What might Allen Street look like some day?
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Leave a commentwould love to see allen as a pedestrian boulevard! a walking city is a more productive city
Sure since that worked out so well for Main Street.
A driving city worked out so well for pearl, Ellicott, Washington, oh everywhere else that had catsmuch worse shape than main.
Cars have been around since the early 1900's when Buffalo was flourishing, so cars really have nothing to do with your comment about streets.
You can't compare removing traffic on Main to removing it from Allen. No one lived on or near Main. Allen is surrounded by very dense residential space.
Why doesn't Allen St. look nicer today? The sidewalk and curb areas, for the most part, are filthy. Snow hasn't been on the ground for weeks, yet the street is a mess. Also, trees are stunted, bent and/or missing.
The "nice" photos are something to strive for but that shouldn't stop the residents/businesses from keeping the area clean and inviting right now.
Careful, I said something similar yesterday and was told I was sticking my nose where it doesn't belong.
Yes, you did and I cheered you on.
From first hand experiance many residents and business owners do try and keep up Allen, or at least they did when I lived there. It gets disheartening to do so when the riff raff and thugs that cross though Allen drop garbage on a daily basis. Add all the section 8 residents that live in the area and do the same thing, toss in the 4am bar drunks that are really destructive of anything nice along the street which includes but not limited to snapping trees and pulling plants out of planters along with the late night food garbage they toss and , well, there you have it. I used to despise turning onto Allen from North Pearl. It was like being sucked into a black hole of utter ghettoness. Whats laughable is it never seems to change. What a pity.
That what happens though when you have a popular nightlife district. Hopefully with a new street scape they can implement things to reduce drunken shenanigans...such as provide public toilets.
You can also reduce the opening hour of bars...but we also need to keep in mind that its those late night bars that also makes Allentown an attractive place to live for many people.
You're right. But, it's like my upstairs neighbor says when I complain about the chaos from festivals and the like, "that's why you live here, to be near it all". And I agree, most people do keep up their property. But why shouldn't neighbors have the right to complain, right?
Come down by Allen St and College St on a Friday and Saturday night and you will see why Allen looks so bad. The young crowd that floods the area on "party nights" are here for fun whether that is plain old fun or mischievous fun. they don't care where they throw things as long as they get rid of it. If they want something they take it. If they feel like breaking something they break it. The poor trees have been damaged and killed by this regard for fun. You can't plant anything with low branches and that sized tree are probably cost prohibitive for the area.
How often do you see a police presence? My observation is when police are there it is usually super late, like after 2am. Plenty happening before then that could use some police.
Reconnect Allen with Days Inn Park.
Allen is really such a short and small street when you think about it. Its very cosy and quaint.
However, I think that Elmwood and Allen suffer from their desirability. As soon as improvements are made to Allen or Elmwood...development will once again spike with developers that want to demolish...they want what they want...not whats best for the community.
Better to put more effort into Main, Delaware, Grant, Niagara, Amhesrt, Kenmore, Hertel, South Park and other under used streets where we want to attract future growth and where there is room for such growth with less danger of harmful consequences.
thats just my 2 cents. we have some big losses downtown, westvillage, westside, blackrock, north buffalo...dont risk more by focusing desirability too much in any one area.
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Isn't that in part why the Elmwood Village Association and Allentown Association exist?
The answer is "no" they dont exist to encourage and benefit and divert development to other streets.
The Elmwood and Allentown Associations exist to pursue the goals of its leadership and there are large landholders on Elmwood and Allen.
If Buffalo is going to create some really really intimate and novel street scapes...then its going to reach a place where it develops partnerships with other streets.
I just dont see this happening and it needs to happen for 2 big reasons.
1) the peripheral streets (Main, Niagara, Grant) need to gentrify and become safer and more stable which will enhance Elmwood, Delaware, Linwood, Allen, Chippewa.
2) We have seen developers come in with aweful infill designs that dont fit the character of the community. They arent refused because of either the clout of the developer or the desperation for growth.
We start with something smart and we end up with something regrettable.
As far as the thugs, there is a harshness all over the country and not just in Buffalo. Beggar they neighbor. Rough. Its endemic. There is little discussion of how we can make Buffalo remain with its Blue Collar strength of character but find and nourish its Blue Collar friendliness and compassion.
I dont think we can do that if we are a city with 2-3 good pockets...we need to spread the growth around more...keep these streets with a mix of retail and residential.
> Days Inn Park
I rated that park 3 stars. The free breakfast left a lot to b desired.
Wow looks like a real city neighborhood..... just need more people jobs and $.....aspire to be cleveland
From what I'm seeing, the thugs are chasing the white suburban kids away from Chippewa (trading one undesirable group for another) and those kids have "discovered" Allen Street, which in turn, is making Allen less attractive to the 35 and up crowd.
