City December 3, 2012 1:04 PM

BYP Happy Hour Tomorrow at the Hotel Lafayette

BYP Happy Hour Tomorrow at the Hotel Lafayette
The Young Preservationists are celebrating Buffalo and preservation at the Pan American Brewery!

Join BYP on Tuesday, December 4th from 6-9pm at the Pan American Brewery (391 Washington St) inside the Hotel @ the Lafayette for the BYP Holiday Happy Hour. The event is free! Drink specials will be available. For more information, the event info can be found here.

Donate for a good cause! The happy hour's goal is to raise money to purchase "presents" for abandoned houses including nails, wood, plywood and other essential items to board them up before winter. There will be a 50/50 raffle and even an opportunity to buy materials such as plywood and nails. The houses that will receive the "presents" will be chosen by attendees at the Happy Hour! Donations are not required, however highly suggested!

BYP will be discussing several initiatives such as Trico, Beth Steel, Wildroot and 2013 goals. Come on down and celebrate/fundraise/talk Buffalo with us.

About BYP: BYP is an energized group of young professionals and students who are interested in preservation, urban planning, architecture and most importantly, Buffalo.

For more information, contact bypteam@gmail.com

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Bully!!

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It's because groups like these that people give little creedance to preservationists. After going to a few of these gatherings, here are my conclusions:

-"Nice glasses!" " Oh thanks! Nice skinny Jeans!"

- That building is cute, someone should do something about it. (Crowd) "here here!"

- "It's all Robert Mosesses fault!"

- Smile for the camera so we can show BR how hard we're working to save Buffalo.

- "Everyone pat your selfs on the back now!"

Reality: if you want to talk to preservationists, head on down to your local Home Depot.

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people who spent all day replacing drywall or scraping clapboards deserve a cold one, too. come on down, all you hardworking old-house-owners, carpenters, and tradespeople!

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For starters, it's "hear, hear". Unless your mastery of puns exceeds my diminutive intelligence.

Where do I find preservationists at home depot? The patrons fulfilling their responsibility to upkeep their houses as owners? Kudos! So why isn't the same standard applied to commercial property owners?

So which troll are you? I'm assuming the freshness of Joe Doughnut is because your previous account was deleted for insightful and robust contributions.

Also, it's credence. Maybe you should get tighter jeans to improve the blood supply to your brain. (A side, I hate skinny jeans and I'm no hipster lover. But if that's your flavor, God Bless.)

replied to Joe Doughnut
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ALL are welcome.

Just to clarify, we are ALL working hard on so many levels. Some are doing rehabs of their own, many are doing outreach/marketing and many are in the field everyday working to save our built environment through construction, consulting and research.

Try to understand that 99% of us are actually volunteering our time because we see historic preservation (aka - reusing, rehabbing, repurposing, reLOVING our existing built environment) as a way to bring visitors, add good paying jobs to our region and celebrate our incredible history.

Lastly, BYP is a group of people who have ENERGY, who are EXCITED and who see Buffalo as having an incredibly bright future. Please don't throw water on the fire. We need all the energy, hope and do gooders that we can get to make our City and region a more successful place.

replied to Joe Doughnut
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I'm glad it's a group with ENERGY, and IDEAS but all I heard were buzz words and lip service.

The people there were nice, but the groups message was as clear as the occupy movement.

It's a social group that enjoys throwing a few cold ones back, while patting them selfs on the back for all their "hard work" saving Buffalo.

This was my impression after two meetings, and two cameos in BRO. Maybe there's a super secret meeting where things got accomplished? The STONECUTTERS!

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We actually do have BYP meetings where real business is done.

The Happy Hours are there for others who are interested to meet us and get involved... and for the existing BYPers to come together once in a while to have fun.

In BYP, we are friends first because we know we will be more successful if we know each other, laugh together and fight together. The happy hours are to laugh, talk and brainstorm. They are not intended for write press releases, which we do but not during the happy hours. All are welcome to come, we are all about adding more people to BYP and getting more involved in whatever preservation oriented issue they want to focus on.

Perhaps you should come again so we can explain to you how the group works together and apart. We would be happy to get you involved and also explain all of the initiatives we are working on.
Thanks!

replied to Joe Doughnut
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remember, it is a holiday party. do judges hold court during their holiday parties? do teachers give lessons during their holiday parties? do bike shops fix flats during their holiday parties?

replied to Joe Doughnut
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It's too easy to hate on 'vationists for Buffalo's (historic) economic and social stagnation. Instead of targeting their discontent at the Powers That Be, who have made terrible, self-serving decisions, and/or at the macroeconomic conditions that have hurt WNY over the past 60 years, some folks find the need to blame a group of (as you say) volunteers who are doing a pretty selfless task--saving the built environment for everyone's use/enjoyment. And, that shrill seems to be getting louder (as the preservation movement simultaneously seems to get stronger).

