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Theological Thursday: Fewer believers, greater division

Theological Thursday: Fewer believers, greater division

The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life has announced that, for the first time in the United States, less than half of us identify as Protestants.  The "mainline" has been in decline for some time, but they are not alone;  Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, and Pentecostals all have had their numbers decline sharply.

Roman Catholics have held steady.  A decrease in American-born Catholics has been offset by immigrant Catholics.  The third largest religious group in the US is neither religious nor a group.  They are the "nones," people who may or may not believe, but do not claim any religious affiliation.

Some of attributed this sharp growth in disaffiliation with frustration regarding the politicization of spirituality.  While causation is hard to ascertain, there is clearly a correlation.  Yet while churches have certainly harmed themselves and driven away members by embracing political platforms, powers, and politicians that bear little resemblance to the message that Jesus proclaimed, the problem is deeper than that.  Actually, the growing number of religiously unaffiliated people is a symptom of a problem that affects us all, regardless of our faith (or lack thereof).

In "Coming Apart,"  Charles Murray analyzes the changes among white Americans from 1960 to 2010. (He limits his study to white Americans to demonstrate that the divisions he observes are occurring along class lines, not racial ones.)

Among higher income individuals, there is not a significant decline in religious membership and/or attendance.  Lower income whites, on the other hand, are far less likely to attend religious services, marry, delay gratification, or pursue a higher education.

Murray argues that each of these things are important tools in escaping poverty, but that people in upper income brackets don't "preach what they practice," so private charity and public assistance alike lack the leverage that comes with these values.

While I believe it will take more than these "old-fashioned" American values to affect real change, Murray's analysis does lead to some other conclusions:

First, the decrease in American religiosity is tied to the decline of the American middle class.  Many of the people who are upset about the record lows in non-affiliation supported the policies that created record highs in income inequality.  People in "survival mode" often have little time for church attendance.  It could be that the politicization of the church not only pushed people to disaffiliate  but it also reduced the number of people in the churches "key demographic."

2.       Secondly, even if upper-income church goers "Preaching what they practice," was sufficient to affect social change, it would not matter, because they would be "preaching to the choir."  Income and class segregation has led to the phenomena of people making six-figures and considering themselves "middle class."  Simply put, rich people and poor people interact less than ever.

      Finally, This segregation hurts both communities.  Marriage, education, and yes, even church attendance have been demonstrated to contribute to rising incomes and an increase in happiness.   Likewise, when wealthier people live apart from poor people, they marginalize themselves, and it takes more and more of their resources to support the institutions they love (not only churches, but also symphonies, parks, museums, universities, etc.)  Sometimes, these institutions work harder to appeal to the fewer, wealthier donors, and further alienate themselves from the "customer base." That they will need if they want to expand in a world with fewer and fewer wealthy people.

The first step in reversing this decline in these institutions, both religious and secular, is also the first step in sharing the values that are such an important part of escaping poverty.  Rich people and poor people need to interact and grow friendships.

This simple, yet difficult solution is not impossible.  This interaction was a point of pride in social clubs like the Elks and the Moose.  It once happened naturally in urban areas, and could happen again (depending on the willingness of people like me to get out of our cars and get to know our neighbors).  Communities and architecture can be designed to re-introduce populations that have started to live in separate worlds.

[Stop reading here to avoid a shameless plug.]

That's what I love about Lafayette Church, the community I serve.  I've seen people who would otherwise never cross paths become friends.  Often, one of our mentally ill and living on government assistance members gets a ride home from a retired, middle-class, Republican school teacher.

The Church's logo features a lamppost, and lampposts are what we need today.  Public, safe places, where people who may not intrinsically trust one another can meet to grow relationships and trust.  Even though a church is a great place for this to start, it certainly doesn't have to happen there.  Feel free to plug your own "lamppost" in the comments.  In a world paralyzed because it is polarized, we need them more than ever.


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In a family where one partner does not work, I think the family is more apt to go to church. In the past, this was mom, getting everyone ready for church, and pushing the family out the door.

With mom now working, she doesn't need the personal interaction, and looks to Sunday as time to relax.

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"In a family where one partner does not work, I think the family is more apt to go to church."

What data do you base that statement on? Do you have a source, or is it just your "gut feeling"?

I fail to see how a household in which only one person is employed outside the home would be more inclined to attend church services. Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

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Completely anecdotal. Criticize at will.

However, I've attended the same Protestant church since 1972 (same as the graph above). Enrollment in that church might be 25 percent now of what it was in '72.

