Public Meetings to Discuss Ohio Street Reconstruction Project
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Leave a commentAs hard as it seems to believe, I love the old saying, "It is always darkest before the dawn." I applies to so many things, and our town is no exception. Just when we all thought we should bulldoz the city (darkest), all this development has begun. It is the cycle of nature and for us lifers, a welcome change.
Here's to the movers and shakers.
To note, this is also when many make their riches. There is tremendous opportunity out there. Don't turn your back when it knocks.
Look at the Ohio Canal which leads to the burried Ohio Basin (burried under Father Conway Park).
If even a portion of the Basin were rewatered back as a canal up to the Hamburg Canal then this would be the perfect providing 3 sides for a new Convention Center, Conference Center and Hotel.
Plus its a Light Rail future extention along South Park and easy highway access. It wont get landlocked like downtown or Canalside.
Its the perfect location. I would just love to get the convention center out of downtown.
Id also go so far as to say that the Bridge from Erie Street or Michigan or Main to the Outer Harbor is a FAR MORE URGENT consideration that a bridge at Ohio Street.
A bridge linking downtown to the Outer Harbor would do FAR more benefical effects:
-spurring devleopment in the outer harbor
-spur development of Canalside
-provide justification for the demolition of the Skyway Access Ramps and possible the Skyway itself.
Infact, by removing the skyway access ramps downtown would have an unobstructed connection to canalside. Very important.
I agree, the bridge projects at Erie Street, Main, and Michigan should be immediate priorities:
http://changebuffalo.org/harborfront
Did ECHDC make a decision on the four bridge locations they were considering? I wonder why they decided to fast track the Ohio Street reconstruction first.
I hope they have a master plan and are not approaching the development of our waterfront in a scatter shot approach.
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I fully agree. A bridge connecting Main St. To the outer harbor should be priority número uno. The visual impacts alone would be well worth the construction costs. That mixed in with returning traffic to Main St. I fell will be the biggest economic generator for the city 10 years from now. Plus, if you're going to buildmCanalside why not pump 60 percent of you're daily traffic right to it's doorstep? But, the one thing I see holding this project back was the lack of vision by Brian Higgins when he redid the Outer Harbor. If we putmin a bridge there will be no direct access to it for people coming off the Skyway, which may, or may not make it a priority over Ohio St?
A key part of seeing this happen is communication on different levels.
I've been seeking out Brian Higgins' office, and a few at the NYSDOT about what is being planned for the Skyway. If enough people get their voices heard, something should start to happen.
The Cooperage is likely beyond salvation. It is the next candidate for demo. While folks were being mustered for a spurious preservation versus demolition debate for the Erie freight house this structure was deteriorating without notice.
It would appear as though the project is "stalled" as listed on the AIA (American Institute of Architects) website due to funding issues. However, "The Cooperage" lofts proposed by Newark Niagara LLC, is still soliciting for $500 loft deposits on a severely outdated website. I drove by there recently and the entire roof is collapsed on the main building facing Chicago St.
The 4-story former mill is a Circa 1850-1870 building that is in dire need of repair or it is a goner. I'm surprised those side walls are still standing. I think this building site deserves a topic story immediately.
" I think this building site deserves a topic story immediately. "
Bump.
There hasn't been any news in quite some time. Every time I would think about it and search their site or for news both were stale. This would be a great item for proactive preservation.
I also wondered if the deposits taken on the lofts are in escrow or if they have been refunded.
From Architect Clinton Brown's (he is a partner in the project with Newark Niagara LLC) website:
The Cooperage project is the rehabilitation of the historic former E&B Holmes Machinery Co. barrel-making machinery complex on the Buffalo River waterfront in downtown Buffalo, NY into genuine residential lofts and commercial spaces.
The Preservation League of New York State recently disbursed a loan from its Endangered Properties Intervention Program (EPIP) to a Buffalo firm which will protect and restore the historic E&B Holmes Machinery Co. complex on the Buffalo River waterfront. The loan will help support stabilization and pre-development work on this 19th century industrial complex by Newark Niagara LLC. They will use the $200,000 loan from the Preservation League as bridge funding to complete selected demolition of the building’s collapsed portions, replace the roof, and secure window openings to prevent further water infiltration.
If a $200,000 loan was dispursed by the Preservation League, how come the repairs have not proceeded?
Hopefully they tailor the street to acommodate a new waterfront stadium complex and expanded downtown commercial district for the future.
