Significant 1865 home for sale in historic park
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Leave a commentFascinating history. Where was the Buffalo Classical School located specifically? Is that "cottage on Rumsey" still standing?
Gotta love Buffalo and it's low prices...this is incredible.
I tell you what, 289 isn't a bad price. I was expecting it to be more around 350.
Amazing back story....This story in itself should bring money and needed renovations to the park, streetscape and surrounding area...The park is nice but has seen better days...Elmwood in this area is a little rough and alot of concrete....
i kind of doubt that cleveland lived there. it doesn't show up here, which gives his buffalo addresses, a series of rooming houses.
http://www.buffaloah.com/h/cleve/chron/index.html
do you have conflicting evidence?
This street isn't far from me...and I didn't know anything about it. Nice informative post. Thanks.
Johnson Park is among the city's best and contains a remarkable collection of high end brick homes. I can remember when this area and neighboring Whitney Place became one of the first areas to attract interest and investment back in the 1970's. Those urban pioneers recognized the quality and variety of architecture that makes this area special. Their vision did much to stabilize this once distressed area.
Though Johnson Park has much to be recognized for it is not accurate to claim it is "the oldest residential neighborhood in Buffalo" Lower Black Rock centered around Amherst and East Street has been documented to include the largest concentratin of homes constructed prior to 1850. The area contains two Federal Style homes dating to 1830 as well as examples of the Greek Revival dating to the 1840's and 1850's. There are also numerous workers cottages and timber frame structures of early origin.
Also the claim that "Johnson Park is the first park in the city of Buffalo" could be challenged. The Market Square Park at Amherst Street and Niagara Street dates to 1830 as does Porter Square at the International Railroad Bridge. Though Black Rock was a separate village until 1853-54 the Market Square today is the oldest park in the City of Buffalo.
Actually the same website refers to Grover Cleveland living there:
Yeah, supe, as grad says that link makes it sound iffy.
Actually that link was changed after my post -
According to City records, this was purchased in February, 2012 for $29,000. That's a serious capital gain.
Does it look like it was in a $29,000 condition? My Partner and I spent an amazing amount of monies to restore this great home, we think it was worth it, come check out what it took to bring it back! Just look at the Photo Gallery and see it today.
Also see, in the photos of George Cleveland at the home, Grover's Grandson who after telling us his Grandfather roomed there while at the prep school, we believed it.
Great job on the renovation and I love how the kitchen turned out!
just because you can google it doesn't make it true.
"after telling us his Grandfather roomed there while at the prep school, we believed it."
timatbuff - claiming he lived in a 1865-built house while in school looks inconsistent with the timeline of Cleveland's bio. He became a layer in 1859 according to many sources including the one grad linked at buffaloh.
Years of his studies were 1855 to 59, according to this.
A part of the article that looks wrong regarding Cleveland is it saying he lived in that house while taking "law classes" at UB.
When he said Cleveland lived there while in school, did the grandson realize the house wasn't built until 1865?
Another thing is UB's law school wasn't founded until 1880s. Maybe Cleveland was self taught.
On the other hand, if he did live in some different boarding houses after becoming a lawyer, as grad's link says he did, maybe it's possible this was one even though not among those listed on that GC buffaloh page.
I agree with the 1856 date more than the 1865 date
as upton sinclair said, "it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
or in this case, the return on his investment depends on his not understanding it.
sellers should be aware that they can be sued for misrepresenting a property. i know a trustworthy and reputable real estate agent in buffalo who is being sued by a buyer because the agent misrepresented the property as being by a prominent local architect. it was an honest mistake; the agent just repeated what an earlier agent had written about the building when it had been for sale years before. but the new owner discovered that the building could not be attributed to this architect and is suing the agent.
I'd be surprised if that house wasn't built until 1865. Most others on the block were built in the 1850s.
FWIW (maybe not much!), the property info lookup page on city website says (I think under its 'Improvements' link) that #51 was first built in 1877.
And about #55 next door to it, says 1845.
I've been in 55, and know something of the history of it and its neighbor (I've owned 61 for 22 years).
55 and 51 are both interesting in their basements, in that both were expanded width-wise by about 1/3, or so I am led to believe. If you go into the basement of 55, you can see the original foundation wall (on the eastern side of the property) was about six feet in. Later it was expanded, and that new brick wall wasn't as well supported. As a consequence, the floors above head downhill toward that relocated wall.
The owner of 55 (from whom I bought 61 back in 1990) told me a number of times that his property and 51 were both built at the same time and expanded at the same time, and were identical homes back in the day, save for those columns added to 51.
Given that the city dates #55 to 1845, I wonder if they don't both date from then. 1877 might be the year that #51 was expanded (the city often even today assigns as the year built whatever year a major overhaul of a property takes place).
I would put that house well before 1860, and perhaps before 1850. That is NOT an 1865 or 1866 style of building, period. (Or not a house of that period, period. hah) The Greek Revival fad of the 1840s looks reasonable, here. Cleveland's occupancy not so much, though.
the city also just assigns a year ending in zero as their best guess.
So YOU'RE the one who owns 61...
What an absolutely wonderful property... I'm on your block frequently and see that you've been getting things done there. I'll introduce myself the next time I'm passing by and see you outside, there are a couple of things I'd like to pick your brains about.
fwiw: The story about Cleveland living there I have heard since I bought on the street in 1990. The multiple people who believe/propagate it include those who owned on the block back in 1976 (ish) when they got the area incorporated into a historic preservation district. That anecdote about Cleveland living there was part of the history, I believe, researched by those behind the historic designation. Some of those folks still live on the block and could provide more information.
The original construction date, we thought was 1847, but was told by a local historian of the later date so we went with it.
As far as Grover's, living there, we were also told and directed to this site to confirm, when Grover's grandson called and asked to see one of his grandfathers residences, we took it for granted he had more info than we and didn't argue, we'd like to see it confirmed, as no one has a total record of his stays in Buffalo, we can only hope his grandson knows something we don't.
On another note, a Grand home for anyone who is looking for an owners unit and in-law apartment, or just a Beautiful 4 Bedroom.
Again, Thanks to Newell for such a Complimentary Artical!
Beautiful rehab Tim, I am in Charlotte NC but would love to talk about rehabbing in Buffalo. I do it as my business here but always have a soft spot for my hometown. How do I get your email?
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What a place! Love it! Nice updates from what I can tell as well. Thanks for sharing the images and the history.