Preservation: Pittsburgh Gets it. Does Buffalo?
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Leave a commentSomething Pittsburgh, and many other cities didn't have; was the wonderful work of Robert Moses (see Niagara Falls)
They may not have had Moses but Pittsburgh is ringed along their rivers and split through the middle by highways. Some of their recent development is typical suburban single use office parks along the rivers where there were once steel plants. Some new development in South Side is mixed use.
But there are some wonderful neighborhoods and their downtown is vital and getting better. Glad the preservationists won the battle several years ago over demolishing more of the city for more stupid convention center.
I visited Pittsburgh this summer and was impressed by the neighborhoods and the sheer volume of historic buildings. Equally impressive was the presence of a university that was centrally located, along with top-notch museums and libraries.
The downside was the blockade of the waterfront by highways. It was a chore to get to the waterfront in a city at the confluence of three rivers! In spite of that, Pittsburgh is still vibrant with the university and the life it adds to the city.
pittsburgh's downtown is beautifully intact, with noticeably few surface lots, as steel observed. it also has light rail downtown, as we do. yes, as travelerrr said, "buffalo could be every bit as interesting, solid, and forward-thinking as pittsburgh. "
but we still act is though downtown's primary reason for existence is to move cars at great speeds (elm/oak arterial, rt. 5, niagara thruway, our tragically widened & degraded delaware avenue & niagara st.) and to store them free or cheap in vast numbers (the asteroid belt of surface parking choking downtown, the parking ramps displacing productive land uses such as offices, housing, or retail).
it is almost as if we were being blackmailed by sprawl & auto interests.
Yeah, but all the armchair-urban planners say preservationists stop PROGRESS!!!
I wouldn't say that armchair-urban planners complain about preservation. I would say it is the arm-chair developers that complain ........ and libertarians.
Get the access ramps further away from downtown.
-eliminate the Kensington Expressway after Best Street rather than Goodell
-eliminate the skyway access ramp and replace with the Tift Street bypass or use the Hamburg and Virginia access ramps
-eliminate the Erie Street Access ramp
-eliminate the Elm Oak Arteriole and access ramps and replace with Best and Hamburg.
This is how you build downtown made for people and buildings and businesses.
We have a downtown right now that has more connection to expressway access ramps than to its surrounding community. Its no wonder there is no synergy to take Buffalo to the next level or take the inner city neighborhoods to the next level.
Pittsburgh track record with preservation is actually pretty lousy. They are no more progressive than Buffalo. This recent epiphany of Pittsburgh's doesn't eclipse Buffalo's preservation revival.
Maybe so, but as metioned above, it is intact, not a plain of of parking fields and has much more of a city feel.
Why do we compare Buffalo to places that are not apples-to-apples?
Population Metro Pittsburgh: 2,356,285
Population Metro Buffalo (inc Niagara Falls!!!): 1,135,509
The numbers for development work COMPLETELY different folks.
Pittsburgh most recent boom is largely contributed to Marcellus shale production (oil/gas fracking related) - its driving leaps and bounds and setting up Pitt as the new utility company headquarter point. WNY lost that chance with the restrictions in the state. (Note: this is not a debate of right or wrong on fracking)
What does understanding the power of preservation have to do with population? I can show you cities much smaller than Buffalo successfully leveraging their historic urbanis. And as far as Fracking goes Buffalo has one of the biggest players in the field pouring money into WNY. I am thinking that Fracking is an extremely low percentage of the Pittsburgh GDP as well.
"...but here we are all planning it together."
I cannot ever imagine in my lifetime WNY'ers working together.
In the book "Miracle in Buffalo: How the Dream of Baseball Revived a City" it's revealed that ever since the 1960s (at least), Erie County residents fought the idea of a downtown ballpark and told their legislators that they didn't feel safe down there.
For a long time time now, WNY has made it known that it wants to be a suburban community and that's okay, you're allowed to choose where you want to live. WNY's smaller population wouldn't have hurt Buffalo's density so badly if say, a major university or an NFL stadium were located in the suburbs.
Buffalo missed the boat and now, there's just not enough urban-minded people in the area to make the city as dense and lively as we'd like it to be. But when Buffalo's on (St. Patty's Parade, Art Fest, Bidwell Market) it's a wonderful thing.
I just wish we could have more of it. Unfortunately, the city's building stock is just going to continue contracting until it matches the number of people who actually give a sh*t around here.
Interesting. Why do you think WNYers don't collaborate?