Case in point, my wife and I recently met with another couple for a late dinner at the Allen Street Hardware Cafe.
When we arrived at 9PM there was a good vibe in the place, good jazz in the background at a volume that allowed for conversation, the clientele present was pretty much in their 40's.
At 10PM, a "DJ" (apparently anyone with an iPod and a pair of studio headphones is a "DJ" these days...) arrived, and we were immediately assaulted by the grinding noise called "dubstep".
I inquired as to the sudden change in music and volume, and the "DJ" informed me that "It's 10 o'clock yo. It's dubstep time... can't handle it?"
Actually no. I can't.
My request for lower volume was ignored, so the four of us left, instead of ordering another bottle of wine. We were closely followed out the door by the remaining 40-somethings, who agreed that there was no need for it to be that loud unless the "DJ's" intention was to chase us old folks out. If that was indeed his intent, then well done! You were successful in getting us out of there... for good.
Mark Goldman, in the event that you actually read this, that's why we left, haven't been back, and most likely will not be,.
That sounds about right. Allen is in part the premier destination for people under 25. It might be a shame, but Allentown Hardware is always pack whenever I'm there after 10. The owner definitely knows how to cater to this (my) demographic.
All the nightlife districts are now dominated by that demographic. The only place really left are the more ritzy bars downtown, or the ones that close early. Maybe, the cobblestone district can be the place for the slightly older crowd? Helium is a good start at least. Hopefully the rest of the neighborhood will develop nicely, into something more sophisticated? There is potential along main street too downtown I feel in the theatre district.
Its young people who are moving into the city. Its young people from the suburbs who want to live in an urban environment. Much of the growth pushing westward into the westside are these kids. Overall its very good for the city.
Definately a shortage of nicer places for the over 25 crowd to enjoy a beverage. I think the most successful "entertainment" districts are "co-minglers"..in that you have all sorts of establishments for all ages that have low tolerance for over consumption. Prob. why I find myself on Hertel the most..laid back..minimal college kids..no "bro" citings. etc.
Kind of laughable that you think these people are the city saviors...don't know too many 20 year olds concerned about saving the city..LOL..I know a many that wanna drink till they cannot stand and score. 25+ doesn't have their own district to go to at all..definately a missed opportunity. A handful of establishments in the City and then its largely off to Main Street/Amherst and Williamsville. I don't have to worry about stepping in puke there.
On the note of the Allentown redo...can't wait!! Kudos to administration for getting all of their ducks in a row and repairing whats underneath before repaving the road. I almost had a heart attack when they repaved Elmwood AND ONE WEEK LATER NATIONAL FUEL DUG IT UP AGAIN!!! Images above look fantastic, its tight already as far as parking, might as well go all the way and make it a really friendly environment!!!
Just look at how they managed to wreck the Italian Festival on Hertel. I have been attending the festival every year since it was on Connecticut St. It is as worse now as it has ever been.
Even Lombardo's has cut back on its offerings. They had the best stuffed hot peppers and eliminated them from the festival menu two years ago. This past summer the spinach bread disappeared.
I can't believe I've somehow been tricked into defending a kid playing dubstep but GAHHHHHHDDDDDDDDDDD you guys sounds like curmudgeons. It's loud and there's vomit and young kids and traffic I'M NEVER GOING THERE AGAIN YOUR BUSINESS IS RUINED! Everyone take a breath breath, we can all get along. Even the weird kid drinking well Vodka playing robot sex noises. Turning this into a thread about your personal complaints and fears about venues and lifestyles not catering to your tastes is frankly counterproductive. Errybody take a breathe.
I think the idea of putting some money into these streets and sidewalks sounds lovely.
Fu64 makes a good point - those are quite a collection of taste-based grievances.
Starting with TheRepat's instant classic - "thugs are chasing the white suburban kids away from Chippewa (trading one undesirable group for another)" - wow.
Neighbors complaining about vandalism or about something like not cleaning up trash and puke the next day are understandable of course, and deserve responses.
But about things like any business's choice in music or what customer demographics it attracts .... there's so many to choose from - why make it sound like it's a personal offense if any of them, or even any group of them on a block, aren't exactly what everyone prefers? Obviously some people like it when a lot of customers are being attracted.
If the street is often really a mess many mornings from nights before, maybe Goldman and other bar owners should form a little business group to pay for regular trash cleanup crews.
Crime cameras might help deter vandalism (and car break-ins, etc)... maybe the businesses could fund some of those to supplement what the city does.
