City October 7, 2012 12:45 AM

Don't Believe What People Tell You About Your City

Don’t Believe What People Tell You About Your City
When I listen to folks in cities below the first tier talk, I so often hear some variation of a story about people from out of town and exclaim about how great the place is saying, "I had no idea your city was this cool or had all this stuff." Or we hear about the person who moved there from New York, fell in love, and is now the city's biggest champion.

I think all of these should be taken with a grain of salt. 

First, how often do you visit someone's house and then make a disparaging comment about it to their face? My guess: never. Whenever we make a visit to someone's home, we always draw conclusions about it, some good, some bad. And we'll probably chat about it candidly with our friends later. But it's unlikely we'll say anything that's not exquisitely polite to the person we visited. That's not how it works. That doesn't mean we tell them something that's not true, but rather we choose to accentuate the positive while not commenting on the negative. It's a little more subtle lie, as it were.

Also, people visiting from out of town frequently end up in a highly manicured environment such as a downtown Green Zone surrounding the convention center or some such. This might indeed be very nice, but it's likely also very unrepresentative of your city. (This sometimes works in a negative way, as with my first experience in Dallas). 

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Likewise, the people who moved to your city from LA and fell in love are likely not representative. By definition that doesn't include the people who moved there from somewhere else, hated it, then left. Or those who decided against moving there in the first place after paying it a visit. Or those who grew up there but got the hell out as fast as they could.

I think we all tend to glom on to the positives, and while we should certainly be encouraged by good reports, and use them to our city's marketing advantage, I get the sense that a lot of places actually internalize this as reality. Thus they conclude that their problem isn't with their product, but merely that the marketing hasn't gotten the message out. If only everyone out there saw how great it was (as evidenced by those visitors and transplants), all would be well, and people and investment would flow in.

I'm all in favor of better marketing, but this is naive. 

One of the most difficult to obtain but immensely useful things in life is honest feedback about what people around us actually think, particularly from those who are generally inclined positively towards us, but aren't by default going to tell us our problem areas. Lake Wobegone isn't the only place where grade inflation is out of control. As a general rule, I strongly suggest applying some level of discount to excessively positive feedback received about your town.

Aaron M. Renn is a urban policy analyst and consultant based in New York City. His writings appear at his blog, The Urbanophile, and in other publications.
 
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Why the irrelevant photos of downtown Buffalo.

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Considering this is one of the most irrelevant articles written for BRO, I'd say it'a appropriate. This guy Renn sounds like a first class twit -- He feels the need to remind us unsophisticated rubes that our cities just will never be as good as NYC, and anyone who says differently is just being polite at best. And at worst, of course, just stupid.

Don't worry, Mr. Renn, you don't have to worry about stupid people from Buffalo breathing the same air as you! You are over 400 miles away. Please stay there so that we don't have to worry about laughing appropriately at the little people.

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Irelevant or not, the first pic is pure awesomeness!

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...Which completely explains why the media is so full of accolades for Detroit's downtown lightlife, the awards Philly has won for their complete absence of crime, and all the wonderful food reviews London gets for its cuisine. Just the other day, I was reading the highest praise in somebody's blog about how easy it is to drive around Los Angeles...

We live in the 21st century. People are hard pressed for decent table manners, much less the pleasantries of paying an unwarranted comment to spare a stranger's feelings. Being based in NYC, Mr Renn should be familiar with the stereotype that all New Yorkers are rude jerks. Anyone who's ever been to a Parisian cafe or the Walmart by the Galleria knows rudeness is alive and well outside of the boroughs.

Personally, I would refute everything in this article. There is an old adage that it takes a million good deeds to earn a positive reputation, but only one misstep to ruin it forever.

It took a single joke from Johnny Carson 35 years ago to make the world think it snows in Buffalo 24/7. A string of super bowl losses from two decades ago gave us a reputation as a down-on-our-luck bunch of losers.

But the recent efforts to renew our city (even the ones that have failed) have produced enough buzz and enough positive recognition that we are finally beginning to turn that tide. People don't write travel articles about a single success like the Martin House or Central Terminal. They write about ongoing energy and the wealth of things to see and do in Buffalo.

