City December 17, 2012 10:02 AM

Campaign for Greater Buffalo v. Public Bridge Authority in Federal Court Today

Campaign for Greater Buffalo v. Public Bridge Authority in Federal Court Today

The Campaign for Greater Buffalo will be heard in its fight against the Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority (PBA) in Federal court today. The lawsuit will be heard by the Honorable Jeremiah McCarthy at the new Federal Courthouse on Niagara Square, with opening arguments beginning at 2 pm.

The lawsuit is an attempt by the Campaign to prevent the demolition of a row of historic buildings along Busti Avenue that have been threatened by the new massive Duty Free store planned. One of the properties the Campaign is hoping to save is the Colonel Samuel Wilkeson house, which is a designated city landmark and dates to the Civil War era. The long-term goal is to prevent the demolition of Thorton Hall, the Hutchinson Chapel, and the grounds of Episcopal Church Home, also a designated city landmark.

With an expanded plaza, the PBA would be able to accommodate a large duty-free gas station like Detroit has done with the Ambassador Bridge. Considering the amount of health problems related to the idling trucks that are already present, the gas station would only exacerbate the situation. The U.S. Customs Screening has recently been move to Fort Erie in an attempt to cut down on the vehicular pollutants, but it is unclear if this will be permanent. The PBA maintains that their land acquisition and demolition plan is to help the neighborhood by creating a buffer zone.

During the proceedings the court will hear the Campaign's position that the PBA is subject to New York State law, as it was created under NYS and Canadian statute and approved by Congress. As a result, the PBA must prepare an environmental review for the proposed demolitions under the State Environmental Review Act. The position of the PBA is that the organization is not subject to these laws and does not need to gain permission for the demolition of designated landmarks.

The Campaign is also seeking preliminary and permanent injunctions against the demolitions along Busti Avenue.

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Those houses appear to be the most fixable out of any I've seen on the West Side. Tearing them down is incredibly stupid and shortsighted but unfortunately, I fear greed may prevail in this argument.

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I do not normally agree with Tim Tielman’s autocratic approach but this is definitely one where I really need to stand behind him.

I have actually stopped and surveyed 771 Busti and the rear section is in such a state of near collapse, that any attempts to relocate this section of the building would probably result in a catastrophic failure.

The latter statement is assuming that this option would even be presented. If the area is to be developed, why is it such an obstacle to include this one unique building into the grand scheme?

Not only unique but a building that represent a prominate and significant piece of Buffalo’s history.

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I don't care either way if Cuomo and his PBA are successful in demolishing these old houses or they stay standing…
but even if somehow the activists ever convince Cuomo to reverse course and leave them standing - won't health risks preclude any reuse of them? We're told it's very dangerous for residents to breathe truck fumes, right?

No doubt the nonlocal truck crossings over the Peace Bridge will continue a very long time for reasons I mentioned replying to Ricchiazzi.

Those houses are _very_ close to the plaza. Wouldn't such a close distance inflict respiratory illness for any new residents in them?

Or is the plan to leave them standing but not allow people to reside in them?

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No, of coarse not. I imagine 771 Busti as a stand alone structure renovated/restored into a welcome center for tourist entering the US via the Peace Bridge.

Perhaps even used as an auxilary office for boarder patrol or custom agents.

771 Busti's days as residential are long gone.

This one building may prevent the area from becoming a sea of asphalt.

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Buffres - thanks for clarifying it wouldn't be residential, but aren't those alternatives impractical too?

The PBA is unrelated to Border Patrol or Customs - those are federal agencies who'd demand to have very modern customized buildings, even for 'auxiliary' official facilities. That idea sounds like a non-starter.

Although having a welcome center near the PB could be an ok idea, for that use to be effective and law-compliant wouldn't the Wilkeson need so much modification that it would defeat the preservation goal anyway?
(for example - big bright signage, ADA disability access, etc.) ?

Since preserving the Wilkeson won't prevent plaza expansion and continued trucking, I'm not necessarily against it - but it just doesn't seem to me like there's a practical use for it related to the PBA. The idea of letting anybody move it using their own $ sounded fine, but your comment above says it's too unstable to be moved.