With all the money we're pumping into improvments to the outer harbor and future projects such as this,why are we not insisting that the BSAB be the crowning jewel of the industrial heritage trail!
rockpile - ok, I give up... what's "the BSAB"?
start your downvotes now, but there is something about all of the trees and grass now being planned for ohio street that seems like an erasure of its industrial past.
we did the same thing at central wharf. there were zero lawns and trees back in the canal era when it was a commercial powerhouse. "green space" is usually the most boring of design approaches. when it comes to urban landscaping, less is more.
Grad 94: what would you have planners show on their plans? Much of the area is empty lots with some notable exceptions such as the former Sam's Town filling station and blue pre-engineered building sitting on Paladino's site along the water. At least the Erie Freight House project will be there and will bring some residents along with it.
It is sad that the Cooperage has been deteriorating right beneath our collective nose. In the time since the project was announced (to great fanfare as an example of a project that would immediately become a reality once NYS HTC legislation was passed)it has suffred irremediable collapse. Was the plan to collect $500 non-refundible deposits until you had enough funds collected to brace or shore up the structure? What is the plan for that structure? Have PBN or other preservation minded community groups been of any assistance to the owners of the Cooperage? Can they be?
The logic here is to create a trail. If I were a tourist or even a local exploring downtown, I would not risk traveling down a dingy semi active industrial street. A street that is clearly a trail leading somewhere else then sure.
And what are the goals here? Is it to preserve Buffalo industrial sites as a giant outdoors museum? Or is it to spruce these places up to make them more attractive to reuse and habitation? Its hard to both at the same time.
Should we dump a bunch of pollution there too to keep it authentic industrial?
i don't know what the design solution is. but i do know that toxic waste site and faux olmstedian parkway are not the only two possible choices. i also know that we have lots of planners and designers who might have ideas.
Would love to see the Baseball field at Father Conway park upgraded to a top notch baseball "stadium" to use for Buffalo HS and Section 6 playoffs, much like the football stadiums at Bennett and Riverside. It could also be used for summer summer leagues that are now played in crowded Delaware and Caz Parks. This would brings crowds on a daily/nightly basis.
Silo City? It is hard not to chuckle every time I read that phrase.
Didn't you know that Buffalo Rising has a Ph.D in Buzzword Creation? They went to a liberal arts school.
according to this, rick smith came up with 'silo city,' not bro.
That ballpark idea is nice. Grab some a brew and catch a game under the lights. Would really be a cool setting for it. Go see some music at Riverfest, then mosey over for a game. Since there would be a fence, you wouldn't be able to neutralize teams with big hitters by posting outfielders up next to the Scajaq like at Delaware.
It appears that the circa 1850-1870 Holmes Machinery Building is in far worse shape than I thought. I just drove by there for a closer look and along with the total collapse of the roof of the mill building, the top floor (4th) is only about 25% intact. The rest beyond the fifth window from Chicago St. has collapsed in or has been removed It is totally open to the elements. Apparently it has been in that condition for sometime now.
There is scaffolding holding up a lone section of roof over four floors of stacked Romanesque arches with double entry doors probably for an old elevator shaft. Here is a link to a 2009 photo:
It is sad to see the cooperage building collapse and disappear along with Harbor inn and other buildings down there. I grew up in the First Ward along with my parents and grandparents, etc. and visiting Buffalo this past spring it was good to see Riverfest park and Mutual Riverfront park (foot of hamburg to us ward rats)and also the rowing club on Ohio. Being partial to that neighborhood i would hate to see a bridge go in and bypass ohio street to the outter harbor. The ward is another historic part of the city that will finally go the way of the Palonia district and be gone with the winds of change. Modernization is a good thing im not debating that but i now live on Route 66 in Missouri and its a ghost town and its sad to see when people allow the past to fade away. Especially in the Ward where so much history lies. Im migrating back to Buffalo soon and i hope i dont come back to a city that i dont recognize due to all of the historic "old stuff" being torn down and turned in to strip malls filled with Walmarts and dollar stores which is all i am forced to stare at here in Missouri.
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Good to see this moving forward. A long neglected area that needs some serious attention. Creation of Riverfest Park was a great start. I can never drive through there without thinking about the Harbor Inn that was demolished. This will also be a good time to put some people on the record concerning the Erie Freight House along the river on Ohio St.