A 'polite' visitor would single out something banal like 'nice parks' or 'decent food', not go on and on about the dozen wonderful places they saw and how much they want to come back for more.

If there's anything we should take with a grain of salt, it's the fact that Buffalo has such a low reputation that people would be shocked to have even a mildly unpleasant visit. That we regularly surpass people's expectations and truly earn our compliments is a feather in our cap.

I had a negative experience in Dallas, too. What made it so absurd was how full of it the locals were, claiming that they lived in the greatest city on Earth and I must have been delusional for thinking otherwise. Buffalo is exactly the opposite, we can barely take a compliment without pointing out something negative. And when somebody does point out room for improvement, we jump on the self-loathing bandwagon rather than take the criticism constructively.

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In Mr Renn's defense, I looked up his blog AFTER I wrote my response to his article. This post is not at all directed at Buffalo (I have no idea how it ended up on BRO). Judging from other's comments on his blog, it also stirred up some emotions in RI and Cleveland.

In fact, many of his other posts that do mention Buffalo are quite positive.

That still doesn't change the fact that he comes across as a twit by beginning the article with a comment about "cities below the first tier".

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So mr. Renn, as a perfect example of an unbiased third party, someone whose job is to speak honestly and objectively, couldn't you have maybe included some of your thoughts about buffalo, rather than the drawn out "don't get your hopes up" that we ended up with?

Don't be afraid, we can take it!

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While I appreciate Mr Renn's admonition to not be naive, I also want to caution him to avoid unneccessary cynicism. I have lived in Buffalo for 10 years now and I am a huge Buffalo booster. I am from the LA area (I know that nearly includes Phoenix). I took a job here, married a Buffalo girl, and now part of my job is to recruit others to the area, which I can do it with genuine excitment, especially lately. My SoCal family also loves Buffalo and visits frequently, so much so that my younger sister moved here to attend Buff State.

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I recently migrated back to Buffalo after decades away. I feel the positive change in the air and revel at being part of that. However I find that the biggest naysayers are most often Buffalonians themselves. Whenever I tell people I have just moved back I get, "Oh my god why would you move to Buffalo?!" It makes me crazy. Can you imagine hearing that exclamation from a New Yorker or a Bostonian? Probably not. If we are going run a promotional campaign for Buffalo, lets run it here and get our own citizens to snap out of the negative opinion they have of their own home. We live in a great city on the verge of being amazing. If only we knew it. : D

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travelman,

I couldn't agree with you more. I am not a native Buffalonian, but love this city more than I could have ever imagined loving my hometown of Seattle.

I once thought it was my goal to convince outsiders to believe in Buffalo, but I quickly learned that there was far more work to do in my own backyard. I find it easy to show and convince visitors of Buffalo's charms, but if you try to convince someone who lives beyond the first ring of suburbs that Buffalo is a uniquely marvelous place to live and work and, more often than not, you will quickly find yourself in a ferocious debate.

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This is so true. I love Buffalo. I grew up in the suburbs, and was so happy when I finally moved into an apartment in the city. But then I talk to my friends (mostly people from the far suburbs, mind you) and hear them complain so much about wanting to leave and wondering why I love Buffalo so much. I know it's important for us to not ignore the facts that yes, our city is shrinking and our jobs are leaving for the suburbs or other areas. But I think many of us, especially those who actually KNOW about all the positive change happening in the city, need to sit back every once in a while and just be proud of Buffalo. That negative attitude has no place in a city that prides itself on being (what I think) one of the friendliest cities around.

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contrary to mr. renn's faith in the good manners of others, i think most of us have had the experience of being out of town and exchanging pleasantries with someone who then dishes out a dig when they find out we're from buffalo.

it is bizarre, the degree to which people who have never been here feel entitled to snark. i don't blame johnny carson, i blame michael bennett. every time 'chorus line' is performed, another audience is assured that buffalo is worthless:

"i thought about killing myself, but then I realized to commit suicide in buffalo is redundant."

