Assemblyman Ryan Urging ECIDA to Reject Tax Breaks for Catholic Health Project
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Leave a commentGood for Ryan--he's dead on about this. We can't bitch about the inappropriateness of Premier Liquors getting poached by the Amherst IDA, and then look the other way in regards to Catholic Health, just because it is moving downtown (which is a great thing).
Get rid of the self-dealing subsidies and let's start thinking as a region.
Right on. I'm not even sure why the state is spending $4 million on a private project like this.
I agree too, and it will be interesting to see if Ryan also speaks out against the concept of any residential projects (regardless of location) receiving "industrial" development agency handouts as sometimes happens.
"But... but.... everyone else gets these IDA tax breaks! Why can't we?"
Unless everyone plays by the same rules...this is unrealistic pontification.
Rejecting the subsidies will do nothing to stop the suburbs from offering them or our neighboring city Rochester from offering them or our neighboring saw Pa.
Are you going to make a stand on principle or just play the game and bring more traffic and people to downtown. This is the game that municipalities play.
Hopefully the state and county and city will use this ploy to attract someone to the HSBC building. Chicago had a similar problem with the Sears tower just a few years ago. Cities signature tower mostly vacated. They leveraged the merger between Continental and United Airlines to fill the tower back up. Chicago blew away the execs with an offer so early that Houston almost didn't even have a chance to match.
It isn't pretty but it is the cost of doing business today.
Yeah, because if Catholic health moved all of their hospitals to Rochester, which is already saturated with hospitals, I'm sure people will travel an hour every time they want a check up.
This is a medical company, they need to be where the population is. Now if they were a manufacturing plant I would agree with you, but Catholic Health has no reason to move to Rochester.
How utterly niaive....you think there aren't health insurance, banking, finance, cable and other that can't or don't already centralize in another city and service Buffalo.
Your not talking doctors or surgeons...those have to be with the people. Catholic Health is about data and management and insurance...they most certainly can merge and consolidate.
You know a law...even if there is one ....through enough money at a politician....and they will change it.
You cannot blame these companies for going for the free money handouts. They would be foolish not too. Government organizations no matter who they are need to start putting their foot down. Well done Sean Ryan.
As far as I am concerned the land is currently not generating tax revenue. If Catholic Health moves to another location then they are not going to get any tax dollars at all.
So if Catholic Health goes through with the plan, its a huge victory. But if they decide to build elsewhere it will be an even greater defeat.
I just hope Sean is a good enough poker player, to know for sure that Catholic Health will fold.
How about using the tax breaks to force a better site plan from them.
Ideally the zoning code should do that, with no tax breaks involved.
Was this the same poker hand that was played when Downtown Buffalo lost National Fuel to Amherst? First Ryan should work harder on consolidating the IDA's, and when he gets that done then the problem will resolve itself. Until then, should Buffalo continue to be the Guinea Pig? What happens to lab rats in the end?
Ryan gets a "10" on the pandering demagoguery scale.
Please no more cookie cuter buildings , why must every new build look the same .
It's a good point. This isn't a vacant lot/parking lot or a building being refurbished or repurposed. So what are bringing to the table that's special beyond a building and tax revenue. We shouldn't poopoo development but say to them were gonna need something a little extra.
Saltecks has great commentary; Buf2020 should get someprops.
Whatever hits the nail on the head with his comment. the rest is lame.
Everyone is blaming Catholic Health. However, they are not the company seeking the tax breaks. Uniland Development is applying for the tax incentives. They are constructing the building and will own it and lease it back to Catholic Health. Then after a couple of years Catholic Health will buy it from Uniland.
Such an arrangement will allow Uniland to embezzle the tax incentives from the ECIDA before the tax-exempt Catholic Health buys it from them. So Uniland gets the $4 million payoff for the heavy lifting and then dumps it to Catholic Health who promptly removes the property from the tax rolls via tax-exempt status. It seems like a three way payola for all involved. The loser is the public, the ultimate funding source of the ECIDA.
New York State is consistently ranked at/near the bottom in the "least friendly state to do business" polls in business/site selection publications. I have no problem with the IDA throwing money at Uniland.
Nope, the business-unfriendly state ranking is a red herring in the question of whether Uniland should be given this IDA handout.
The state's position in those rankings isn't improved at all by highly selective corporate welfare handouts to a very few politically-chosen businesses.
Ironically, if the $ used for these types of special giveaways were instead used to even slightly lower tax rates for all, it might slightly improve NYS in the rankings (although perhaps not noticeably, since regulations & per capita state/local govt spending are what they are here - just the way it goes).
Ryan deserves credit for getting this one totally right in opposing the $ to Uniland, even if he's wrong about some other issues as Perry's later comment notes, and even while he's wrongly supported some other giveaways like the millions in public handouts to Rich Products which coincidentally is in his Assembly district.
Assemblyman Ryan is also full of contradictions. He runs around making sure the IDAs are spending their money wisely (which is a good thing), yet he supports union-friendly project labor agreements, which costs Erie County $$$ millions each year and eliminates 75 percent of construction companies from bidding on the jobs.
The IDA almost unanimously decided against the viewpoint of Ryan, me, and some others above.
http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2013/01/14/ecida-approves-catholic-health-project.html
"... The incentives, which include gap financing for the $46 million project, were ultimately approved by ECIDA directors by a 12-1 count, with only Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz voting against the package.
... Besides the ECIDA incentives, Brown and Assemblywoman Crystal Peoples-Stokes, D-Buffalo, were able to secure $3.8 million in state aid for the project. ..."
Big surprise, not, lol - corp welfare is very very popular with most of our politicos of both parties. Good for Ryan and Poloncarz for at least sometimes trying to stop it, although those both often favor it too such as for Rich Products.
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Meanwhile, Amherst, Lancaster, and Orchard Park IDA's all say "here, have some money".
Actually Mr Fudoli in Lancaster is going to great lengths to reform the town IDA and is only supporting projects that bring added value and create jobs that wouldn't otherwise be here in the area, or would possibly leave without the IDA credit.