How about this as a compromise idea?
Some privately-funded group, individual, or business makes a serious public proposal to the PBA to take over the Wilkeson and do something with it? In exchange, the PBA (or NY state govt, same thing basically) then grants a long-term very low cost lease for the property and otherwise stays hands off about it - agreeing to provide reasonable car & pedestrian access to it?
Would any factions protesting against demo be willing to step forward with that kind of serious public offer?
If so, I'd think the PBA and NYS should consider it. But if the only demand is for the PBA/NYS themselves to do something with it, that might be unreasonable.

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I agree with the neighborhood: ban the trucks.

But as a compromise position, I would endorse paulsobo's proposal: toll trucks at the Peace Bridge at a rate 3x the toll at Lewiston.

That way, truckers will self mitigate their pollution by willingly crossing at Lewiston. That reduces truck traffic at the peace bridge without an outright ban. The polluters would be paying for their pollution, and new toll revenues can go to the neighborhood for improvements or to mitigate health and property impacts.

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ricchiazzi>"toll trucks at the Peace Bridge at a rate 3x the toll at Lewiston"

Again, the PB is a binational bridge. That's why the PBA board who sets tolls is half appointed by Canadians and half by NY state's govt.

What's any evidence that Canada/Ontario doesn't _want_ the current amount of nonlocal trucking over the PB?

Some people in NYS/WNY/Buffalo want that too - but even if we ignore that for now and pretend there's American consensus agreeing with you (which there isn't), that wouldn't be a majority on the binational PBA.
Even with all 5 American votes for tripling the truck tolls, which I doubt you'd even get, that would be a 5-5 stalemate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_and_Fort_Erie_Public_Bridge_Authority
"The authority is a New York State public benefit corporation as well as an Ontario Crown Corporation, and a bi-national agency.
...
The Bridge Authority is led by a 10 member board with 50-50 split of US and Canadian members.
Of the five US members, two are appointed by the Governor with confirmation by the State Senate. The remainder members are representatives of various state or local agencies:
New York State Department of Transportation Commissioner
Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority Chairman
New York State Attorney General Office.
All five of the Canadian members are appointed by the Governor-in-Council as per recommendation by the Ontario Minister of Transportation. ..."

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So, you're making the point that we should have no ability to positively influence policy outcomes in favor of the city? That seems antithetical to the purpose and intent of our democracy.

The PBA, as an institution, isn't worth respecting. We should be talking about consolidating the PBA with the Niagara Bridge Commission, not respecting the unnecessary and duplicative machination of government.

You're point makes no sense. I'm the bad guy for wanting to develop a pricing system that mitigates cancer impacts on the most densely populated part of the region?

If the Canadians don't like it, tough sh*t. It's our city; our lungs; our neighborhoods; our quality of life. They can drive their trucks over the other damn bridge.

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Nope, I'm not saying this at all -
ricc>"you're making the point that we should have no ability to positively influence policy outcomes in favor of the city?"

I'm saying (1) the Ricchiazzi definitions of which is the 'positively' side of any issue is your opinion not always shared by majorities, and (2) the ability to influence is of course available to you to try as a citizen, just like for those who disagree with you. I pointed out some contexts of the PB issue.

ricc>You're point makes no sense. I'm the bad guy for…"

No, your reading skills are off.
I never said or implied that you're a bad guy. I've no idea on that. It doesn't matter. I disagreed with your arguments.

ricc>If the Canadians don't like it, tough sh*t."

Again, this returns to the q I asked you yesterday:
me>"Tell us - even if we momentarily ignore the opposition on this side of the border to a PB cargo trucking ban - how would you suggest unilaterally forcing that change onto Canada & Ontario against their will?"

As my link a few minutes ago showed, the PBA is binational by a US-Canada agreement long ago, with 50% appointed each by NYS govt and Canada/Ontario.
Even if you can convince the whole NYS govt side of this to agree with you against nonlocal trucking on the PB (which btw would be very difficult), that would still be only 50%.

How would you suggest forcing your "tough sh*t" viewpoint onto the other 50%?

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I don't care about the make up of the PBA's Board. We need to eliminate the authority and transfer the bridge to the niagara bridge commission.

Let's start getting rid of these redundant and excessive machinations of government. Moynihan proposed eliminating the PBA in the 1990s. Let's get it done already.

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The Niagara Bridge Commission is appointed in the same way as the PBA.

