SoHo Burger Bar: A Year in Review
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Leave a commentAs I mentioned in another thread, I really hope the handful of clubs that are petitioning the Common Council today do not get their way and reverse the law that ended under 21 patrons in their establishments. It's a large part of why Chippewa can't grow into a more mature entertainment district.
Unfortunately many 18-20 year olds can't handle themselves when they go out and party. They're tailgating in the surrounding neighborhoods and causing some serious problems. For the record, I'm not against any respectful Chip Strip patron parking in my 'hood and heading over to the bars. However many simply don't respect that we are a residential neighborhood, especially at 4am on a friday morning after the Thursday "college" night.
The difference between Chippewa and Allen or Elmwood is the large concentration of high-occupancy clubs that appeal to a large amount of much younger party goers. If it were one or two places it might not matter but when you have over a dozen clubs that hold upwards of a few hundred people each that exponentially causes more issues.
If these clubs are relying on minors to generate their profits they might want to reconsider their business model. Afterall they are bars, not teen centers. Less these clubs forget that people like myself in their early 30's have more disposable income and would like a nice place to go without the drama of teenagers fighting and causing trouble. At least SoHo seems to understand that.
Uh...18-20 year olds are not minors. They have every right to spend their money how they wish. Just because you do not like the environment does not mean this age bracket's preferences for entertainment should be ignored. If you don't like those clubs then don't go. You have plenty of other options around the city that would suit your preferences. Maybe Chippewa wont be the place for them, but that does not mean they should not have a place at all.
OK, if you want to get into semantics then you're right, they're not minors in regard to voting and lottery. But they are too young to legally drink alcohol, which they do in their cars just outside the Chip district. It's not about where I want to go, it's about the collateral damage of such a large amount of under-aged party goers not respecting their environment.
I'm not opposed to bars in theory letting under aged people in, such as concert venues or restaurants. The issue is there are a lot of clubs on Chippewa, and they all have a high capacity and cater specifically to the under-aged crowd. That amount of drunk inexperienced immature people leads to problems. If you think they're only drinking red bulls and dancing then you are very naive. If you don't believe me I invite you to hang out in front of my house on a weekend night and observe.
I do realize that it's not solely under-aged people causing the problems but given this particular situation and my and my neighbors observations they are a good place to start with curtailing the problems.
Honestly, we've probably all been in their situation and caused mischief at some point of our lives. But as I have lived here in the last 5 years and witnessed the drastic change in the club/bar scene it has exponentially gotten worse. I'm only 31 and I'm not done with the bar scene but Chippewa and the mass amount of younger party-goers is getting out of hand. I think there's a compromise to be had that would benefit all parties involved (no pun intended).
I think it would behoove the club owners to cater to the 'of age" crowd, especially my demographic who has the disposable income to spend on a nicer place with no drama. Even so, what is the long term gain of catering to under-aged patrons who carry more liability?
Some thoughts....
I have had some pretty tasty meals at soho, I like the transition they have made.
Have we been talking about Chippewa growing up for about the last 15 years
A sports bar called 'The Lodge' good grief where do some of these operators come up with names of thier places
all for improvements but trees, trash cans and planters have been consistently trashed in the past, what will be different
How is that 2AM closing time idea coming along
4Play made a big step installing a real sign, that must mean they will be aroung for atleast 6 more months
Indulge,...enough said
Bacchus and Spot Rock!!!
......see the name Liberty Hound.
That name's not bad if you know the history/meaning behind it. The Lodge is certainly much better than 4 Play, Sinful, Bada Bing, Bambino, etc. Though those last two are not bad places and have good food.
You're still crying about the Liberty Hound? Does it make you frowny when you don't understand something? Nice to see you back, though. How's the math coming along? Conjure up a response yet to why Liberty Hound is a bad name?
I have never been disappointed with Soho's food and I've been there six times since the switchover. And in all my times there Jay has been a great presence.
Learn your American naval history my friend.
Are you done making yourselves look like fools? I've been reading articles daily on this website for about three years now. Do you really think I missed the write up about the naming competition? Come on now, lets not be nieve. Also, I'm probably the only one in this little comment string who's spent an extended period of time on a Naval vessle, or let alone taken liberty from a naval vessle. So, from personal experience I can tell you that no one uses the phrase "Liberty Hound" anymore. And if it was used 50-100 years ago, big deal, it's still a stupid name.
Louise, don't get your pantys in a bunch.
Ok, troll. Lemme know when you need me to tutor you for your 5th grade math class.
And english class, too, I would presume as I've seen you spell 'naive' wrong at least a dozen times. I say at least a dozen times because it seems to be your favorite insult to throw at people you deem inferior to yourself. But you're a big shot online; your parents must be proud.
