Work Starts on School Conversion Project in Riverside
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Leave a comment@ Buffalo Rising.....Black Rock is not Riverside, Riverside is not Black Rock. Anyone who grew up in this area, as i did, will feel the same way...This school is located in Riverside please revise heading.
Agreed....this is most definitively NOT Black Rock.
Though, I am always pleased to see a building re-purposed for 21st century needs, my own work experience has lead me to witness that low income housing does not lead to any viable economic development.
I was directly involved with Phase I of the Niagara Falls Public Housing Project where we constructed 115 townhouses which included three bungalows all designed in a pseudo-craftsman style that were, in my opinion, far superior to any public housing project I have ever encountered.
The residents were thrilled and I can say 99% were the perfect tenants as we gradually moved them from “old” center court to “new” center court.
However, other than providing new housing and temporary construction jobs for those in the skilled trades, nothing in the area changed as far as economic impact.
No jobs were created; no industry moved to the area and no shopping centers opened. It is a new area with the same problems. The poor souls seeking work were marooned on an island with a city bus service to nowhere circling a city that offers very little in the way of employment opportunities.
I am gainfully employed because I have access to my own transportation and am extremely mobile to where I will work anywhere on just about any project in need of my talents but not everyone is that flexible.
Hell, I would accept an assignment in Iraqi if it were offered.
As for this project, I realize the funding was contingent on providing housing for low income but it would have been more beneficial to provide housing for urban professionals and empty nesters as well as low income.
The melting pot of inner city living is not achieved by adding or, in most cases, just relocating the same group of individuals.
What becomes of the units they are currently residing in? – empty and vandalized or is there a systematic approach to de-construction or, better yet, landbanking?
I agree with this comment completely. It's great to see the reuse, and wonderful to see low income housing BUT it needs to be complemented by access (to transport, jobs) and services/amenities to be a total win.
3.5 million/7,000 = 500 new roofs on crumbling houses. Just sayin.
can i get the number of your roof guy, i live downtown and they estimates 12-14k. I understand your point, but get me that number!
Its about $500-$600 a square (100 sq ft) for a tear-off with new plywood if you want to estimate it.
Honestly though, what would you guys expect them to say. "This reuse won't do anything for the community" would be quite possibly the dumbest statement ever.
They secured money that was available to everyone, they are reusing a vacant old building, and low incoming housing is important to a city, nomatter if you personally like it or not.
Decent project, money was going to be spent no matter what, lets all nod and move on.
bob>"would you guys expect them to say. "This reuse won't do anything for the community"
No, but they aren't limited to only two choices between that and the politician-speak like "projects such as these that speak to the continued viability and future resurgence of our neighborhood".
They could just say the positives they want to about the building, thank anyone they want to thank, and move on.
Politician-speak by itself is more annoyance than real problem, so it isn't a huge deal by itself. But if they really believe some of the things they say, it can lead to real problems in their priorities and decisions they make.
bob>"money was going to be spent no matter what, lets all nod and move on"
Even if the amount was going to be spent "no matter what" on lower-income housing, the points from some are still good that there might be smarter ways.
If we double Tim's number of $7k up to $14k, the total still could have be for 250 roofs on already-residential houses. Arguably helping save 250 at-risk houses would be a greater good than converting one former school to residential.
Has anyone driven past School 60 lately? It's in rough shape and certainly wasn't reusable as a school. I'm glad it's being put back to work again.
I'm no fan of low-income housing, but one less abandoned empty building is better for everyone especially in a neighborhood like Riverwide. If it can get investment into the neighborhood, it could be a very prime residential community, especially since it's so close to the northern suburbs. (Yes, I'd rather the jobs stay in the city, but sometimes you have to meet halfway)
To be clear Depaul Properties is a not for profit. So there is no lining of the developers pockets here. The residents that will live here do have money so there pressence will in fact have a longer lasting economic benifit. It wont be huge by anymeans but it will exist. As far as i can tell all of this anti affordable housing talk here is a bunch of classist BS. A City that takes care of its ill (mentally and otherwise) and low income is one that becomes vibrant.
As far as I can see, there has been no mention of “lining one’s pockets” nor is “gentrification” a dirty word. What is being questioned is the lack of balance as the City of Buffalo is continuously promoting low income housing or so it appears.
Even units re-purposed for market rates are required to provide “X” amount of affordable units depending on the total square footage or number of units in the building.