Both boards are binational 50/50 proxies for the policy wishes of Cuomo and Ontario's Premier.
Members of both will obey their bosses the gov and premier, or will be replaced by people who will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls_Bridge_Commission
"The Board of Commissioners has eight members, four appointed by the Ontario Premier and four by the Governor of New York State.
The authority is a class D New York State public benefit corporation, and a bi-national agency."

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Regardless, I would still assert that we should push for proactive policy changes that mitigate environmental, public health, and negative economic impacts on the city of Buffalo.

You're asserting that we can't change anything, so we should sit down and shut up.

That's really counterproductive logic.

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ricciazzi>"You're asserting that we can't change anything "

No, you're again showing very poor, imprecise reading skills.

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Good Luck, I support the slap in the face to the Peace Bridge Authority.

I hope you win and they pay damages for restoration

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Save them!!!!!

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Alot of decrepit buildings you folks are trying to save up there. By my count there's these peace bridge houses, there's that trico building, theires that central terminal, theirs that Steel Plant Building, what else ?

From down here I'm not sure where the $'s will come from to fix them up but good luck to y'all

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Actually, there is more hope for reuse of said structures (and others) than in recent years--passing the extended tax credits would make these projects even more viable.

Come join the fight--it's loads of fun.

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I think the way that we kill the PBA's rouge development plan is the same way we killed Bass Pro: insist on a community benefits agreement that is so sensical that local electeds cannot be bought off by the Governor (like Councilman Rivera, et al...) or treat the community's concerns dismissively.

Here is what I would propose:

We must mitigate the impacts of Peace Bridge operations with deliberate design considerations:

1. No expansion beyond the current plaza footprint.

2. Underground expansion of the current duty free.

3. Route cargo trucks over the Lewiston Queenston crossing.


We must maximize the regional economic benefit of the duty free operation while mitigating the impact of the tax evasion scheme on local retailers:

1. Duty Free store should be operated by a local firm.

2. Regional branding and 100% regional merchandise.

3. Living wage standard for Duty Free employees.


Polluters should pay for their pollution. For bearing the burden of the Bridge's environmental externalities, at least 25% of toll revenues should be dedicated to financing neighborhood improvements and community infrastructure into perpetuity, including but not limited to:

1. Streetscape reconstruction.

2. Front Park restoration and LaSalle Park improvements

3. Downgrading and tunneling of Interstate 190

4. Riverwalk and waterfront access improvements


http://changebuffalo.org/peacebridge

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I read this is sarcasm and it made me laugh. I read it as an actual idea, and it made me cry.

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Well, let me get you a tissue before I start to opine on highway removal....

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"Yesterday, a young Buffalonian named Matt Ricchiazzi inserted himself into the Grisanti matter. Ricchiazzi is a relatively recent Cornell graduate, and has somewhat famously failed to make the ballot in just about every political race he’s run."

Ideas are nothing but dreams without hard work.


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best quote of the day:

"Ideas are nothing but dreams without hard work."

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I don't know what Grisanti has to do with all this -- aside from him having betrayed the historic westside Italian neighborhood at Columbus Park and Prospect Hill. After promising to stand up for the residents, he instead stood down after his puppet masters made him dance.

For almost two decades now, residents and activists of Columbus Park have worked tirelessly to oppose the destruction of their neighborhood and the cancerous impacts of the truck traffic.

Their hard work is paying off -- and their resolve is unyielding. I don't know if they were motivated by dreams or because their community demanded this of them -- but either way, they hold the future of this neighborhood and their aspirations will prevail.

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Did you ever apologize for that bizarre anti-gay Grisanti ad?

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Nothing about any mailer that I saw was anti-gay or remotely offensive. Sure, some bold choices in terms of the imagery or the verbiage -- but certainly not "anti-gay". Most found it eminently amusing.

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You are so full of #$$^ Matt. People found it disgusting, and you beyond low and pathetic for doing it.

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Finding the mailer "disgusting" is more homophobic than the mailer itself. There's nothing disgusting about it. The pictures were mild, soft, tender -- dare I say -- tame. Gay friends have found it hilarious. I understand that the gay community is often uptight and touchy, but you should really learn how to laugh -- it feels good.


That being said, in no way did I intent to offend prostitutes by comparing them to politicians. I'm sorry, ladies. You girls work hard for a living.


(even the village voice found it funny) http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/09/ny_pol_knocks_g.php

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Talk about living in LaLa land.