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If I were to ask the people i am surrounded by, more often than not i get "buffalo is a dump and there's no reason to go there..", this from people that probably have never been there. My task has been a difficult one as ambassador to my hometown, to say the least......perhaps partly from it's cool to knock buffalo (perhaps cliche)...and partly from the fact that news from buffalo in these parts consists of all the negatives, murders,closings, and so called "rankings" (only when we are rock bottom)...example: poorest city in the country.
the few positives I do get are from the people who have actually gone there...a colleague who tried the wing fest and loved it, to the colleague that has a son or daughter going to school there...and loves it.
unfortunately its hard to change minds when perception is more real than the reality.

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Get new friends.

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thin skinned group? This is a good article. A lot of truth to it.

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I say shhh....let's not work too hard to sing Buffalo's praises--it's quite perfect where it is right now. Art everywhere, young people excited to be back, restoration projects galore....

Soon we might have to contend with traffic, Toronto-developers tearing down everything, more Benderson, etc.

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I know everyone makes comments about our traffic being nonexistent, but on Friday, I was heading to Rochester from N. Buff at around 4:30, and it took me about 25 minutes to get from the Delta Sonic on Delaware to the Kensington-90 interchange via the 198. When I got to the interchange, I saw how backed up the 90 was and decided to take the 33 instead of getting on that mess. Google maps says it should be 10 minutes normal traffic. Sure we don't have the constant traffic, but I can remember a few times in the past couple months where traffic has been awful. Just a side note...

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This is not an example of terrible traffic.

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Perhaps not, but I've driven through Toronto and New York/Long Island, and I don't really consider those horrible traffic either. Just slow, but not horrible. What I mean, sure it's never that terrible, but it's like we don't ever have traffic...

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I recall hearing traffic reports of an accident at that time.

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translation: "all of these people driving everywhere all the time are keeping me from driving everywhere all the time."

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Yes, in 1982 when I left Buffalo to find my way to NYC I felt the same way as Michael Bennet but after having lived in different cities and traveled around the world I found that there is no place like home.

I guess its hard to gain a positive perspective from a gated community in one of our suburbs where there is safety in sameness. It takes a certain amount of optimism and personal security to root for the underdog. Not everybody in Western NY is ready to get behind something that has been the tag line of jokes for so long. They don't want to be teased or laughed at at the country club.

They'll get there but it will be long after the hard work is done. In the meantime I love showing off our city to our friends that visit and most have been back for second and third visits.

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Um, I actually did move here from NYC in '91, did fall in love with the place and do champion its many attributes to my friends.

I'm a realtor and take great joy in seeing and hearing the reactions from out-of-area clients coming to Buffalo for work. I show them the whole city - not just the 'green zones' and they are dumbstruck by what we once were and the exciting new directions now underway.

To be sure, we still have our share of challenges, but even the most jaded of observers will step back and acknowlege the renewed spirit and new urbanism moving through the community.

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I get tired of these articles and postings that force Buffalonians into another round of paranoid soul-searching. The comments of Johnny Carson and Michael Bennett were decades ago. Get over it. (Thankfully, no one here has yet blamed the 1901 Pan-Am.)

Does Buffalo have the most friendly people in the world -- the City of Good Neighbors -- like many Buffalonians like to be portrayed? Sorry, but it's an overblown exaggeration. There are wonderful people everywhere. Does Buffalo have no culture? Nonsense. Buffalo offers a lot for a city of its size. There are no absolute truths.

Every city and town around the world has positive and negative elements. I live in LA. It ain't the promised land. The weather is great but the traffic can be mind-numbing. I have read comments here previously that describe it as one-dimensional. It's not true but it's a common refrain. People here don't lose sleep over such comments.

I lived in NYC and loved having everything at my fingertips but getting away for the weekend could be an exercise in futility. As wonderful as NYC is, we have all heard a long list of stereotypes about NYC. People in NYC don't care. I left San Francisco after a year because the weather drove me crazy but that doesn't mean it's not a great city.