I am so tired of the "obstructionist" claim. For one, if we were more successful at obstruction, we would not have lost as much as we already have; that is one hell of a myopic view that preservationists could possibly have that kind of power--development (and money) will always reign. Second, look at where the progress is happening in Buffalo folks--in adaptive reuses. Third, maybe there are some disagreements over specific buildings; so, let's move development to the THOUSANDS of vacant spaces that have opened throughout the city, due to demolition, over the past century.

So, yes, preservation of these buildings for present/future use is important. Find a different scapegoat for your frustration about the political/economic landscape than preservationists--go to the source.

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Sounds to me like you should be on this "preservation board", but you're ideas are way too focused and detailed; and would result in real change. BUT, how are you ever going to Instagram your letters to people with power and attendance at housing court!?

It's much more glamorous to make a sign or heart that says "this place matters".

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The people that go to the BYP happy hours are the same people that succesfully put pressure on the BNMC to prevent the demolition of the entire TRICO complex.

The same people that are pushing hard in the media for ECC to locate its medical building downtown.

They are also the people that have been fighting and petitioning in Lackawanna for months to save Old North.

In addition to that most all of us have demanding full time jobs.

Further more, many of us are either bringing back our personal residences from the dead or rehabbing multiple houses at any one time.

Sure, there may be some who are new to the cause or are not into it that deep but what better place for them to be than a SOCIAL event?

replied to Joe Doughnut
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Meh, again angst about the obstruct word. I'm not aware of anyone saying preservationists in general are mostly obstructionists. Who ever did?
(Ok, in WGRZ comments yes, but they won't see your rebuttal here. And there's also tons of generalizing against other groups of all political stripes in forums like that - so you guys aren't especially victimized even there.)

If/when anyone does generalize that way, obviously it's a dumb exaggeration or hyperbole. Some (not all) preservation advocates are obstructionists by the word's dictionary definition and proud of it. They feel some things should be obstructed. It's equally fine if others speak out against the obstructing. It isn't necessarily anything to do with scapegoating for about any political or economic landscape. Sometimes there's differing views of what's progress or what's the greater good in any instance. It's dumb if either side tries to command the other to shut up.

btw, 'obstructionist' didn't appear in this thread until you brought it up.
(Not that there's anything wrong about you bringing it up - but just sayin.)

On the Happy Hour topic - yeah, that's a lame thing to criticize anybody about. If hypothetically some group did only those, then of course lack of doing anything more substantial could be critiqued. But even it wouldn't be the fault of Happy Hours.

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I brought up the topic (of obstructionism, in light of preservation) because it seems to have become the mantra of many, particularly since the Freight House developments (it has been said on these forums repeatedly). The sentiment(s) that preservationists need to "focus on what is salvageable", "get proactive", and/or "shut up, and get out of the way of progress" seem to be more pervasive.

Everyone seems to have an idea of what preservationists "should" be doing, and how we "could do it better". To those I say, in retort: "don't like what we are doing? Then, roll up your sleeves--you have as much to gain/lose as I do." I don't personally gain from being a preservationist, nor do any of the members of this group; however, we view the salvage/restoration of our historic built environment as true progress and as Buffalo's future, of which we now have countless examples: Trico I, Shea's, Babeville, Webb, Martin House, etc. etc. etc. (which will hopefully be complemented by tasteful, inspiring modern infill.........)

I do, in fact, see it as scapegoating, and I sense there is a perception of elitism (ie--that preservation is an "elitist sport"). The venom spewed at preservationists (disclaimer: I don't care what people think about preservationists) seems disproportionately venomous. The battle cry is so often that we are impeding progress, and that we don't want Buffalo to move forward. Again, I turn this on its head and ask people to point to any better examples of progress in Buffalo than the Larkin District, the Lafayette and Canal Side....all of which were greatly informed/participated by preservationists (ie those who want to leverage our historic built environment for the city's future).

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I would think the next logical step is to advocate for reparations.

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Venomous scapegoating happens toward many in this kind of forum -
the teachers' union (& other unions), Republicans, sprawled citizens, Byron Brown & his administration, people who like convenient parking, people who loiter on Main St sidewalks downtown, … on and on.

Yeah, it would be good if fewer people would do scapegoating, but preservation activists are far from the only recipients of it.

As for 'obstructing', sometimes that shoe does fit. It's a word with a meaning and it doesn't always have to be negative if people favor the stopping/blocking of some action.

And again 'shut up' or equivalent is only said very rarely on here, never by me for instance. I'd bet lately it's complained about more than it's actually said.

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Dam right! I too get mad as hell when complete strangers decide to get together to discuss a topic of mutual interest over a drink.

I feel the same when sports fans get socialize at bars to cheer their team over a few beers. If they had any perspective on "reality" they'd go out to the Ralph and join the Bills instead of partaking in buzzwords and lip service.

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