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I dont know why. I catch alot of cr*p here for being a conservative republican but let me tell you that I support most of what Matthew.Ricchiazzi says.

It sounds reasonable and contrary to the dreams without Hard Work...nothing but hard work, commitment and dedication can be said about those italians in the Columbus Park neighborhood.

These are not week willed people they have an unapologetic backbone that this city has lost except for perhaps the Irish in South Buffalo.

You dont have to BAN Trucks from the Peace Bridge...simply raise the tolls for trucks as long term compensation for the liability caused to Front Park and the Columbus Park neighborhood. Raise the tolls on the Peace Bridge for trucks until its the same price cheaper for trucks to use the Queenston/Lewiston Bridge. Whats the cost of Diesel between the Peace Bridge and the Queenston/Lewiston Bridge...and thats the differential that the toll should be.
There is your capitalism buddy!

And you'll soon have enough money for full restoration of Front Park, full restoration of Columbus Park and all the Peace Bridge houses, an underground toll free shop and perhaps an underground plaza.

Heck there is probably enough money there to deck over the entire plaza with Front Park.

Why shouldnt the Peace Bridge have a premium over the Queenston/Lewiston Bridge?

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paulsobo>"I catch alot of cr*p here for being a conservative republican"

Fwiw, neither you or Ricchiazzi have ever sounded to me at all fiscally conservative. Both of you frequently advocate the wildest fiscally liberal spending ideas of anyone I can think of locally. Maybe Antoine Thompson and his roof-over-the-33 idea fits in there somewhere too.

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It's an ideology as simple as the words of Governor Palin: "Put government on the side of the people."


Look at the clash of Jane Jacobs and Robert Moses.

Clearly, Moses was the big government bureaucrat who spent lots of taxpayer money on ill conceived and grandiose plans that did more to exacerbate urban problems than to remedy perceived (and often misdiagnosed ills). He thought the government can fix social problems, and instead -- with the best of intentions -- made them much worse.

Urban highways, slum clearance, public housing projects, and the rest of the failed 1960s liberal urban agenda utterly decimated cities for nearly two generations.


Jane Jacobs, in my view, is the more conservative figure who preached precisely what Sarah Palin preaches: that ordinary people should be engaged in their own participatory governance and the aspirations of the people -- not elite business interests or bureaucrats -- should prevail.


As a conservative I'm very much opposed to state agencies that have run amuck, unaccountable to the people, dismissive of their interests, and driven by corruption -- particularly when their behavior damages residents and property owners in very significant ways (decreased property values, health impacts, etc).

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It's an ideology as simple as the words of Governor Palin: "Put government on the side of the people."

Yep, that's pretty simple. (I'm getting a clearer picture of why you find ChristieLou brilliant.)

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Who is this ChristieLou you keep talking about?

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actually, i don't think that robert moses had any desire or intention of solving social problems. he wanted to solve traffic problems and have highways that were the envy of the nation.

having said that, he never discovered the paradox of induced demand, namely that new capacity stimulates rather than reduces demand.

or as lewis mumford (i think) first put it, trying to reduce traffic congestion by adding lanes is like trying to fight obesity by letting out your belt.

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You can't really extract Robert Moses from the New Dealer mentality in which he was immersed. Everything he did was an effort to affect society. He was motivated -- as the entire city politic was at the time -- by ethnic and racial territorialism. The suburbs were a deliberate spatial construct that has propagated socio-spatial segregation patterns for decades.

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so we agree: he didn't want to end racial segregation, he wanted to perpetuate it.

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Of course Robert Moses was a Republican and in no way represented liberal interests. He was an elitist, racist, and power hungry, certainly more along the conservative line if anything.
As for the "failed 1960's liberal urban agenda", that is not accurate at all. The urban agenda that decimated our cities was of a conservative nature, all centered around the banks, mortgage brokers, home builders, highway builders, and businessmen eating at the public trough.
The 1960's "liberal agenda" did bring us Medicare, Medicaid, Voting Rights Act, Clean Air Act, Endangered Species Act, Peace Corps, VISTA, Head Start, and immigration reform that removed quota's based on race. Can you provide a similar list of conservative achievements?, I seem to be drawing a blank in that area.
Finally Sarah Palin? your kidding right?, she can barely form a sentence let alone articulate a political philosophy.