The street really does need paving, so hopefully the city is prioritizing the other work they want to do at the same time. So many other streets are long overdue for paving too... Delaware from Gates Circle all the way through downtown, South Park between downtown and the Valley, some of Forest still, much of Kenmore Ave, a lot of Elmwood, ...
FU64> I can't believe I've somehow been tricked into defending a kid playing dubstep but GAHHHHHHDDDDDDDDDDD you guys sounds like curmudgeons.
It's Buffalo, damnit! Gotta' keep it authentic. If it's not on the 97 Rock playlist, I don't want to hear it. Now bring on the Led Zeppelin tribute band!
Seriously, the real old timers -- the folks who weep when they hear the 998 jingle -- talk about how Buffalo had a thriving music and club scene back in the 1940s. When asked to describe it, the answer will be something like "Well, you could hear big bands at the Town Casino, and you could hear big bands at the Dellwood, and you could hear big bands at the Statler Ballroom, and you could hear big bands at ...". You get the idea. It wasn't that diverse.
At least now, there's far more choice. However, many bars, not just in Buffalo, harsh their mellow around 9:00 or 10:00. The music changse, the atmosphere changes, the clientèle changes, all in a matter of minutes. Imagine a quiet bar that, at 8:55, is filled with bearded recumbent bike-riding types philosophizing over their hoppy craft-brewed IPAs. At 9:05, a different scene, with twentysomethings packed in like sardines, listening to DJ Wolfgang spinning 150 BPM üntzüntzmüzik at 135db.
True, Dan, but practically how can that transition be anything other than "all in a matter of minutes"? When it changes, it changes.
Maybe something they could do is be sure servers tell customers who arrive after 8 (before ordering meals) that loud music will be start at 10. Still, we'll never know if that would've avoided Repat's choice of likely not returning to the place.
It can be looked at like Repat did as the loudness "chasing" some customers out, or the opposite - as attracting other customers to come in.
I know where you're coming from but you sound like an old fart..... kids on Allen aren't getting younger, you are getting older.....I've been going to Allentown for the last 25 years....and back then I wouldn't be out before 10:00 catching dinner listening to Jazz....that's what old lame people do....I would be getting drunk until last call which I'm thinking you did too at one point.....good tip for you and the wife....try the Shadow Lounge on Hertel....it sounds like exactly what you're looking for...smooth jazz, sophisticated conversations everywhere...smartly dressed adults...nice place to impress the misses
You people are the same people who vilified that guy on Bidwell Parkway who wanted to enjoy peace and unlittered quiet in front of his own home. You called him a hypocrite for not complaining about a jazz concert on the parkway, but complaining about some crappy whatever concert some jackass planned. You went so far as to post personal information about that guy. Now, you are doing the exact same thing but it's not crappy music brought to your doorstep, it's crappy music that you encountered after you went to a public restaurant. You people are laughably pathetic.
that guy is still alive? too bad.
the curbless transitions from street to sidewalk make me a little nervous. i've read up on how well they work in europe and and impressed that they're even being considered. so i'm not about to reject them out of hand.
i am picturing very real dangers as drivers attempt to assert their ownership of the road. why is it that the drivers of the biggest cars are attracted to the smallest spaces? whenever i'm in the neighborhood it seems like allen street is wall to wall suvs.
given the culture of aggressive driving in america, how has street-sharing been working out in eugene?
What about snow plowing? When the plow driver turns the corner and a foot of snow covers the entire area his path becomes a judgement call. Any shallow plantings become road kill. Hopefully the road base is installed correctly and the bricks don't heave allowing a plow blade to tear up the street.
Curb less streets in Buffalo...aka...look at me park on the lawn or drive on the sidewalk and see pedestrians jump out f the way. Isn't that funny (sarcasm)
I can see room for a few nice big projects on Elm wood but in exchange...it would be nice to see some of the houses restored, storefronts removed then maybe a couple more lenox, Lexington type apts
But this isn't going to happen...if you just let developers run wild.
I like the idea, but I I say keep Allentown historic by simply replacing the street with brick or cobblestone and redoing some of the bad sidewalks. This idea just seems a little too contemporary for Allentown and it will loose a lot of the gritty charm we all love it for.
As for the the idea of curb less streets, I have seen quite a few on trips to London. The difference is they always install bollards to keep traffic from interfering with walkways.Go to the street view of Lambs Conduit Street, this is good example of a street Allen could become. I also would love to see the Wadsworth Allen area more park like and hopefully the Metro Station is incorporated into the UB Medical school, why not put an alternate entrance on the Allen side also.
yikes. i'd rather have the curbs than the bollards. bollards scream fortress federal building.
