Apartments Planned for Historic Swan Street Properties
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Leave a commentThese are a growing trend, I like the concept alot. I've read about others such as http://angrycatfishbicycle.com/ and it makes sense. I am a mountain biker not a road biker but when I take my bike to the shop I usually hang out for at least 20 min just because.
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Why not keep the fire escape (adds character) but turn them into gardens or something cool? Either way, going to look great!
Very exciting!! Just looking for a bit of clarifications, is it going to be 5 apartments or 50? I think I read both in the article
Angry Catfish is an awesome shop. Look up Heritage bike shop as well in Chicago: very cool! Velo Cult in Portland and Road 34 in Fort Collins also serve beer! Put a good IPA and some Rusty Chain on tap and that would really seal the deal for me :)
Beautiful. Can't wait for all these old ladies to be renovated and reused so that developers can start some infill projects for all the surface lots. These buildings are like islands in a sea of asphalt.
Very true for this area of the city. It's all parking.
Everytime a building like this gets redone I'm prouder and prouder of what Buffalo is transforming into within downtown.
Doesn't hurt that my favorite bike shop is moving in there too!
+1
Congrats to Jake Schneider. He is doing great work in this neighborhood. The core of Buffalo is being reborn before our eyes. It's a good time to be a Buffalonian.
And, a great time to become a preservationist.....to help ensure that we don't lose more opportunities like this throughout the city.
I am also a mountain biker and there is nothing better than after a long day on the singletrack in the mountains of ellicottville than a burger and a cold ale at the gin mill or ebc!! Bikes and beer just go naturally together!
No matter what the season is...Roof top patios sell properties or at least guarantee rentals....I love it, being able to sit outside in the fall, summer, spring on a roof top patio over looking the city...place looks amazing...more please....
It looks like a firepit on the patio so you can enjoy the great views in the winter too!
Why wasnt this stuff around before I was old and owned a house????Makes for a great city feeling...Now we just need the city to bustle at more hours .....
you are absolutely right. so many buildings in this city prohibit the tenants from using the roof, for no apparent reason. It's really a shame.
in the eyes of the insurance people gravity is a liability.
it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop.
A relative of mine spent 5 years owning at small condo next to the Himalayan Institute on Delaware and red tape kept the roof top patio from being opened...He passed away and never got to enjoy
Stupendous! This is the kind of creative, adaptive reuse Buffalo needs--Buffalo will need more than residential in its core, if it is to become a real, vibrant city.
Can't wait for some really creative and inspiring infill projects (holds breath).
What beautiful buildings! So glad they are being saved.
The downside is that this area is so out of the way and adrift in an ocean of parking lots that I'm not even sure I ever really noticed these buildings before. The location isn't exactly what I would consider the most hospitable to being a focus of bicycling activities, but then again, renovating these buildings and getting residents into them will eventually improve the prospects for real urban in-fill here.
I wonder if this affects the planned "Bicycle Building" project on Niagara Street. It seems like there's some overlap in programming here (not necessarily a bad thing).
Hopefully some of the parking could be converted to green space. There really isn't any parklike area in that part of downtown.
As Grad says--we don't need more pocket parks, we need density.
I agree completely. My point is that some green space is better that a big parking lot until more development occurs.
Buffalo just keeps getting better and more interesting every day!
Apartments are nice, but how about some condos? There seems to be a significant unmet need for condos in the $150k-$300 range downtown. Most of what I've seen is either low build quality junk or the $500k-$1mm luxury stuff.
Yes! - Thank You!
I know there are a billion ordinance and legal reason for apartments verses condominiums but once you own, traditionally, you do not return to renting (I know, there are exceptions but generally).
head to 2findyourhome.com and search for condos you will be quite surprised at the number of units under $200K
Please please please remove the Buffalo Bills advertisement painted to the side of building. So many people use the Elm Street exit to enter downtown, it acts as a gateway of sorts and a giant billboard asking you to reserve your Bills sideline Club Seats for the 99 Season makes it look like our city is stuck in a time warp.
