can be a great live music town...think of the great live music towns around, seattle, austin, minneapolis, nashville, new orleans etc, stuff like this give those towns a certain 'cool' factor, and make them attract people like artists, musicians, overachievers, grinders who are looking for springboards to greater things, maybe national tours, you never know who's passing by and happend to see you play. its all about earning the reputation...our local musicians today are a cultural asset, why not show them off to the world on as many quality stages we can provide them.

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What's cooler than table side guac to taste, or unlimited house made chips and salsa for $3? Sigh.

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i dunno, splitting a turkey sub with jon bon jovi?

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Unfortnately I think that Sole was a better fit in Williamsville. We used to go there for food, drinks and to see Djambossa play pretty frequently and it was always a packed house when it was in the Walker Plaza. My guess is that the Elmwood clientele didn't get it, the people from the Suburbs wouldn't go to the city, the parking wasn't great and with the new "mexican" joint that opened up that was more trendy to college age people that it just couldn't sustain.

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Well its about having a strong community (with money) surrounding these districts. As long as that remains constant then there should not be any concern. And as more people move downtown, to cobble stone, and to the first ward, the cobble stone district should be self sufficient without the crowds from Canal Side and the Arena.

Population loss is not even throughout the city remember, there are some parts of the city that continue to grow in popularity. Buffalo has 1.2 million to attract into the city, many of suburbanites, especially the boomer generation in particular seem to avoid the city like the plague.

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Always glad to see good stuff happening in the Cobblestone District. When I was commuting from Rochester to work on a financial project there between '04 and '06 there were few lunch options besides the Swannie House. I love the Swannie House, and while I was working there got their food almost daily, but it would have been nice to have other options for an occasional changeup.

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Jeez.....with Town Ballroom, Nietzsche's, Mohawk Place, and the Tralf....now this place.......Buffalo could start to rival Toronto with attracting new talent.....this looks great

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There certainly is no shortage of local bands. Also Mohawk closed down. We also do not know the angle this new venue will take, so it might not be a good replacement.

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Yes ,the local talent in Buffalo is impressive....in regards to music that is

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What is the latest on the Blacksmith building on that corner? Will it be renovated soon or allowed to rot?

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I saw a rendering of this project during a meeting 2/21 in the OFW Center in which Sam Savarino was present. Before I provide an update on the other properties in question on South Park Ave. here is a little background info.

Concerning the properties on South Park Ave and Illinois St., the first building at the corner, number 110 South Park Ave., sits on nearly a quarter acre lot. The property extends 220 feet down Illinois and 50 feet across South Park Ave. covering almost the entire width of the blacksmith shop on the backside. It is owned by Darryl Carr with a Bowmansville NY PO Box mailing address. In 2009 Carr purchased the building from James Downing for $500,000. Downing purchased the building from long time owner Phoenix Die Casting in 1998.

Carr also owns the building at the other corner, number 130 South Park Ave. at the corner of Mississippi St. In 2003 Carr purchased that building from William Crawford for $350,000.

The blacksmith shop at 118 South Park Ave. (the middle building next to the alley) sits on a lot that is 66'x 100'. This building was also owned outright by Carr. Carr purchased the building from long time owner Ed Rudnicki back in 2001 for $150,000. However, Carr sold it in 2010 to EQUITY TRUST CO/PARK AVENUE ESTATES LLC. Now the interesting thing with this sale is that it was sold to the LLC as a clean sale and get this, for $1. NOT a quit claim BTW. My own speculation here says that Carr removed the building from his name, maybe because he was being pressured by the courts, city, preservationists, or potential buyers. What the sale accomplishes is to shield him from direct liability and leaves a paper trail to trace ownership to him. In other words it sounds like the LLC is an ownership front with no other purpose. Carr is not selling this building for a net loss of $149,999 after nine years of ownership.

Which brings us back to Savarino. At the 2/21 meeting Savarino mentioned something about this block during his presentation. It was here that the rendering was shown for the building at 49 Illinois St. He also had a rendering for the South Park Ave properties that was I believe a conceptual view of possibilities. Savarino was immediately questioned about this and he quietly withdrew any factual comment with a large grin. However under more scrutiny he casually, but not directly admitted that things are being "seriously looked into" and that there are ownership issues to deal with. My impression of this was that Savarino, and or another group, are in negotiations or pursuing other means to wrestle these properties from Carr (who was not named at the time). He did confirm that these indeed are on the board for badly needed development and appears very interested. IMO, with a high probability by his company. So stay tuned for hopefully some good news.

