City December 2, 2012 2:35 PM

Buffalo wins back a real trophy!

Buffalo wins back a real trophy!
The monetary goal has been reached in order to bring home an original Central Terminal light fixture from an antique store in Toronto. The organization Broadway Fillmore Alive has posted on its Facebook page that the amount of $3696 was raised, which not only exceeded the initial $3100 needed, but did it in a record amount of time. 

The money was to be raised by December 24, 2012, in order to ensure that the fixture would come home. From what I understand the goal was reached around the beginning of December. Shortly before the first of the month, an announcement was made that they were getting close to reaching the final goal. That news prompted a number of supporters to push it over the edge.

That means that the generosity of Buffalonians, both near and far, accomplished the goal in about a two-week time period. Not a bad way to start off the holidays.

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Now we just need to bring trains back...

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From what I understand, the Terminal was in private hand in the 80s and early 90s. The owners stripped the complex of anything of value and sold it. It was theirs and they had a right to sell whatever they liked. Any buyer would have bought it legitimately.

If anything were actually stolen from the Terminal and then resold, the Terminal today would have to prove that the buyer knew or should have known it was stolen. If there was no reason to know it was stolen, a court would likely rule that the buyer was nonetheless a bonafide buyer and rightful owner.

At least, this is what I remember from my law school classes on stolen artifacts. I may remember it wrong, or the law may have changed, and if so, I'm confident someone will correct me.

The issue is more pressing with the Darwin Martin house when windows were stolen when the building was abandoned and also owned by UB. Oddly enough, the House cannot sue anyone who purchased stolen windows, or at least it would be very difficult to do so.

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was this a ransom payment?

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was this a ransom payment?

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was this a ransom payment?

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wow don't know how that message got up there 3 times. sorry for that.

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Nice job!!!!

Does anyone have a photo is some kind of context? I have no idea how big this fixture is.

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Thanks for the photo(s).

I contributed money to the cause, and was happy to do it.

But, now that I see the small size of this fixture, I have to ask,
Why did it cost so much?
And what did it cost the dealer that had it in Toronto?

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I agree with you that the price seems high - though I don't know the going rate for this kind of thing. At least it does appear to be in excellent condition. I also think its really important to have at least 1 original of a piece like this, and then make replicas for the rest of them. Hopefully CT will be in position at some point to replicate all of the lights that once adorned the concourse.

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good going, buffalonians!

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Now don't spend the money buying the others. Use this and have the rest replicated.

We need the trains and the light rail at the central terminal

Small but significant victory

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I agree. It's got to be cheaper to make them new.

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I wouldn't assume that. First the materials used were top quality. Second the craftmanship was top quality as well. To duplicate it exactly would be quite expensive, assuming you can find craftsmen who can indeed duplicate it.

You can certainly do a cheap knockoff, and perhaps that wouldn't be a bad idea for places where closeup inspection isn't feasible.

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the terminal has had 4 owners since the RR, the first one bought it legit and kept it intact, the 2nd bought it but never actually paid for it, and the 3rd owner was teh 2nd's sidekick

the 1st private owner was the one that sold off this fixture when the train concourse was severed from the building. All other light fixtures that were sold off were done so WITHOUT proper ownership of them

This is not a 28" tall main concourse fixture, its from the TRAIN concourse and is slightly shorter @ 21" tall

Heres a comparison: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/184601_10150163285942425_4939320_n.jpg

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My suggestion to the Central Terminal Board is to reach out (if they haven't' already) to the folks at the Martin House Complex. They have a lot of experience and information they can share.

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