Real Estate November 24, 2012 9:40 AM

Termini Heading North

Termini Heading North
Prolific redeveloper Rocco Termini is apparently heading out of town.  Downtown that is.  Termini is scheduled to present reuse plans for the FWS building at 1738 Elmwood Avenue to the Black Rock-Riverside Good Neighbors Planning Alliance on Wednesday night.  The redevelopment is expected to involve a restaurant along with apartments.

Termini has done extensive work downtown, converting seven properties into a mix of retail, commercial, hotel, restaurant and residential space.  After tackling his largest project to date, the transformation of the Lafayette Hotel, Termini was expected to turn his attention to transform the mammoth AM&A's Department Store into hotel, residential, restaurant and entertainment space.  

The AM&A's project hinged on an increase in the New York State historic preservation tax credit cap that has apparently died on the Governor's desk.  A few weeks Termini said he would be walking away from that project if the tax credit cap wasn't lifted and he'd shift the planned AM&A's uses to a new project.  It is unclear whether some of those uses and users are now heading to North Buffalo asTermini is also rumored to be piecing together a new project downtown.

The FWS complex contains 85,000 sq.ft. of space in a series of two and three-story buildings built around a central courtyard.  It was designed by Esenwein & Johnson for the General Railway Signal Co.  Gurney Becker & Bourne is listing the property with a $899,000 asking price.

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There are tons of great industrial buildings around these rail lines. Hopefully this is one of many reuses in the future.

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read my mind, rocco. when i heard that fws was closing, i thought 'loft apartments.' hope you consider stripping off the gray paint.

and let's get that tax credit legislation signed!

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Yeah, never even noticed those awesome windows on the top floor. I guess I was always mesmerized by the awesome glass block.

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This is a great complex of buildings -- way to go, Rocco! This will help light up another node along the Belt Line.

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Exactly what I was thinking

The future potential is there...a lot of the regeneration is along the old Beltway...which keeps the potential tat someday it might be reactivated.

BTW, what ever happened to the proposal to redevelop the pierce arrow factory into dorm rooms, studio and loft apartments.

Residential is great but looking at the old factory buildings in the rear makes me wonder if anything can be done to convert them to small business units....help bring jobs back to the city as well as people.

Buffalo has such great history and culture as a city...I just wish the city could rise up to it again.

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Exactly what I was thinking

The future potential is there...a lot of the regeneration is along the old Beltway...which keeps the potential tat someday it might be reactivated.

BTW, what ever happened to the proposal to redevelop the pierce arrow factory into dorm rooms, studio and loft apartments.

Residential is great but looking at the old factory buildings in the rear makes me wonder if anything can be done to convert them to small business units....help bring jobs back to the city as well as people.

Buffalo has such great history and culture as a city...I just wish the city could rise up to it again.

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ugh, just goes to show ya that people will live anywhere if you just call the dump a loft. Take a walk behind FWS sometime and check out the stunning views!

Best part is, why would he have to beg a neighborhood group for support... its like, what neighbors?

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I've been behind it, and it has the kind of gritty/cool industrial vibe that appeals to many. In fact, there's a lot of that kind of thing in the immediate vicinity that I hope other developers take a fresh look at, given Rocco's investment.

He's not going to be begging anyone for their support -- discussing his plans with the Good Neighbors Planning Alliance whose geographic scope covers that area is good practice and shows respect for the community.

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You're right, Debbie Downer. Rocco should just let this rot. There's no need to be innovative when it comes to life in Buffalo. Let's just all cry in our stale cups of Labatt Blue; we'll let other cities enjoy the micro brews and loft apartments.

Get a life, dude.

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The worst part about this story is the fact that when I sing "Dress up your home for less, FWS" is that weird voice, my kids are not going to know what I am talking about...

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So true, it's like the Sattler's jingles that are so nostalgic for a certain generation but essentially meaningless to me.

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It's great to hear that more of these Belt Line industrial buildings are getting some attention!

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Here's an illustration of the complex from about 1907:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thehydraulics/7173342503/in/photostream

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Wow, I never realized how big that building really is. But it definitely could be an amazingly cool loft if polished up. And Rocco is the right guy to do it.

Does the property also include those industrial buildings in the back? They could be used for garage space.

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The buildings in the back belong to, and are currently being used by, Niagara Metals (scrap metal). But their entrance is off Hertel, so their operations should minimally interfere with what Rocco is doing. I suppose if they're not using all their under-roof space, that they might rent some to Rocco for tenant parking -- strictly speculation on my part.