There have been some amazing things happening downtown but its things like this that looks horrible for visitors, thank god this is getting renovated
Take a look at a satellite map of the area.
What you will see is how much property the Skyway access ramp consumes and in doing so removes the property from tax paying status as well as acting as a barrier between the Canal District and downtown.
Get rid of it.
Swan was also the location of the Art Nuveau Hotel Buffalo. The precurser to the Statler. A huge loss for our city when it was demolished for ... yes... parking lot.
You can mention any number of reasons why Buffalo under-utilizes its roof real estate...but other cities maximize their roof space legitimately and with insurance. If other cities have solved the issue...then its just another area where Buffalo is backward
Great news! More mass downtown equals a healthier core, plus whats not to love about bicycling! Well done and keep up the momentum, buffalo!
Rooftop garden deck? Rooftop, yes. Deck, yes. Garden? I don't see any plants.
someone pinch me so that i know i'm not dreaming. a bike center downtown! thumbs -and- toes up!
oh, and is the "WNY Bicycle Museum" carl burgwardt's bicycle collection from orchard park?
From a Buffalo issues group: "It appears that the collection of the Orchard Park Pedaling History Bicycle Museum will soon be auctioned off. This may be the entire collection as the auction is being split into three parts; Part I is on December 1, 2012.
This link is to the auction site's webpage: http://www.copakeauction.com/bicycles/pages/home.html . The auction house is in Copake, NY, which is South/SSE of Albany.
and how about that building off 190 ramp on Niagara St, I recall that having a bicycle shop,
They recently demolished the carwash building on that site which is part of a brownfield clean-up I believe. Hopefully that's a sign that they're still progressing.
Interesting. I wonder about it whenever I get off the ramp there. But isn't that space where they were talking about that modular container shopping area?
On a side, as soon as someone puts a Tim Horton's somewhere between downtown and the Niagara off-ramp they are going to rake in the bucks. My wife drives all the way to North Buffalo for Tim Ho's because outside of 7-5 during the week there is no Tim Horton's open.
Carl Paladino happened to it.
Sometimes these developers remind me of George Costanza: "When I don't have the money to cover rent I'll 'forget' to sign the check". Or a student submitting a homework assignment via email but 'forgets' to attach the file to buy more time. I've never done that...
I've regularly seen about 3-5 workers at the Graystone. You know, enough to look like something's being done to it.
I agree with that. I noticed the same minimal work going on there. And love it or hate it but you're right about a Tim Ho's on Niagara. If someone tore down that 80's looking vacant Church at Huron and Niagara that would make a great location for the Tim Hortons.
I haven't studied the other options but that's the wrong side of the street. Gotta have it on the west side of Niagara. Right hand turn into the place, right hand turn out of it back on your way to work downtown. Either way, all the commuters coming in to downtown between the Niagara off-ramp and work... rake in the bucks. You would need two drive-thru lanes. Zero other now. M-F, 7-5 would be huge by itself not even considering the weekend and night business. It would be a can't-miss.
Actually maybe that would be a good location, and the only option. There doesn't look like there is any options on the west side of the street because of that (public?) housing. That church is vacant, you say? I'd bet my house that location would kill. Unfortunately it seems a lot more would be necessary:
Whoa.
Still, a Jim Norton's would do pretty well...
Great to see these buildings rehabbed. Perhaps it will lead to create some customer flow for the building at the corner of Swan and Michigan. Two pizza & pasta businesses that have been in that building since it was rehabbed have failed or struggled. Cool old bar in the front space of that building (reported on BR as a pre-prohibition tavern that was tied to Simon Pure). Hopefully a rehab of the little group of buildings on Seneca (behind these on Swan) will follow.
A sensible reuse of a structure with great bones. Better to have a lot of singles like this than waiting for a three run homer.
To think Earl Ketry called Jake "the grinch who stole downtown".
Why/when did he call him that?
when Jake would not let him hang balconies on the Lafayette.
Yay for street trees. These areas near downtown can use a whole lot more! Very cold and sterile environments without. Good news project all around!
As others have mentioned, there needs to be a bit more greenspace around this area, right now there is way too much blacktop and concrete.