Why not drop the low income mentality and simply provide market rate apartments or condominiums with the affordable number of units as per code?
Trust me, no one reading and responding to these blogs is a classist as they’re too busy looking for loop holes for next year’s taxes or moving to Orchard Park or snooty Williamsville (aka Disneyland).
@Buffalo_Resurrection: ForestBird said "Taking tax money to subsidize one project, stuffing the pockets of the 'developer', cannot save a neighborhood."
This is not an instance were taxpayers are making someone rich. This is a city taking care of its citizens.
"Not for profit" does not mean that the people running the NFPs aren't being paid very VERY well.
@Buffalo Resurrection:
"Why not drop the low income mentality and simply provide market rate apartments or condominiums with the affordable number of units as per code?"
Its likely because they are receiving tax credits specifically for low income housing to offset project expenses.
Have you been in the neighborhood anytime in the last five years? Market rate wouldn't yield the rents needed to leverage the debt of reconstruction.
PS - I'm in both these industries ntoed above. They have a pretty viable plan for a hard-hit area. I grew up only 7 houses from the building (..and my parents still live nearby). Low income units are never the problem - only thing that needs to be monitored is the management once complete. The mangaement either makes or breaks the entire outcome.
No one should be happy about this. There is nowhere in this city that needs more low income housing less than riverside and the millions of dollars wasted by the state on this giant proj could have better spent actually fixing up the neighborhood. This will only bring more crime, strife, and further decline. And you know for certain this is not going to create jobs and that not one damn person from Riverside will be awarded any work, the company is based in Rochester and that is where they are going to bring the workers from. Buffalo Rising get your head out of your ass.
@ Buffalo Rising ....Thank you for the revision!!! I prefer BRO over the Buffalo News anyday!!!
Is the cool modern addition in the first image to be placed behind the existing structure? What is its function?
Sadly, no progress at the empty lot that was Riverside Mens Shop. So much for the urgency of tearing down that building.
The urgency of tearing down the Men's Shop was due to safety concerns and the ever-present eye sore of a glass front store clearly revealing a collapsing, decayed interior. The RMS and some of the attached neighboring buildings had flooding and multiple code violations, along with structural concerns due to years of neglect and vandalism. If you want to point fingers at someone for that go for a) the recent owner, who neglected it severely and b) the original business who occupied it for decades only to flee to hoity-toity-er digs when times got rough (and still calls itself the same name despite not being in, or near Riverside). Just sayin'.
This project was a boon to this community. The building would have sat vacant for years, harboring crime and squatting, putting locals and police who would be forced to deal with loiterers, drugdealers, etc in danger. Not to mention the pest infestations large empty buildings (which wind up as dumping grounds for garbage) can draw. Then there's the ever-present eyesore factor - an empty hulk like that is a huge deterrent to improvement or investment in the surrounding area. As far as I know this housing is specifically for veterans, not general low-income housing (i.e. projects) like Jasper Parrish. While many of the residents will have income (through employemnt, disability,etc)a lot of them still need places like this to avoid being homeless or couch surfing with friends and relatives. Consider that before you worry about "public tax dolalrs."
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Um, why the need for this (Low income housing)? There is already low income housing in the neighborhood: Schaffer, and Waterfront High-Rises.
Riverside needs medium-income housing. This just promotes more people, with little disposable income, moving into the neighborhood, which is already lacking balance.
I too would love to see medium-income housing. I love school building apartment conversions, especially when those old blackboards, coat rooms, and other fun architectural features are kept intact.
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"Joseph Golombek, Jr. said, 'It is projects such as these that speak to the continued viability and future resurgence of our neighborhood' " .
No. Absolutely not true. While I am not saying that the reuse of an old public school is bad, it does not in any way "speak to the viability" of any neighborhood. Neighborhoods are viable when its homeowners (with good jobs) elect to spend thousands of dollars to maintain their homes, instead of moving away. Taking tax money to subsidize one project, stuffing the pockets of the 'developer', cannot save a neighborhood.
That $3,250,000 plus $1,500,000 could have helped a lot of people put new roofs on their tired old houses, instead of creating 68 apartments in an area already with too many vacancies.
I agree with you, Joe Golembek. Living on a disability income and desperately needing a new roof on my house & garage (always picking up shingles off the ground) and also paint on garage & house. .......I would have appreciated some help with trying to fix up my house. I'm sure I'm not the only homeowner in this situation.