There are basically no new members. The same people attend now as did in 1972. All of my parent's friends were from the church. The 'dinner club' and other activities revolved around the church. Dad probably didn't really need to go, neither did the kids, but mom pushed us out the door.

Fast forward 40 years. My wife's friends are all from her work. She doesn't need the social aspect of church.

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First, the decrease in American religiosity is tied to the decline of the American middle class. Many of the people who are upset about the record lows in non-affiliation supported the policies that created record highs in income inequality. People in "survival mode" often have little time for church attendance.

Drew, you have to acknowledge that the concept of a personal god is fading. However, since 46% of the US population supposedly still believes that the world is only 9,000 years old, organized religion will be around for quite a while.

If you want to tie religiosity to economic indicators, though, how do you explain religion's popularity in low-income countries?

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@PaulBuffalo I would acknowledge that belief in a "personal God" is fading, although the study shows that many of the "nones" still believe in something, they simply don't want to belong to a community of faith.

The phrase "personal God" is part of the problem. Evangelicalism, in emphasizing the need for a personal choice (something I affirm) overplayed its hand and made religion a matter between an individual and God. This plays into the American myth of "rugged individualism," but allows people to make their own faith, apart from any responsibility to a greater community.

I would explain the popularity of religion in low-income countries based on three ideas:

1. They have religions (even Christian religions) that are distinct from American Christianity, and it is American Christianity in particular that is so linked to class.

2. Most of these societies are more communal to start.

3. It could be a factor of the inequality, rather than simply rich vs. poor (although I haven't the knowledge to back up this claim.

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You can't force people to believe in religion though. I'm an atheist... obviously I'm never going to go to church. Does that make me a detriment to the community because I'm not interacting with other people? I'd hardly say that, because I'm still a good person. I just don't believe in any god.

I'm really confused why this even posted on Buffalo Rising...

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"Theological Thursdays" is on Buffalo Rising because it gives us some important perspectives that we wouldn't get from reading articles about largely secular topics. Rev. Drew does quite an amazing job at that.

I've been hearing and seeing a lot of coverage of these statistics, but got some important ideas from Rev. Drew here about how these statistics relate to the class and geographical divisions in America, the local versions of which have such a great impact on conditions in Buffalo.

More than anything, this suggests to me that one Big Idea mainline religions could embrace if they hope to reverse these trends is urbanism -- returning to the places where people of all incomes and all walks of life mix. The places they largely left behind in postwar America. One example locally is Hamburg Wesleyan Church, with its backing of Westside Ministries in Buffalo.

As to atheists attending church, I don't think anyone anticipates a big movement of that happening ;-) But I would note that in an hour segment on this issue on NPR today, an atheist called in saying he attends the Unitarian Church (which is noted for embracing people of any/no faith) -- largely because he enjoys being part of that particular community and especially its social ministries.

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Religious affiliation is shrinking because in most parts of the country (and even most parts of Buffalo) it has become safe to state openly that god is nothing more than a comforting myth. The trend will accelerate in coming years, as it has in the rest of the developed world.

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And huzzah for that. It's nice to see the "none" column increasing steadily. There is hope for humanity yet.

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This doesn't quite make sense and there are too many variables here. I can see how lower income people in the US may not attend church because chances are they're working 7 days a week and they don't have the luxury or a M-F 9-5 job. However I bet those people will still fill out a survey and check off what brand of Christianity they are. I think what is happening (Despite the what people who romanticize the past say) is that people are getting smarter, more people are going to college,there's more information, it's easier to find people in the similar peer group, people don't trust churches, people are less afraid to be a non believer,and people are either spiritual amongst them self or they don't believe that faith is needed in order to be excellent to each other.

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Rev. Drew: if they haven't already, I have to imagine that popular religious publications like Christianity Today will be putting together an issue devoted to these new numbers. It seems to me that an expanded version of your post here would be the kind of essay they might publish as part of such an issue, and would get people thinking.

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Although I am a conservative Christian, I am not a Christian conservative. I firmly believe that the Christian church in America would be a lot better off if pastors on both sides of the aisle would stop preaching politics from the pulpit, and start preaching Jesus Christ crucified for sinners. People today are bombarded with political loudmouths (Rush Limbaugh, Chris Matthews etc.) all the time. Even the entertainers (Stewart, Colbert, Maher, Letterman) are very political nowadays. Most college students, such as myself, are so fed up with politics that hearing it droned from the pulpit. In my opinion, that's why so many young people are among the "nones." Preachers can be politically conservative. They can be politically liberal. But not in the pulpit, and preferably not out holding up signs depicting aborted fetuses in front of the Supreme Court. It's that kind of activity that's driving people, especially young people, away from the church rather than to it. If pastors were to preach nothing but Christ and Him Crucified for sinners, the church would be a whole lot better off.

