Governor Cuomo Expected to Veto Preservation Tax Credit Legislation
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Leave a commentSorry for the language...I should of said D-bag
Is this Buffalo's payback for voting for Paladino in 2010?
someone who wanted to deliver payback would be showering a billion dollars on rochester or syracuse instead of buffalo.
I still wonder how most people in Roch & Syracuse feel about that "$1B for Buffalo". Cuomo has justified it to them when questioned by pointing to Buffalo's poverty rate - apparently showing he's unaware or doesn't think it matters that the same exact poverty measure is very close or even higher in those other 2 cities than it is in Buffalo.
If anything, Paladino's win in most of WNY might attract more political attention from Cuomo in terms of state spending here… since it's an area with upside to add to his popularity of a landslide next time. Besides the "$1B", he also selected WNY as one of the 3 winners out of the state's 10 regions for an extra amount of corporate welfare during that supposed "competition" held in his first year.
And actually, JSmith's comment is mistaken if by Buffalo it means the city. Cuomo defeated Paladino in 8 of 9 city districts. (South was the only one in the city to make the better choice.)
It was more of a joke than anything. Perhaps I should have said "Western New York", but then the historic tax credit will have its greatest (but not sole) impact in Buffalo proper.
"South was the only one in the city to make the better choice", that's comical, Carl Paladino is the face of the ugly American, loud, rude, crude, vulgar, and unable to recognize his own hypocrisy. He was an embarrassment to WNY and would have made us the laughing stock of the nation had he been elected governor.
"unable to recognize his own hypocrisy"
In that way, Carl fits in with I'd say at least 99% of elected officials of both parties. Carl's hypocrisies are more unabashed than most, but in substance of hypocrisy I don't see a big difference between him and any typical successful politician anyone could name.
"loud, rude, crude, vulgar"
Those traits also describe many pols who many D's consider successful throughout history - Jackson, Truman, LBJ, etc.
Modern examples too - Chuck Schumer, Rahm Emanuel, etc. - even in some ways Cuomo himself, Obama, Biden, both Clintons, ...
Chris Christie is a non-D example somewhat.
High level politics can be a rough business for rough people.
Carl is wrong on a few issues like favoring corporate welfare (although Cuomo favors it too, so no difference there) and being anti gay marriage (but it would've become legal before long anyway). Granted, he never had any real chance of beating Cuomo. And if somehow he did, then our lefty legislature would've blocked most big reforms anyway.
… despite all that, it would've been good to see someone - even if loud, crude & vulgar - try to really fix NYS govt instead of just pleasing the establishment special interests by overseeing the long term mess as Cuomo does and Spitzer-Paterson-Pataki all did.
So yeah, if people wanted change then South did better in preferring Carl.
For keeping NYS on the same course, Cuomo was/is the man.
Whatever> "And if somehow he did, then our lefty legislature would've blocked most big reforms anyway."
I don't remember all of Carl's campaign platform but can't think of any substantial budgetary reforms he championed. To the contrary, I've always perceived Paladino as radically conservative socially but fairly liberal on fiscal issues. I know most conservatives selectively apply their small government message but CP seems to do so much more overtly than his peers.
What other than rhetoric handed down from the RNC led you believe there would be an effort to genuinely reform the size of government if the rest of the state made the "better choice?"
Trico currently returns $0 to the tax payers. Tax credits could bring it back to use in which case it could pay millions per year in taxes. That is millions that the state would then save in subsidies to the city eventually. Tax credits are one of the best most direct incentives for smart growth there is. Or we could use the money for more highways instead in which case the State will perpetuate the wasteful outward growth that has gotten us a mostly dead city.
Here's a different take:
I actually have faith that he will come around on this, and is working to push the bifurcation through. He "gets" the importance of historic preservation, and how it can fuel growth Upstate.
Remember this quote from Termini at the roll out of the the tax credits in July.
" As soon as the Governor signs off, he will get AM&A's underway the next day, Termini said. But he then surprised the crowd by revealing that he had already started leasing the building, so sure was he of the Governor's signature. In fact, he has it 100% pre-filled "
I think this news kinda sucks. The gov is sucking jobs and development right out of the air. And we hold onto hope that some new and improved version of the tax credit will pass all the levels of the dysfunctional state government.
If you're ready to dump a project because of a lack of tax credit are you really that much of a preservationist savior (ie. Termini)?
I'm sorry but this is a pretty dumb statement. Bottom line is this is his job. He doesn't do it because he loves saving buildings he does it for money. A difference of 7 million dollars is a lot! Personally I feel like there is a compromise somewhere and hopefully that is what we are working towards now.
on the contrary, i think he loves saving buildings and tax credits make it possible. you may love whatever profession you chose but your paycheck makes it possible.
Your right there was probably a better way to word that. I agree that he does love saving buffalo buildings. My point was more to the fact that 7 million dollars is a lot for him to make up
Rocco (like Howard, Roger and select others) has found that preservation does make money (with the help of the credits, yes). Hopefully, more will follow in his steps......
With respect to Termini's projects, property tax assessments should be increased by the amount of money invested in the projects, otherwise other City of Buffalo taxpayers end up paying the bill. Currently there is an unlevel playing field.
The Hotel Lafayette project should be paying $1.25million for property taxes this year, based on the $40+million investment in the building. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I do think his property should be re-assessed accordingly with market value but not based on investment. I could easily sink more money into my house than what I could sell it for. You shouldn't punish someone for investing money into their property by raising their taxes dollar for dollar. Otherwise we will see far less renovations.
@ brownteeth - I agree with you that properties should be assessed for taxes at market value and not at cost of improvements. If Hotel Lafayette were assessed at $40 million, taxes would be around $1.6 million. In reality, taxes on Hotel Lafayette are around $24,000 (not a typo). Personally, I don't believe that is fair to other City of Buffalo taxpayers.
Unless its written that you can't.... the central terminal, AMandAs and Trico are all 6 buildings. Why not just break yup the project back into separate buildings and in the case of the last 2 add an interior courtyard to integrate afterward.
@paulsobo - it is written that you can't do that, termini talked about how he was attempting to do that with either the Layfette or with AMandAs to make it more managable. They said no go.
@superman - if you invest money into your house you are still taxed by the value of your house, taxing the amount invested is ridiculous
The current system favors large projects already as the smaller development projects cannot afford to hire tax consultants to file all the paperwork. Add in the fact that some don't need tax credits to begin with and the disparity between small and large projects increases.
Wait, he's pro-charter schools and for crippling public schools, which I like but he's against historic tax credits? What should I think BRO? Is he in favor of loft apartments for under 30 year olds?
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