Because WNYers like their fiefdoms. Citizens look to their overlords for guidance and protection from outsiders; it's an "us versus them" attitude that permeates from hyperlocal governments on down.
Amherst duels with Buffalo for the coveted Geico office. Hamburg banishes non-Hamburgians from their parks because they don't live within their castle walls. And meanwhile, Kenmore has it's own police force sandwiched between the Tonawandas and Buffalo.
It's silly to think that Erie County needs so many borders when it's entire population is smaller than a NYC Borough (Ok, except for that island one).
"WNY, a compartmentalized region where there's a place for everybody and everybody's in their place!" There's no overlapping unity.
Deep down, I think we all really hate each other until some stranger comes along to help push your car out of a snow bank.
This looks inaccurate:
"Amherst duels with Buffalo for the coveted Geico office."
It's been reported Geico made clear from the start they would not even consider any urban site.
As for Kenmore's police - if residents who choose to live there are evidently willing to pay more in taxes in return for having a very different policing style there than we have here in Buffalo, I don't see anything bad about letting them have their choice for that.
Public park exclusivity such as Hamburg's, I agree should be made illegal statewide - along outlawing all employee residency rules for all cities, towns, villages anywhere in the state.
The city populations are comparable (307,00 vs. 261,00), and most historic preservation efforts in these two areas are taking place in the city proper. It's not unreasonable to compare them, though I think it's important to understand they have different moods in terms of design--Buffalo feeling more open, spacious and midwestern and Pittsburgh feeling more eastern and more tightly packed.
An art school and a winning hockey team in no way remove this city from the "Ugly and depressing as shit" list.
A great city..I can't wait to get back. Excuse my lack of names and locations..Pittsburgh has got a couple of great districts that are a cross between Park Street in Rochester (VERY CLEAN/WELL MAINTAINED) and Elmwood in Buffalo (Unique stores/walkable/independent etc) I didn't get to see a ton of Downtown, liked what I saw..theres a lot there that reminds me of Washington Street. (Am&A's, Lafayette..the above "tightly packed") But I would not go as far as saying its a bastion of historic preservation. The cbd had some holes in it but overall was solid compared to Buffalo's toothless look.
Good for them..I suppose this is what you get with solid local leadership..a collection of Fortune 500 companies..excellent geography (HQ for Natural gas boom)..and large of amounts of historically significant buildings.
Pittsburgh is not intact, and tears down historic buildings constantly. Check the City of Pittsburgh demolition listings. Check my blog at www.JonathonDenson.com
The Frank and Seder Building in downtown Pittsburgh is currently endangered with demolition, among many others.
Buffalo has historic neighborhoods (Allentown) walkable to downtown. Pittsburgh destroyed many of its historic neighborhoods in the 1950s and 1960s, during the urban renewal era. The Lower Hill District (a historic neighborhood adjacent to downtown), historic downtown Allegheny City (North Side), and a large section of downtown Pittsburgh (at the point) were all removed during this time and replaced with a failed urban shopping mall, a park, highways, and a recently demolished arena.
I've been to Buffalo and it is more or less as intact as Pittsburgh.
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"I don't know of any other city where the mayor's office is working with preservation groups like that." Well, it certainly ain't going to be found in this city, that is for sure.
I point the finger at the Council as much as I do the Mayor. And, where is the business leadership (apart from individuals, such as Doug Swift, Howard Zemsky, Rocco Termini) on this issue?
Amex funded a huge preservation program in Minneapolis--why aren't FNFG, M&T, Delaware North, Rich's, etc. getting behind this issue in a big, big way? It's quality of life for their employees, so they should care; study after study shows that talent want to move to walkable, historic, and authentic cities, if given the chance.
Buffalo is getting HUGE press and recognition these days. Look at every article and notice what is just about the FIRST attribute of the city that people mention: the architecture. Read the comments here, if you need corroboration on what people love about this city: www.designsponge.com/2012/09/buffalo-ny-city-guide.html.
Our historic architecture is one of our key assets/economic tools, which we continue to unnecessarily squander (in places). Can we save anything? No. But, we can have a plan, strategize, mothball for future use.
However, at present, there is no city-wide plan, political or business will. And this is after we were selected to host the "Preservation Olympics"? How pathetic.
Buffalo could be every bit as interesting, solid, and forward-thinking as Pittsburgh. The big difference between the cities, however, can be seen from top down leadership (or lack thereof).