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Don't necessarily disagree with you. Yet churches were at the forefront of most of America's most important social issues -- and thank God (so to speak) that they were. And I'm sure in each case, at the time there were lots of voices raised taking them to task for being too political.

Not sure where I'm going with that, but that's what ended up in the comment window, so I'll just click Submit...

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I think most of you have it wrong but I respect the sincerity behind your explanations.

Those who have studied the data point to a number of societal factors:
-for catholics Vatican II represented a huge shift away from traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. For many it was to big a shift.
-liberalism promoted by big government LBJ destroyed family values through government. There was the marriage penalty where seniors refused marriage because it would affect their government benefits. Fathers were a liability to welfare because it meant an immediate garnishment of wages for child support. So the poor got more money by declaring father unknown...and fathers avoided the trap of child support. In other words they learned how to play the government rules to maximum benefit. The government replaced the church as provider of social benefit.
-liberal multi-culturalism taught all societies and all cultures and all religions were relative. Afrian or polynesian drums were of equal musical quality to Brahms and Beethoven. To believe in your religion meant you were closed minded.
-then of course came the jewish bohemians of the 50s and 60s who gave us radical individualism of open marriages, wife swapping, hippies, drugs, porn, birth control, abortion, feminism and all the other selfish and self indulgences that are the enemy of self sacrifice for family, religion and community.

The true statistics show that those who believe in god havent changed. Its just the self centeredness of people today dont want to be told how to believe.

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Afrian or polynesian drums were of equal musical quality to Brahms and Beethoven.

Couldn't agree more, ChristieLou. I used to think that science had something to do with religion's downfall until I realized Polynesian drums were the major cause. Hippies bear responsibility, too -- they ruined everything, didn't they -- but those Polynesian drums just wreaked havoc on society.

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it's those jungle grooves, they've been known to derail trains, make birds fly backwards, melt glaciers, all while destroying the social fabric.
if Beethoven had just a pinch of funk in his writing maybe the world would be a better place.

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I never knew that bohemian Jews gave us porn. And wife swapping and drugs. And birth control. Those damned bohemian Jews! Why'd they inflict birth control on us, anyway, huh?! Damned non Christians!

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Drew, I'm quite familiar with the Murray book and I think you nailed one of the key factors that caused the decline. I think another factor is greater distrust of institutions and traditions by Gen Y. The study you cite also shows that 30% of those under 30 are "nones." This generation has let go of several of their parents' values such as home ownership, car ownership, even getting a driver's license. They are much more pragmatic in some ways than their parents. The need for community is more likely to be met in unconventional or even virtual settings.

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Drew, don't the Pew findings disagree with your 'First,'?
"First, the decrease in American religiosity is tied to the decline of the American middle class. Many of the people who are upset about the record lows in non-affiliation supported the policies..."

Their table showing incomes (half way down the page linked at beginning of your article, just past the Who Are the Unaffiliated? heading) says for those with income over $75k the rate of non-affiliation grew from 2007-2012 by the exact same 5% as it did for people with income $30k to $75k.
Not only is the growth-in-unaffiliated rate identical for high and mid income, but the percents themselves are almost the same for both income groups, 16% grew to 21%, and 15% grew to 20%.
Then for for incomes below $30k, non-affiliation grew by even less at 3% with 17% growing to 20%.

Am I missing another basis in the survey for your interpretation?
Or maybe are you projecting your feelings about income distribution into your interpretation even if Pew's numbers don't show it as a factor?

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The short answer, whatever, is that it does look like I have done a little bit of projection. I depended more on Murray's analysis than the Pew numbers.

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I don't know Paulsobo but I really believe in what he has to say right here. Extremely clear, honest and true observations.

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uh, oh. don't read his comment below . . .

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...the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

it's really difficult for a thinking person to sign on to something like this.
which might be why there's less and less people participating in religion.

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buffloonitick, well your statement pretty much speaks for itself as both a nonbeliever of both judaism and christianity.