....ouch is right.
....Louis-10 buch-alang-andcoming-0.
...."nieve" lol!
SoHo is an excellent place, and Jay Manno is one of the classiest guys in the business! I wish them big big luck and success!
Where's Chef Martin Danilowicz working now? Loved the food at Duo!
My guess is that they are following the business model of the lodge in tampa: http://www.lodgetampa.com/ This is a very popular place that would be a different theme for buffalo.
We will have to see if they can pull it off...but i'll take it over a huge "club" like bayou. Its a step in the right direction.
I was here last night for the Monday night football game last night, they had some really good specials for the game including 12 wings for 5$. The food was great as was the overall appearance of the place, good work Soho
They had the best restaurant week deal, hands down. 2 burgers, 2 drinks (including alcoholic), a shared side (which is plenty large), and a desert... the bill came to 23 and change.
Chippewa Street = a number of bars which make their money selling booze. That's all - no entertainment, no benefit to anyone. It's dead during the day, and dangerous at night. "Entertainment" does not equate to "Bars", which have always been and will ever BE parasitic sinkholes . Drinking is a waste of money, time, and brains.
Really? Thanks for the morality lecture, Aunt Mary.
That's right chief. Us decent people aren't entertained by bars so nobody else ought to be either. That's realism.
Louis, Louis, he's our man, if he can't do it nobody can!!!
Greenjeans viewpoint looks partially similar to that of the group against legalizing any gambling casino (regardless of Native American or non-Native owned) in Erie County, but with a big difference.
G.J. didn't write that bars shouldn't be allowed here. He criticizes making a choice of going to them. The anti-casino org carries moralizing much farther by not only criticizing activity, but also advocating that it shouldn't be a legal choice for people to do in Buffalo or Erie Co.
On the Chippewa 18-20 topic, in the reporting the last few days I haven't noticed any mention of whether or not the problems (like brownteeth describes) had been worse on Thursday nights during the experiment period. The whole focus seems to be about the bar owners not requesting an extension in time. Was anything around there worse on Thursdays, the only night 18-20's recently were allowed into Chippewa bars?
Great move bailing out our friend. Greanjeans' comment on its own looks very preachy and smug. But by comparing it to a propped up unpopular segment of a greater argument against casinos, it doesn't look nearly as paternal. With that strategy we can make all of team real's arguments look good simply by hunting down a worse argument to compare them with.
w/ket>"Great move bailing out our friend. Greanjeans' …"
Hmmm, an even partial compliment is a bailout now? Wow.
G.J.'s moralizing speaks for itself, just like some others hunting for drama on here speaks for itself too. -shrug-
w/ket>"by comparing it to a propped up unpopular segment of a greater argument against casinos, it dow/ket>esn't look nearly as paternal."
I agree with you (bailing you out? lol) that what some anti-any-casino-here folks have propped up in the past has been unpopular.
As a positive instead of only criticizing, G.J.'s comment can be a good example for anti-casino segments to consider for reforming their activism to be less bossy.
Perhaps they might decide future lawn signs can say something like 'We won't go to casinos in Erie County' instead of the infamous orange finger waving We Said No Casino In Erie County.
Not sure what we're arguing about. Just patting you on the back for fabricating an argument to knock those activists down a peg. -shrug- -head scratch- -yawn-
I didn't think we were arguing much this time... it's just that your wording about 'bailing out' looked confusing, as does your use of 'fabricating' this time.
But otherwise your reply seemed to praise my first point, and then I found agreement with some of your reply. So much agreement!
Maybe a teachable moment for the activists if they read this and are open minded.
Yeah it was worse, ask any of my neighbors, Chief Patterson of B-district, etc.
bt, okay... I just thought that should be the focus (ether way), rather than what media and quoted Council members seemed to be focusing on.
Seems strange Pridgen was who first advocated a Thursday 'experiment', but now that it's happened seems to be saying it's a process issue instead of anything about what the results were so far. Maybe he's distracted lately by his cat licensing brainstorm.
I wonder if there's one of the crime cameras near your block. If so maybe they could look at that and compare say the 1-4am periods for early Friday mornings with and without the 18-20's being allowed. It's a complicated issue since if it shifts to more house parties in Univ Heights, etc, that causes problems elsewhere. Then again, a lot of those would happen regardless anyway, and on nights other than Thurs.
i propose a toast that drinking is a waste of time, money and brains.
They will all be wasted by one thing or another. Drinking is a thoroughly enjoyable way to waste them.
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It is a dang good burger. I was caught off gaurd the first time it tried it. I now make regular stops.