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Thanks for the info. I knew savarino would be eyeing carr's property, or properties. From my viewpoint it seems like this Carr character is a big obstacle for the area, if he is in fact is sitting on the last 3 undeveloped buildings on the block. It ticks me off. Get em, Sam.

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OFW: I recall Savarino appearing in court to give testimony in order to prevent Carr from demolishing the buildings at Illinois and South Park. He used the drawing you speak of to illustrate what the corner could look line if redeveloped. He stated that he and other partners (I think Roger Trettel was seated next to Savarino in court) were ready willing and able to purchase the buildings for market price when asked by the judge. Savarino was also quick to say that he wanted to respect Carr's rights as an property owner but that he did not want the buildings demolished and wanted to prevent Carr from aiding their deterioration and demise.
The city probably needs to vigorously enforce their codes on Carr's neglected buildings so he can't get away by allowing them to deteriorate further. Carr has Ben pretty open about wanting those buildings wiped out. Is that happening now?

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Im one of those people that doesnt see the future of the Chippewa Street as an entertainment district nor do I see the the future of the Buffalo Convention Center at its present location.

The business district is growing, downtown residential is growing and the government district is growing.

Downtown and Chippewa need to evolve into a mature entertainment, dinner theater type district, canalside perhaps a historic, recreational, event oriented district.

If Buffalo were smart, they would encourage the movement of a clubbing district to the Seneca Casino and create a 24 hour district.

If Buffalo were smart, it would start planning for a new Convention Center somewhere else. There are only 2 places it can (should) really go. It can only go somewhere on light rail route to the Larking District/Central Terminal or somewhere on light rail route to Canalside/First Ward District (better to make it canal themed perhaps at the Ohio Basin and Canal).

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Maybe, districts do develop over time. However there is need for a high energy, young, dance club district somewhere.

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absolutely agree there needs to be a clubbing district and a 24 hour district. Seneca Creek Casino is the perfect area.

the current downtown, convention, government, business, theater district....the current Allentown and West Village...are all growing and changing

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1. Dan Smalls Presents partners with Babeville (easily the best space for music in the city). Town Ballroom finally has competition for medium capacity live music in Buffalo.

2. Showplace Theater gets new ownership and is undergoing a renovation with a return as a music venue in mind.

3. A BRAND NEW music club opening in one the most exciting developing entertainment district in the city, an area that just got a wonderful new Comedy Club late last year.

losing Mohawk hurt, but live entertainment in Buffalo is proving to be resilient.

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Would be cool to see a vintage [ala North park Theater] marquee on this building showcasing the events.

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I wish one of the BRO commenters would have eluded to this a couple weeks ago. Hummmm I wonder who that might have been?

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Allude? Modesty is a great color on you! Now, can you tell me whose dog keeps pooping on my lawn?

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You're really in love with me aren't you? PS it's not a dog, it's your drunken neighbor.

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Cool! Lets just hope its not a club like the Town Ballroom, if you know what I mean.

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Ballroom isn't really a club though.

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I'm curious to know what exactly do you mean by "not a club like the Town Ballroom?"

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I hope they open up the rooftop as a terrace or outdoor lounge area. Perhaps a green roof, none of which should interfere with the tax credits

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Sounds like a great idea. It seems as though most shows that come to town do very well so having more medium sized venues to appeal to regional and national touring acts would be great.

As far as Chippewa goes, I believe that area is already maturing. Sure, there are still dance clubs (like LUX) but there are now less bars/clubs open since any time in recent memory. La Luna has been replaced by a Mighty Taco and Third Room has been absorbed by Bacchus. Omega Lounge is closed. The "problem bars" Social, Big Bad Wolf, and Barcelona are all closed. Having less bars around changes the area but there are now also more restaurants. Soho is now a gourmet burger joint and the infamous Bayou Nightclub is becoming a restaurant called The Lodge. Little by little the area is evolving into a diverse patchwork of restaurants, bars, hotels, and offices.

What's happening by Canalside and Cobblestone is great. Better late than never. Let's keep pushing forward with modern housing and restaurants/nightlife. If we could just convince a major employer like CitiGroup or Geico to move their offices down there we'd be in business!

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shame is citicorp just moved to their offices a few years back as did Geico. If Downtown keeps moving in the right direction businesses will start make their way back.

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