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Robert Moses was a card carrying member of the Democrat machine -- one of the most powerful Democrats in America at the time. He was Governor Al Smith's right hand, and he spawned all of the state agencies and authorities that we're now stuck with.

And no, he was not motivated by banks and mortgage lenders. He wanted to be able to spend big money without having to get approval from the New York State Legislature. So, he created and led port authorities, transportation authorities, power authorities... all for the purpose of engaging in massive borrowing and spending, back door taxation, and no public accountability... all the while filling the machine's patronage troth.

Jane Jacobs was the Tea Party movement of her time, just like the preservation movement here in Buffalo. It's a reaction to big government over-reach, driven by elitist government officials who think they're smarter than the populace and business interests who are trying to get their hands in the public pot.

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Jane Jacobs Tea Party? Your kidding putting those two names in close proximity to each other. She was pro union , against the Vietnam War and marched on the Pentagon.

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Certainly it was a different time and she was in a particularly urbane context, but relative to the power structure of her day, I see a lot of libertarian anti-war, anti-government Ron Paul parallels.

Obviously, they don't see themselves in the same narrative, but on the pendulum swing between anarchy and tyranny that has defined the long arch of western civilization, she was a reactionary to government over reach and an excessive centralization of power.

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When Jane Jacobs was asked about the tendency of some people to describe her as a libertarian Jacobs commented:

I'm highly in favor of helping the poor and of giving everybody as good an education as they want and can use — not what they can pay for. I think health care, not tied to money, is terribly important. … But as for not wanting to help the poor or saying "let everyone stand on their own feet," no, I don't believe that at all.

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I'm familiar with the quote. It's ironic, because her most lauded publication, "The Death and Life of Great American Cities", was a deeply reactionary text in its posture and tone -- a scathing criticism of prevailing big-government top-down central planning. Libertarians have branded her work "market urbanism". She supported privatization of utilities, frowned on subsidies, and loathed government intrusion. And her 1992 book, Systems of Survival, was largely libertarian political theory.

But she's eminently pragmatic and refuses to be a purist, which you've got to respect. In 2001, Reason (a libertarian publication), named her one of "35 Heros of Freedom".

http://reason.com/archives/2001/06/01/city-views

Clearly, her publications on economics (Cities and the Wealth of Nations 1984; The Economy of Cities 1969) were boldly capitalist articulations of expansion as an economic process.

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'She had no time for ideology ... and felt that many who invoke her name “cherry-pick ideas to suit their purposes.

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Robert Moses was a Republican, and ran for governor of New York in 1934 on the Republican ticket (losing by a landslide).

Yes, he was close to Democrats like Al Smith, but that is because he was extremely savvy at working with anyone who held the keys to the power he needed to achieve his goals.

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Republican is not the same as Tea Party.

Jane Jacobs = Tea Party

Robert Moses = Democrat machine/ Republican placeholder candidate for NY governor


Makes perfect sense to me.

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Moses was indeed a Republican, he embodied the elitism, racism, sexism, classism, and arrogance that continues to define much of the party today.

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"Put government on the side of the people."

Sounds nice, but not all people agree with your side of issues - banning PB trucking, or spending crazy amounts to expand light rail here, or removing the 190, etc.
You no more speak for "the people" than I do, or anyone does.

Imperfect as they are, we have things called elections by which the people choose who decides these issues.

For example as I mentioned, your side of the "oppose Peace Bridge plaza expansion and ban nonlocal trucking on the Peace Bridge" issue had candidates on the ballot this past Fall for both the assembly and state senate in districts that include the Peace Bridge neighborhood. Both lost very badly - Mascia & Coppola.

If the voters had elected those 2, or even 1, or even if it was a close defeat, it could've been a small start in the direction you advocate. Instead, voters chose Ryan & Grisanti, both who strongly support expanding the PB plaza and continuing trucking over the PB as currently allowed.

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None of those elections were referendums on the peace bridge issue -- and the public hasn't been fairly informed about the health impacts of the bridge, and the PBA's logic has not been critically questioned in any meaningful regional discourse.

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Excuses. Not good ones either.

Sounds no better than some people who make excuses why Obama won.

