Croce Purchases Another Franklin Street Property; Has Five Projects in the Works
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Leave a commentWhat is the condition of the Miller Livery (Hertz)? A truck fell through the floor a few years back, and it looks like the whole building is looking like Eeyore - sad and dismal. I'm sure the whole building needs some love, but he's saying he has a tenant lined up for the top of the building? The whole thing looks like it has a lot needed to be done before it is tenant ready.
Pleaseee but residential in there.
You can have all the restaurants in the world, but people can go anywhere for a bite to eat. You need more residential Downtown to accommodate the influx of jobs there.
Sounds like my house, 5 projects started nine finished
Mark Croce has been instrumental in downtown Buffalo's turnaround over the past fifteen years, nothing ever happens as quickly and seamlessly as anyone would like....especially the developer(s), in this case Croce but if anyone has earned the benefit of the doubt it's Mark Croce & Rocco Termini....both have put their money where their mouth is....with outstanding results! Give them a break! Good luck Mark, keep up the good work!
I agree. Getting someone to be interested in revitalizing these properties is half the battle. If he's willing to take all these on, then I'm not concerned about when he gets them completed, just as long as they're done well.
Perhaps his latest purchase would be a place for Catholic Health's new building.
I read where Catholic Health "could" be placing 700 people downtown. What are they doing....building a new hospital??
700 seems like a massive number.
Any ideas/rumors ?
Enjoy the weekend !!!
http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/print-edition/2012/10/05/catholic-health-hq-heading-downtown.html Catholic health is building a new HQ on a Uniland parcel in the Elm-Oak corridor.
I'll have a post up on Monday- not many details yet but a big opportunity here to fix some bad planning along that corridor
The Catholic Health System had been talking about consolidating a lot of their various offices scattered throughout the area into a location downtown, including most of their offices at the Appletree Business Park in Cheektowaga.
Speaking of Croces, any idea what's going on with Scott Croce's building at the Cloister site on Delaware? I thought construction was supposed to start months ago.
I like a lot of what Croce has done so far but it makes me nervous to have so many half completed projects on the books. I don't want him to turn into another Bashar Issa. That said, I wish him the best and hope all his projects come through. I'm excited to see what he has planned for Chippewa & Pearl. That's a high profile surface parking lot that needed to be developed yesterday.
Which reminds me...
What happened to Croce's parking lot/office idea for behind City Hall?
That idea was for where behind City Hall--?
Well, not RIGHT behind City Hall. But kinda.
That article is an interesting read 2 years later and when Croce is, in fact, the Statler owner despite saying he was not interested.
Indeed, what a difference 2 years makes. I was thinking that today when I was out by Peg's Park.
How are you seeing my comments so fast?? Through some kind of feed or something--? I guess I oughta know that, oughtn't I?
Thanks. When you said "behind City Hall" I was thinking the area by St. Anthony's -
What was flaming about bringing to light his unfinished projects? All 5 of them?
A "higher and better use" for 294 than a bar called Buckin' Buffalo?! The unintentional irony there is rich :-D
As for 286, don't tell any of my preservation friends I said this, but I wonder if Croce has considered demolition as an option--? While I'm not big on removing buildings that can be reused, its removal might allow the footprint to be used in some creative ways that could enhance the Chophouse, 290, and even the streetscape. Like a courtyard for the Chophouse, outdoor space or side addition for 290. Alternatively, perhaps it could be combined with 290 with a second-floor addition or outdoor space on the roof for the second floor of 290.
And whatnot.
yes, I am usually with the Preservation crowd but I think the street would be enhanced by knocking this building down and adding to the Chop House or the building next to it. You couldn't get a more architecturally insignificant building.
Hey, does anyone know what 290 Franklin used to be--? It has happy/sad masks on it, which would seem to suggest it used to be a theater. But it's also in a district where several motion picture companies housed film exchanges, so perhaps it was one of those.
Another instance of how using something for parking doesn't at all prevent it from being built on when demand happens -
"Croce is planning a three-story building for the parking lot at the northwest corner of Pearl and Chippewa Street. "
Other examples include the Wester Block, and the parking lot that was made available to Issa for City Tower (even though he didn't build that), ... no doubt lots of examples.
Great point. Tearing down a building for a parking lot doesn't guarantee that something won't be built on the same site in the recent or very distant future.
Now all we have to do is find someone who will argue that parking lots will never ever be building sites again and we've got an argument we can't lose.
RE: finding someone to argue that parking lots will never again be built upon:
But that argument gets made on this site all the time. Any time a building is replaced by parking, BR commentators clamor that nothing ever gets built on any of these seemingly useless 'shovel ready' sites, portraying them as scars which permanently rip apart the fabric of our urban life.
So pointing out places where parking lots are replaced by buildings, when the occasional event occurs, is a germane point to the ongoing discussion concerning parking, which occurs at least monthly.
One could include in that list of parking lots giving way to development: the FBI building behind city hall, which Paladino developed at the site of a former gas station and parking lot, as well as his newer building on Tupper across from Babeville, where he kept surface parking but built new offices covering the lot (similar to what was done in the 600 block at the site of the former McDonald's, actually), the W Genesee St post office, and of course a number of buildings in the medical corridor, built and planned.