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Parking Garages are good but there are plenty of people who could use that space for their own small business: car repair, furniture, clothing, catering, arts, crafts, trades, etc.

By the way weren't dorms and studios and 1bedrooms planned for the Pierce Arrow?

By the way...what's the timetable for the next dorm construction and stadium construction over at Buffalo State.

These are all tied together with the potential to complement one another

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Parking Garages are good but there are plenty of people who could use that space for their own small business: car repair, furniture, clothing, catering, arts, crafts, trades, etc.

-weren't dorms and studios and 1bedrooms planned for the Pierce Arrow?

-what's the timetable for the next dorm construction and stadium construction over at Buffalo State.

These are all tied together with the potential to complement one another

side note: AMAs is really 6 buildings. They need to break it back up into 6 Buildings put an interior courtyard like Elliott Square and if possible return the 1890s facade to Main same as Washington side. There is a strong potential to turn it into a 2nd Elliott Square boy Lafayette Hotel.

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This complex is also an important site in the history of Buffalo Broadcasting. In 1922, the office housed the transmitter and first studio of WGR. The Federal Telephone & Telegraph Company, a pioneer in radio development and mass production, was located at 1738 Elmwood Avenue. The company's name can faintly be seen on the side of the building (2012). A 1922 picture of the building is located at www.BuffaloBroadcasting.org

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Great tip! It's an illustration of the complex apparently prior to the grade separation of the Belt Line. Here's a clickable link:
http://www.forgottenbuffalo.com/buffalobroadcasting.html

BTW Marty, are you hearing of pressing preservation issues with the former Schreiber's @ 662 Fillmore--?

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This complex is also an important site in the history of Buffalo Broadcasting. In 1922, the office housed the transmitter and first studio of WGR. The Federal Telephone & Telegraph Company, a pioneer in radio development and mass production, was located at 1738 Elmwood Avenue. The company's name can faintly be seen on the side of the building (2012). A 1922 picture of the building is located at www.BuffaloBroadcasting.org

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It'll be interesting to see if people will be willing to pay big bucks for an apartment in a building that's next door to an adult theater and adult video store. lol

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kool aid anyone? Raise your hand if you are moving to this sweet location if it opens up as stylish lofts next to a porn shop and a smelting facility.

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He could easily be planning low cost studios and 1bedroom units for college age kids...Buffalo State isn't that far...and similar was planned for the Pierce Arrow Complex.

That age group gets their porn online...so the don't care...probably won't even notice it.

Or Sr Citizens. sisters and Kenmore mercy aren't that far...and close to stores...they would care either.

Families with kids would be the demographic he goes after anyway...and those are the ones that would care.

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It would be a very big deal if this and the Pierce Arrow Complex got redeveloped.

But real estate development for residential and retail s limited...developers must bring blue and white collar jobs back to the city.

BuffaloRising should followup with the Statler when reporting on the Lafayette....and followup with the Pierce Arrow when reporting on this

The one thing people are missing is how redevelopment is following Main St Light Rail and the old Beltway. Few people know that the growth at ECMC is also ... yes ... near the Beltway.

Buffalo is a city of transportation. Of light rail, trolleys, beltways, interurbans, freight rail, lake port, airport and highways. We have far too many highways within downtown core and too few mass transit. 4million baby boomers will retire every year for the next 20years. The old need to be able to live without a car and increasingly so do the young....exactly what Buffalo can offer.

If Buffalo will just get its head out of its arse and put the city back together. Its in all the master plans but the master plans aren't getting executed.

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It's also pretty close to Betty's. That alone should increase the monthly rent by $200 to $300.

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It's actually not.

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I think this development would be more profitable in Hamilton Ontario. Rocco should probably move his operation there.

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they may get their porn on line but they dont typically get the dirtbags that go to the brick and mortar shops too.

also, close to Betty's? seriously?

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Oops! Meant to say Vino's.

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The courtyard looks like it has been webbed over by a giant spider. I wouldn't want to have to rush inside my door to avoid being paralyzed and exsanguinated, but maybe yuppies who enjoy cocooning see things differently, and would be willing to live there. It is exciting to see a possible anchor for the west side of the Belt Line district, connecting Museum Row and the Home Depot-Target district.

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"Exsanguinated" = Buffalo Rising word-of-the-month.

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