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Matthew is correct, the elections were not a referendum on the Peace Bridge Plaza, few outside the immediate neighborhood are aware of the real and documented health threat posed by the fine particulate generated at the Peace Bridge. Ignorance is bliss as they say and most of the electorate including those in North Buffalo, Black Rock, and the rest of the West Side are unaware of the impact this diesel exhaust hot spot has on their immediate and long term health.

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I dont know why. I catch alot of cr*p here for being a conservative republican....

ChristieLou, I couldn't agree more. I mean pointing out your racism, anti-semitism, and homophobia is one thing but how dare anyone get on your case for your conservative republican credentials.

P.S. Are you doing your anti-Merry Christmas campaign again this year? It was a hit on BRO last holiday season.

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ricchiazzi>"3. Route cargo trucks over the Lewiston Queenston crossing."

Canada/Ontario simply won't agree to ban nonlocal truck traffic over the Peace Bridge since they've spent so much privately & publicly to build up that aspect of the Fort Erie region's economy. And Cuomo, (as well as Higgins, Schumer, etc.) most certainly wouldn't agree to such a ban either for many economic-fiscal reasons on the U.S./NYS/Erie County side.

Zero chance of happening.

Tell us - even if we momentarily ignore the opposition on this side of the border to a PB cargo trucking ban - how would you suggest unilaterally forcing that change onto Canada & Ontario against their will?
[...cue the crickets…]

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A truck ban would have no negative impact on the region in the aggregate -- so Cuomo, Schumer, etc should have no bias on the issue. We would actually be using resources more efficiently (because we can concentrate truck inspection resources at one crossing).

"how would you suggest unilaterally forcing that change onto Canada & Ontario against their will?"

How about we follow the law and do an environmental impact statement on the Peace Bridge plaza renovation? If the findings are articulated aggressively in the media, that could kill it.

I would also like to see the neighborhood launch a class action lawsuit against the PBA for profiting off the poising of the residents of the neighborhood while being so negligent that they haven't even monitored air quality -- an obvious public health threat for decades. Someone call Erin Brockovitch.

I think the truck traffic can be regulated at the municipal level as well (ie, banning large cargo trucks from city streets, etc).

I'd imagine there are a number of options to make this happen unilaterally. But I don't think the Canadians are so uncompromising to necessitate the unilateral approach.

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I think we just found BRO's Rush Limbaugh.

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You're really too kind.

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Is Rush Limbaugh bisexual too?

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I wouldn't know how Rush gets his kicks. Live and let live -- it's called freedom.

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Actually, that was meant to be sarcasm. I don't believe your bi at all. Your right up their with so many conservatives who marry a beard and then use the the anti-gay schtick to get out the conservative vote. Your not BR's Limbaugh, your BR's Ken Mehlman , the closeted head of the RNC who ran the Bush re-election campaign. His fear tactics activated the religious right and at least a dozen states permanently encoded anti-gay legislation into their constitutions during that election. Now outed, he's trying to make amends. Too bad the damage is done.

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See what I mean by uptight and touchy?

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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1993 called, they want their saying back.

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And what makes you think you know how to play the game?

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ricchiazzi>"But I don't think the Canadians are so uncompromising to necessitate the unilateral approach."

You're free to think anything convenient to your argument, but what's any real evidence that Canada/Ontario are willing to ban long distance trucking over the Peace Bridge?
Have you been to Fort Erie? Have you noticed the massive public & private investments over there for the trucking/logistics industries?
Are you familiar with their rejection of Peace Bridge alternatives back when that was being looked at? (the Grand Island, Tonawanda ideas, etc)?

ricchiazzi>"How about we follow the law and do an environmental impact statement on the Peace Bridge plaza renovation? If the findings are articulated aggressively in the media, that could kill it."

Huh? Even if plaza expansion is somehow killed over the wishes of Cuomo et al, that wouldn't convince Canada/Ontario to agree to banning nonlocal truck traffic over the Peace Bridge.
I'd say "nice try", but that was a very lame try at moving the goal post.

ricchiazzi>"A truck ban would have no negative impact on the region in the aggregate"

That's your opinion.
People who evidently disagree with you and favor continued nonlocal trucking over the PB and expanding the plaza include Gov Cuomo, both U.S. senators Schumer & Gillibrand, as well as Brian Higgins, Mark Poloncarz, Mark Grisanti, Sam Hoyt, Byron Brown, Sean Ryan, Tim Kennedy, Dave Rivera, Rich Fontana, Crystal Peoples-Stokes, Kathy Hochul, …
So they've reached a very different conclusion about it than you. That by itself doesn't necessarily make them right and you wrong, but it shows among elected officials there's very broad disagreement with your premise.