Do you see how there are some who are so fearful that thy choose to fight with ridicule

Let me address the politically incorrect truths:
-Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Pollard...the list is very long of jewish spies...enemies of the US.
-the bolshevik revolution in Russia was 60 jewish and the majority of Soviet government was jewish
-the ukranians and other eastern europeans have documents showing that it was the jews that implemented the massive starvation of eastern europeans to collectivize Soviet Farms.
-Joe McCarthy in the 1950s was abolutely corect that the majority of communist infiltration into the US came through the jewish community. The majority of jews are leftists though in america they are called liberals.
-its no secret that the majority ownership of entertainment and news media is jewish. The anti-american and anti-family and anti-christian programming comes out of the jewish community.
-even Eisenhower through richard nixon via the FBI and the CIA documented that we were fighting communists at the same time jews were shifting to an individualistic nihilistic self centered sex centered popular movement.
-a jewish rabbi pedophile in new jersey got 1 paragraph on page 10 but a catholic priest got a long article on page 1. Thats your anti-christian war by a jewish owned newspaper.
-yes...the beatnik and the hippie movement came out of the jewish bohemian movement.

You see there are jews by religion and there are jews by race. There are many who hate non-jews but that never gets reported so they wage a cloaked war. Multiculturalism is their war against nationalism and tribalism so the jews are the most powerful tribe. Diversity and affirmative action are great but there is no discussion of reverse descrimination or of putting jewish race on a job application or college application even though 65% of caucasions going to IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS are jewish. Thats pretty good for the 1% of our population that they represent.

Unions...most union heads are jewish. Take a look at the union heads of the UAW and the TEACHERS UNION. Its the same kind of oligarchy of power the jewish set up in Russia contolling Russias natural resources.

Go back in history and you will find behind alot of jewish money is exploitation of liquor, drugs, sex, pornography and Maddoff like SCAMs. The Rothchilds got their money by renigging on the investments of the German Emporer. The Nazi's published evidence of jewish brothels from europe all the way to Shanghai.

Even Ben Franklin, our founding father, more than 200 years ago said gave this warning. Jews are exploiters. they engage in war against the tolerant and open society profiting from their vices until the society decays into individualism, bankruptcy and self destruction...at which point they move on. In other words jews take a tolerant society that comes from community and they move into the elites and media, the change and exploit the society against its conformity and community to facture it. A fractured society no longer has a threat that can fight them. The jews are in full control until they lose control.

If your christian then now the reason you are hated comes because jews consider you and your religion a threat.

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I hope BRO doesn't delete your latest comments. It's been so long since readers have had the pleasure to read one of your rants.

Is this a prelude to your anti-Merry Christmas campaign that you started last year on BRO?

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sure . . . where's Mr. Ricchiazzi now? 'brilliant', indeed . . .

I, too, hope BR doesn't delete the flaming rant. It reveals plenty about the speaker.

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only 73 more days until Xmas. still time to get his war on.

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you left out the Jews controlling the slave trade. you're slipping...

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the "franklin prophecy" is a hoax:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Franklin_Prophecy

pornography, or at least explicit depictions of sexual acts, are found in all cultures. greeks were decorating vases with copulating couples while jews were still slaves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_erotic_depictions

actually, christy-lou-paulsobo, you'd make a superb orthodox jew. jewish law explicitly prohibits prostitution and a whole bunch of other stuff that you disapprove of.

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You are correct sexual depiction is common to all cultures throughout time. However, to be fair I would hope you would recognize the difference between the depiction of sex and sexual exploitation, sexual depravity for the purposes of entertainment and the use of both to debase a culture particularly in sex as anything but an expression of love.

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The reason church membership is declining is because people no longer believe that priests have the answers to life. Personally, I'm happy about that. I don't think they do, either.

I have an unconventional perspective. I think this is literally heaven. But the only way to experience and appreciate the splendor of this incarnation, splendor of which we are ordinarily ignorant, is to achieve enlightenment. And that is an individual quest, not a group exercise. Rote answers and rituals, of the type on offer from most established religions, are useless, imo.

Now in better neighborhoods, among congregations of the middle and upper classes especially, there tends to be a very strong 'do good unto others' culture, a reaching out to the poor and downtrodden as a concrete exercise in compassion. And that's fine and dandy. It's very nice. Nothing wrong with it. In and of itself it won't bring you to Awakening, but it's good.

That 'do good' culture doesn't answer life's questions, however. You can bring people together and make the world a better place, but until you give people something to truly believe in with regard to explaining the mystery of life, and until and unless you flesh out the meaning and pathway to personal spiritual reward, then churches will never again recapture their former influence on society. I think they're headed for marginalization, myself. Which I like. To me, religiously speaking, this is a very exciting era in which to live. I am very happy to see the old false prophets crumbling.

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priests were the middleman or the broker if you will. people have learned to cut out the middleman to get a better deal...

the intent of ritual though, be it repetitive incantation, singing/playing certain chords or intervals, is to raise energy or stimulate chakras, which is to aid in an awakening of awareness, etc.

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