Curb-less streets exist all over without bollards. London is a bad example - they have probably the most rigid design of streetscapes in the world. They literally have fences separating traditional sidewalks and the street to make sure that people only cross at one particular point. Take a look at some German and Swiss cities for better examples.
There are two beautiful brick buildings at the west end of Allen at the corner of College St. The corner building has an antique shop on the ground floor and boarded up windows on two floors above topped by heavy stone lintels, and a nice cornice wrapping around the building onto College. The name on the building is "Hosmer" The building number is 232.
The building next door has its storefront boarded up and three floors of apartments above with stacked window bays that appear to be clad in copper. The arched doorway is just fantastic. It looks like the cornice is missing. The name on the building is "Puritan" and building number is 228.
Both buildings have vacancies that are total opposites, but the pair are just fantastic structures. Unfortunately, it is just so sad that they are both getting partial uses out of them. These are the type of buildings that should be thriving in this district. Are things that bad down there that they have to be partially boarded up? They do not appear to be rundown or neglected by outward appearances.
Word is on the Antique Man's building that the owner of the storefront owns the building and is personally doing ongoing work to the rest of the building. The Puritan I've been trying to find out about for a while - though I was chastised for sticking my nose where it doesn't belong. You're right, they're both great buildings. And you're right, they should be thriving. As far as rundown or neglected, I can only imagine the condition of the Puritan considering most of the windows are missing; who knows what the roof looks like.
I'm interested in finding out the story on the Puritan as well. It seems to get more covered in graffiti and have more broken windows each day. Something really needs to be done.
all the improvements in the world won't help if the business owners don't take it upon themselves to do the following.
1) rent (or hire) someone with a power washer and wash away the the grime and dirt from exteriors of the building they occupy...along with the sidewalks...it's disgusting when I walk or drive thru the area...a simple few hundred dollar investment every few years makes a huge difference on the appeal of your establishment
2) STOP catering to and putting up with the vagrants that roam the streets in the summer..I went for dinner and ate on the patio (place unnamed) a few times this last summer and each time, my guests and I were harassed (numerous times) while trying to have an enjoyable meal outdoors by people that shouldn't even be in the area and can't afford to be in the area. Where is the BPD to get these people out of our faces??
You sound like such an f*** elitist
I'm so sorry, you are right...no matter how nice or expensive the restaurant is ...or the area of the city that it's in...vagrants and the homeless have the right to harass and beg for money (and become violent when we all say NO)and then be in my face and my guests at any time they would like to...that's America I guess! Gee...What was I thinking!
I'd much rather put up with "vagrants" than snotty trash like you.
That's because you are a vagrant.
I agree with washing and cleaning the brick exteriors. I love the patina of cleaned old brick. That one improvement alone would beautify those buildings and many others down there instantly, pleasing everyone who views them. Unfortunately, the corner building "Hosmer" has its ground floor side on College painted over probably due to a graffiti problem being covered.
An interesting house at 75 College, painted lilac, actually extends past the "Puritan" building to the western border line of the empty lot(#226) next door on Allen. The property has the number 75 on the house but that number does not exist on the tax rolls. The number should be 77. Even more interesting is that the lot dimensions are listed at 27' wide by 40' deep, yet it is on a 100' deep lot and the house is actually 100' in length! An addition may have been added but the house has an approximate build date of 1870, and is one of the oldest on the street. The house owner is listed as Margarita Santiago of Staten Island, NY. Does anyone know how or why this discrepancy exists.
Thanks for the information....I like the possibilities and the article...This is something that should be done sooner than later...Allen is such a unique street in that it connects the medical campus to the heart of the elmwood allen area and I am surprised that the initiative would be top on the list...I do know that money and planning takes time...
This does look really cool, but I'm not totally convinced pedestrians would be safe without a curb. Think of how many cars ran into buildings last year, even when their WAS a curb. And think of how bad people are at parallel parking. Given how narrow Allen is already, I bet cars will be parking on the sidewalks if there is no curb.
Any thought to making Allen one way? It's already a tight squeeze as it is. I'm not sure what would be lost. You'd still have parking on both sides, maybe even room for a bike lane. It's not like the street connects with anything west of Elmwood anyway. If people need to go West, they'll take Virginia or North and skip Allen Street altogether. Given that, a one way street going east until at least Elmwood but more likely Delaware would make the most sense.
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" there are potential plans to reconsider what the connection (or lack thereof) might one day look like"
Do you mean there is thought of reconnecting Days Park with Allen?
That would be a nice idea, but I don't think the residents on Days Park would like it too much?
Yeah, that's why I'd be interested in clarification. I know I'd be against the connection. Especially with the school opening there is already plenty of traffic around Days Park.