http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/Peace-Bridge-Authority-to-Move-Forward-With-Plaza-Renovations-137040168.html
http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/08042012peace-bridge-plaza-construction

(btw - even voters this past fall re-elected two people who strongly favor continued PB trucking & plaza expansion - Mark Grisanti, Sean Ryan.
Candidates for those seats who made opposing PB trucking & plaza expansion part of their campaigns lost very badly - Al Coppola for Grisnati's senate seat and Joseph Mascia for Ryan's in the assembly.
Why didn't this issue result in a voter groundswell in favor of Coppola and Mascia? Why did they lose so badly if they were on the correct side of this important issue?)

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The elected officials that you mention are either statewide elected officials who don't take the time to delve into WNY policy issues because they are oriented towards NYC and only vaguely familiar with regional concerns (Cuomo, Schumer, Gilly).

Grisanti is a tool of Giambra, and they're both all about money. I don't know Ryan. I don't think Fontana and Rivera have the self confidence to talk to the Governor, let alone able to command a negotiating posture.

Voters have been poorly educated on this issue. The Buffalo News has been extraordinarily biased in its coverage of the PBA and their development schemes, and the media has long ignored the perspective of the residents and neighborhood.

I see the tide is turning though, and the media is becoming increasingly tolerant of criticisms of the PBA.


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This Richiazzi cat is about as tolerable as the NHL and NHLPA.

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I agree, a very reasonable plan.

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This reply was intended for the 12/17 12:24 pm comment on "mitigating the Peace Bridge impact".

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It does beg the question - Why use Preservation as a tool to get environmental justice for the residents of this neighborhood?

I get it - its a "by any means necessary" strategy to stop the bridge plaza expansion. But it looks silly to stakeholders and electeds to say on one hand that the neighborhood is a poisonous cancer cluster while on the other hand arguing for the renovation and repopulation of the block, which adjoins the plaza.

Sometimes I think it hurts both the causes of preservation and environmental justice. The residents are desperate, but they are getting bad advice on how to navigate this politically.

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Sam Hoyt is a sell out.

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I ordinarily get a kick out of the contradictions that come from these BRO Peace Bridge articles. Some of the usually "conservative" commenters turn and run from their principals and embrace a huge taxpayer funded mega-project that tramples private property rights.

What's even better about this article is the nasty rift that has erupted between two factions of self styled conservatives. On one hand, you have the the Robert Mosesian side led by whatever and his toadie Upandcoming/BurchJp/kangdangalang,championing a project that they would certainly embody "government excess and overreach" if it didn't result in demoed homes and continued subsidized car culture.

On the other, the (I dare not associate them with Jacobs as Salt' pointed out she wouldn't approve of their class-ism and union bashing) Richadazzi-Christylou faction making a surprisingly principled argument against the obvious waste of the PB, and support of the non-"week willed" people of the PB neighborhood.

Who's right? Who cares. I'm just enjoying the battle.

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Agree about entertainment, and contradictions/irony that a different (or maybe some overlap?) set of urban progressives for how long advocated for a 6-lane 'signature' bridge…

But about plaza project funding, won't it be funded by user fees, a.k.a. tolls & rents?
real>"huge taxpayer funded mega-project"

Higgy said user fees, not general taxes...
http://higgins.house.gov/archive/newsroom_ARTICLE3116_6985_PG_7.shtml
"The construction of the new bridge and plaza will be financed by bonds issued by the Public Bridge Authority (PBA). The bonds will be financed by PBA revenues from tolls collected from users and from rent from various tenants, including CBP, as a significant component of the Peace Bridge project is for new facilities for CPB."

If that isn't how they're doing it, they should go back to an approach of exclusively user fees. Then people opposed can just not use it.

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Also, I was reading an article the other day about false build environment. It was talking about how some placed are building areas to look old, but they just end up looking like crappy fake new builds. I hope this isn't the destiny for Canalside?

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I stil say these buildings need to be moved to Canalside to make it more authentic as part of a destination scheme.

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I agree.

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In this thread's 2nd comment from top, Resurrection said the main house with historic significance looks not able to be moved because a section of it is in near collapse.

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