You will find a mixed bag of revealing truths about every city but liking and loving a place is an incredibly personal experience and there's nothing wrong with that. But, Buffalo, c'mon, get off the psychologist's couch: you've been on it far too long.

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The comments of Johnny Carson and Michael Bennett were decades ago

yes, johnny carson's shows all aired before youtube. i don't remember too many specific johnny carson lines. but chorus line is performed all over the world all the time. it is very much a pop culture fixture and living influence.

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Grad, you know that there's probably not a city on the planet that doesn't have jokes made about it. I just don't understand Buffalo's continued thin-skinned attitude about this stuff.

Sorry, but a line in a musical has no bearing on Buffalo's well-being: Buffalo's attitudes about itself do.

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do not underestimate the power of the meme.

"A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols or practices, which can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals or other imitable phenomenon." (wikipedia)

examples of particularly powerful memes include:

welfare queen
war on drugs
tough on crime
the sunshine state
feminazi
job creators
death tax

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If Buffalo has been victimized by a line in a musical, it has had ample opportunity to get back on its feet. If it's any consolation, Mark Twain -- if he really said it -- didn't seem to do any permanent damage when he said that the coldest winter he ever spent was a summer in San Francisco. Take heart, Grad.

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I agree with a lot of what this article says, especially how it puts Buffalo below first-tier. What I don't understand is how the author is unable to comprehend that not everyone cares to live in a first-tier city. Some people would prefer to live in the woods. This isn't sour grapes either, it's just that the author doesn't know enough people who don't live in big cities.

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This is a bizarre article. We should discount positive articles about Buffalo? Why? For what purpose? Should we rip them out of the newspaper and toss them? I really don't get it.

I guess Mr. Renn is trying to say that no matter what people say about Buffalo, they really still think it stinks, and anyone who thinks otherwise is naive. Thank you very much, Mr. Renn, but I really don't need your patronizing attitude, and no one else does either.

I get plenty of pushback from people when I tell them I'm from Buffalo. Usually a derisive laugh, or comment about how much snow it gets, or whatever. I'm sure many of them would like to say a joke about the armpit of the east, but they are too polite to say that. So I don't need any warnings from you, Mr. Renn, about how I shouldn't take praise with a grain of salt.

Furthermore, I have taken several out of towners who had a negative view of Buffalo and given them the tour. In each case, they were openly skeptical that they would see anything of value, and by the end of it they were praising the city highly. Was it just to make me feel good? Perhaps, but then I found out through other friends that these same people told THEIR friends how surprised and delighted they were about Buffalo. Such unsolicited praise was not forced or polite, but genuine.

One recent example -- a woman I teach laughed at me derisively when I said I'm from Buffalo. Later, she told me her and her husband were visiting Fallingwater because they are Wright fans. They had no idea there was the Martin house in Buffalo. Later still, they told me that they were driving up to Toronto, so I urged them to visit the Martin house. They ended up spending an entire day visiting the Martin house, driving around the city, and she told me that they were extremely impressed. She then told me that she is telling all her friends, who are were surprised to hear how nice Buffalo really is. I didn't ask her to tell her friends -- she took it upon herself.

I agree with the others that some of the worst offenders are Buffalonians themselves. But I don't need smart intellectuals like you to tell me how stupid I am for reading positive articles about Buffalo.

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I'm all for taking criticism and making it work for us. We certainly need good ideas to guide our future, but to think that we're somehow exceedingly positive might be the siliest thing I've ever heard! The most depressing thing about Buffalo is the depressing attitudes of most WNYers. Luckily, BRO isn't reflective of that. Can't tell you how many times people ask "Why!" indignantly after I tell them I moved here from Long Island. As much as I love Buffalo, it seems most people that grew up here aren't happy until we're all somehow miserable together. Am I wrong? I think if we can fix the crappy attitude, then we've fixed one of our biggest problems.

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My friend calls it post traumatic stress syndrome--Buffalo was on a steady decline until about a decade ago. There are a lot of remanent, negative feelings that pervade the city due to loss of family, jobs, wealth, etc. Basically, due to decline.