Bini> "But that argument gets made on this site all the time."
Are you sure about that? I can remember people complaining about vacant lots remaining "shovel ready" for a very long time but I can't remember anybody making the claim that "parking (does) at all prevent it(land) from being built on when demand happens."
According to online aerial imagery, the parcel in question has been used as a parking lot as far back as 1959 (historicaerials.com and type in address). 53 years (likely more) could be someone's lifetime depending on how much 64oz pops they drink so it wouldn't be too unreasonable for someone to complain of vacant lots not being developed in their lifetime. But that is very different than the point whatever is arguing against.
As I have said on multiple occasions, I'm not trying to be mean or disrespectful to your friend here. He holds my comments to a similar standard so it is really only fair that I point out the scarecrows and double standards when he makes them. All in good fun and humor.
Okay, ket, if what I commented seems to you like stating the obvious, then maybe this time there's nothing for you to argue about with me (horrors!)
Everything doesn't have to be an argument.
But who knows - perhaps to some others reading it, maybe it wasn't so obvious and might offer a perspective they hadn't considered about supply/demand, etc.
as an out of towner, the Statler eventhought looks beautiful in the photos on the inside; looks like crap on the outside and would not even think it's open for business. Croce , if he is a real developer, should make the business decision to at least clean up the outside and appear to open for the same. I understand he is waiting to re- furbish the upper floors albeit at a snails pace but what a down and out entrance and which could only detract or impede interest and bookings. I do not understand his business concept.
So excited to read about Croce's plans for that ugly surface parking lot at Chippewa and Pearl. I've always said to myself that if I ever won the lottery, I'd build a nice wrap-around bar/restaurant/grill there with large windows that would open up to the street in nice weather (think Kelsey's on Clifton Hill). It's such a prime spot in a district that's evolving again from just bars and clubs to bars, clubs and restaurants (fine dining and fast food). The lot there now absolutely kills the urban fabric on that corner. Building an attractive, three story building there will go a long way toward improving the overall image of this part of the city (which so many visitors see). Also nice to see the city FINALLY paved Chippewa. Now how about some new, cool street lights with 'Chip Strip' banners or something to really tie it all together. Between traffic returning to the Theatre District and this building (along with the Dinosaur BBQ), this area could really look great and vibrant again in about a year. And it needs to do that (and have it's own draws.. a la Dinosaur BBQ) to compete and stay relavant against all that's happening at Canalside.
If the city can't maintain the new law for bars not allowing under 21 patrons this will kill whatever momentum Croce (and others) built and plans to build. There's a few club owners claiming that since the city oficially cut off under 21 patrons a few weeks ago they've lost significant business. It's ironic to me that bar owners are losing money because they aren't allowed to accomodate people not even old enough to legally drink.
Perhaps they should consider adapting their business model to attracting a slightly older crowd that has disposable income but does not want the drama of a bunch of 19 year olds fighting and causing trouble. Why would a bar owner want to take on the liability of underaged patrons in their establishment? Seems like a bad business model to begin with.
Allen, west of Elmwood, is on the cusp of becoming the new Chippewa.
No doubt. Like any dense area of bars you will have problems, most of which I accept as life in the big city. I know Allen has its share of crime but over the summer a lot of ours has turned violent. Maybe Allen's has too and I'm more acute to those in my neighborhood. Perhaps you know mpre about that?
However some may be preventable. The under 21 crowd hasn't learned how to responsibly party yet and they cause more problems than needed. When you have over a dozen high-capacity clubs catering to that many amateurs it causes exponentially more problems. And don't be fooled that these minors aren't drinking, just walk down any of the surrounding streets on a Friday morning after a Thursdy "college night" and the evidence speaks for itself.
If these clubs think this is the only way to be successful then perhaps they should meet with their neighbors to discuss these issues.
And just to be clear, my gripe is primarily with the underage crowd.
Statler exterior and the Curtiss ..... 2 jobs that he should be focusing on ...... The Curtis will be a great alternative to the Hyatt but swanky And extremely attractive from the outside
Mark Croce is part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution...please, readers, stop drinking the kool-aid.
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I agree that Croce needs to focus on his 2 original projects ( Curtis and statler) Both look like crap and diminish the overall appearance of downtown. Finish those two and then move on.
C'mon Man!...
"Talks are underway with City and State officials about securing funding to further stabilize the building's exterior that has only seen priority repairs made to date. The holdup with the State money is slowing down Croce's long-term plans for the property, but Croce is confident that the funding will be forthcoming shortly."
Talks are underway? What talks? There is nothing to talk about. This is ridiculous.
The $5 million from the state to secure and improve the exterior of the Statler was part of the purchase deal. Croce should already have this money !
Get it done. Get the money and get the exterior and the front entrance of the Statler looking as good as the interior.
New York State is incompetent... !
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I just don't get it (actually, I do). Accumulation, but at what expense? Nothing moving forward? It would be great to remove egos from downtown development (but, maybe that is impossible).
Kind of like pet collecting but without all the cat litter everywhere...