This area is a couple of blocks from Canalside, and a short bike ride from the Ohio Street corridor, Outer Harbor, LaSalle Park, etc, etc,. Do we really need greenspace everywhere? What we really need is more buildings, not more grass and trees.
Right behind this is a collection of buildings on Seneca St. The old Major Hooples Restaurant and a pawn shop. Who owns these? They look like perfect candidates for a make over.
EEC needs to put that med school downtown and not Williamsville. Did they ever succeed in changing it to downtown?
They need to get rid of the skyway access ramp and put that land back on the tax roles
And Im guessing that since the entire building including the interior walls is concrete...the entire interior may need to be demolished. If that is the case...then just fess up and say your only going to save the exterior facade...and anything of value in the interior will be salvaged for the rebuild. Nuff Sed...do it and lets move off this charade.
I think that happened along time back when others brought up the graystone.
The ECC Med School downtown is only blocks away and the same goes for the Skyway access ramp.
You cant really have this area be vital if its still piece meal.
Same for Elm-Oak. It will never be vibrant with an Arteriole disguised as a road.
Great place to live if you're a Bisons or Sabres fan. Easy walk to the venues.
Love the project. Question: the trees in the renderings look pretty mature and fluffy. With most projects, the developer puts in spindly twigs that are dead the next year. Is that going to the be case here? Or are they really going to put in 15 year old trees? Or is this rendering supposed to guessimate how the project will look 15 years from now, when the trees are lush and mature?
Considering that most of those trees aren't even on property that is part of the development site I'd guess that it's mostly window dressing. They would actually be better off planting smaller, younger trees. They will suffer less shock and in a few years would be ahead of where a tree that was larger when it was planted would be.
If they dont' plan to put in trees, then they shouldn't be included in the rendering.
If they plan to put in small twigs, then the rendering should reflect that.
Otherwise, they aren't being honest.
Consider the mature trees a type of "Design Porn". It's just a fantasy but it gets everyone excited...
also known as nature bandaids.
Great discussion for me to read. I grew up in EA and in the 1970's and 1980's while my father ran a Mack Truck Dealership on Jefferson and Swan. I remember sitting next to my dad driving in the early winter mornings from my (now i know rural) town and feeling as if we were going to another planet. The discrepancy in setting was unnerving. We did not talk about it much through the years but we both understood that we were lucky/blessed. I was lucky that my dad had not chosen to be adrift. My dad was blessed in having had his choices pay off. One very real image from my childhood was, again, driving with my dad to the bank. It has 3, maybe 4 men at a corner store gathered around each other and it was like a tuesday morning. My dad did not stand around on corners, not with anyone, be it Saturday, Sunday or Tuesday. I had never seen this.
This image remains a picture in my mind because I did not know how to feel. I still don't.
The windows in the high-rise across Jefferson, where now and again an ambulance would come, were broken. Just broken. They were never fixed in all the years we were there as boss's kids or boss's workers. I am glad to hear of a renaissance in that part of our beautiful Buffalo. Great work. I hope it is Shared with those who have been there a long time, like when it was deserted. I will surely visit the neighborhood the next time I am downtown. MH
Very impressed that so many downtown projects are progressing at once.
Great news! The more apartments and living spaces downtown, however, the more need there will be for grocery store. Someone should be getting on that.
how about some condos? i want to buy a place, not pad developers pockets.
I'd just like to suggest something be done to better marry the the front facade with the street level. Having the red bricks start at the second level is kinda awkward looking. Maybe bringing the two corner posts and the two wider interior columns down to grade might improve things.
I think this is a great project, but I have one really significant problem with it. The corner lot should not be enshrined as a parking lot by creating side entrances on the building that open out into the parking lot. Ideally, that corner parcel will be eventually developed as an in-fill building. The Planning Board should not permit a design that relies on or expects that the corner lot will remain open space forever, *especially* not in a downtown location.
Other than that, I love it.
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Wow! Way to go Adam and Becky! This will be a great new space for you and I believe something that Bufalo really needs and truly appreciate.