That is changing, and will continue to change. It's hard for some who are new to Bflo to believe, but this is the most positive sentiment that the populace has had.....in sixty years. A good time to be here.

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Why is this on Buffalo Rising? I thought the whole point of Buffalo Rising was to speak positively about Buffalo even when other places didn't. Buffalonians are more aware than most people that Buffalo isn't perfect. For the record, New York City isn't perfect either, not by a long shot. Our awareness of our own imperfections is partly what allows us to see them and urgently try to improve the status quo. The point is that Buffalo has a new spirit for change and urbanism that is worth promoting, which we should absolutely do. Buffalonians are often negative about their city to start with (especially people from the outer burbs who rarely come to the city itself) so anything that changes that perception and attitude is good.

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Who cares?

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please note, everyone: renn does not mention buffalo in his article and did not write it for buffalorising or a buffalo audience. he posted it at his blog, where he writes about urbanism in general. i assume that bro then asked permission to repost it.

bro then confused the issue by adding the buffalo pictures. next time you guys reprint a renn piece, i suggest you just post his picture and add some generic images.

here's what renn actually -has- said about us in the past:

http://www.urbanophile.com/category/cities/buffalo/

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Are we Buffalonians doing what we are supposed to be doing?

Are we rebuilding and reconstructing demolished pieces of our histort to create vibrant world class historic and cultural districts?

Are we building a new hotel conference and convention center?

Are we extending the light rail to the larkin, central terminal Galleria and airport?

Are we opening new centers for excellence in other technology growth areas?

Are we restoring our parks?

Are we practicing and teaching manners?

Does education work with business so the skills, trades and higher curricula are available for local job needs?

Or are all our high taxes being sucked into unions, political patronage and other corruption so buffalo is only investing crumbs and leftovers...decline and slow growth for decades as only unions and patronage excluded from the suffering of the rest of the city

You know the answer

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Are we practicing and teaching manners?

ChristieLou, I've signed up for your online course. Looking forward to the fall semester.

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Are we Buffalonians doing what we are supposed to be doing?

Are we rebuilding and reconstructing demolished pieces of our histort to create vibrant world class historic and cultural districts?

Are we building a new hotel conference and convention center?

Are we extending the light rail to the larkin, central terminal Galleria and airport?

Are we opening new centers for excellence in other technology growth areas?

Are we restoring our parks?

Are we practicing and teaching manners?

Does education work with business so the skills, trades and higher curricula are available for local job needs?

Or are all our high taxes being sucked into unions, political patronage and other corruption so buffalo is only investing crumbs and leftovers...decline and slow growth for decades as only unions and patronage excluded from the suffering of the rest of the city

You know the answer

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Are we Buffalonians doing what we are supposed to be doing?

Are we rebuilding and reconstructing demolished pieces of our histort to create vibrant world class historic and cultural districts?

Are we building a new hotel conference and convention center?

Are we extending the light rail to the larkin, central terminal Galleria and airport?

Are we opening new centers for excellence in other technology growth areas?

Are we restoring our parks?

Are we practicing and teaching manners?

Does education work with business so the skills, trades and higher curricula are available for local job needs?

Or are all our high taxes being sucked into unions, political patronage and other corruption so buffalo is only investing crumbs and leftovers...decline and slow growth for decades as only unions and patronage excluded from the suffering of the rest of the city

You know the answer

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We're...double posting?

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hey, just be glad that christie-lou got his caps lock key unstuck.

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I love this city, it is my hometown and I get very sick and tired of all the negative press about Buffalo. Most of these critics probably never been to Buffalo, they just depend on all the heresay and propaganda from the news media. As for the photos of downtown on here they are awesome. Would you rather have a photo of cars stuck in snow? I appreciate Buffalo and WNY a lot more when I moved back from Austin, Texas in the spring of 2001. Austin is the most horrendously overrated city in the country and among the most unfriendly and the most sprawled out. It is more suburb than city. Buffalo on the other hand is very friendly and very diverse with true urban neighborhoods of fine old housing that you would never find in a sunbelt burg.

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