City September 18, 2012 12:05 AM

Innovate Trico: Thinking Outside the Box

Innovate Trico: Thinking Outside the Box
This month a print article (Trico Biz First Sept 2012.pdf) in Buffalo Business First has been causing some acid reflux in preservation circles.  The article is about a growing urgency to expand BNMC's Innovation Center (what the article refers to as "Innovation Center Two"), and it extensively quotes BNMC President Patrick Whalen.  Now who could be anything but delighted at the idea that the Innovation Center is experiencing bursting-at-the-seams growth?  That's not the source of the dyspepsia.  Rather, that the article appears to turn the clock back on much mutual progress that -- so the preservation community thought -- had been quietly made this year on adaptive reuse of the Trico Building.  Seeming to fly in the face of that progress, the overwhelming theme of the article is that the Innovation Center must expand, in the very near future, to the space currently occupied by the Trico Building.  Whether into, or onto, that space is left somewhat to interpretation -- yet the overwhelming sense is a call for demolition.

As you well know if you check Buffalo Rising, Artvoice, or preservation-oriented blogs on even a casual basis, in the spring the perhaps pending demolition of the Trico Building exploded onto the radar screen of the community.  This came on the heels of the breakdown of an initial Roundtable of discussions on options for the building.  The resulting firestorm of statements, articles, organizing, public meetings, and public hearings were not just community catharsis but also initiated a community conversation about a new, broader vision of how the Trico Building, where so much industrial-era innovation took place, could contribute anew to a fresh round of future-building community innovation.


SaveTricoLogo.jpgOne result was that the Trico Roundtable was reconstituted to take a fresh look at Trico adaptive reuse.  What was really possible and feasible, and to what degree?  And at what cost?

Although I am a participant in the reconstituted Roundtable, in all that participation I'm also very careful to figuratively take off my Buffalo Rising/Artvoice hat.  So, for example, I haven't shared internal Roundtable emails with either publication, and in writing an article such as this I'm careful to make sure that what I write is not based on any confidential, internal Roundtable information.  Rather, it's informed by what I would call "word on the street" (and if you doubt how much of that Buffalo Rising writers hear, check out these two recent articles from just this month), and publicly available information.

And both of those sources paint a picture of a reconstituted Trico Roundtable that has made great strides over the summer toward developing and evaluating feasible options that completely or maximally preserve the Trico Building -- while also meeting the needs and aspirations of BNMC and its Innovation Center client-tenants.  That progress gave the preservation community hope that the days of these ambiguous statements hinting at, or as we saw in the spring, outright announcing plans to demolish all or part of the building were in the past.  The community was looking forward to a report this month (the article states mid-September).  But the Business First article raises new questions -- or, perhaps more accurately, re-raises old ones.


It discusses BNMC seeking $300,000 in planning funds for a "site-neutral design study" for Innovation Center Two.  But the last paragraph, especially, leaves little doubt that BNMC is still eyeing Trico demolition, in quoting BNMC President Patrick Whalen:

The study is not site-specific, but the hope is to build next door.  Demolition of the Trico Building would enable that, [Whalen] said.

"We're not crazy demolition guys just tearing down the building for the heck of it," Whalen said.  "We don't need another parking lot here.  What we need is space for early-stage companies to develop."

Yet the quotes in the article still contain enough ambiguity to leave the reader uncertain whether they represent a clear indication that BNMC is reasserting its intentions evinced earlier this year to demolish all or some of the Trico Building.  In that respect, it's certainly not the first news item that has been ambiguous on this score.  Such ambiguity, in fact, seems to have been more often than not part of news stories about expansion of the Innovation Center, when referring to the possibilities of expanding next door at the site of the Trico Building (perhaps more properly, "Plant 1" as the Innovation Center is actually located in a relatively more modern addition to the former Trico complex).  Just a year ago, in fact, Buffalo Rising highlighted this ambiguity in reporting on a Senator Schumer press conference announcing expansion of the Innovation Center.  And as far back as the month I moved to Buffalo (spring, 2009), on a hardhat tour of the Innovation Center then still under construction, I received conflicting answers on plans for the main Trico Building next door.  The answers were consistent only in that they set the pattern for what I would hear over the next few years: no one would say on the record what plans were for it, but on the QT it was always, ultimately, demolition.

Despite this alarming re-emergence of demolition talk, the article actually contains quite a bit of good news about growth and spinoff economic development based on proximity to the medical campus.  According to the article, the Innovation Center currently houses "about 40 companies" in 100,000+ square feet.  Among companies that have recently expanded or are looking to expand include, according to Business First:

OncoMed Pharmaceuticals recently added 5,000 square feet, housing pharmacists and a "mini call center."

Mobile Healthcare Connections, Inc. leased 1,100 square feet on top of the the 7,000 square feet they have under construction on the first floor, including pharmacy operations, a call center, and meeting space.

Immco Diagnostics will move its serology labs to the Innovation Center from Amherst.  It has an option for another 3,300 square feet for pending out-of-state acquisitions.

Ceno Technologies, Inc. will be moving into 2,000 square feet long-term, from smaller, rented space in the building.

While not mentioned by Business First, earlier this year, Buffalo Rising covered the move of Wynn Creative Group to 1,650 square feet in the Innovation Center, noting that, "While not in the fields of medicine or science, Wynne Creative Group leaders believe their design firm fits perfectly within the culture of the campus."

In addition to "the culture of the campus," other reasons cited by the companies for wanting to locate and grow at BNMC, according to Business First, include proximity to Roswell Park and UB.  Specifically, the article quotes OncoMed CEO Burt Zweigenhaft.  A UB graduate, he is shifting back-office operations to Buffalo.  He is also discussing a residency track for students of UB School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences.  He told Business First that he "hopes to find 70,000 square feet in the region."

This is all good, right?  These kinds of academic/business synergies and partnerships have led universities, communities, and even states around the nation to establish facilities and programs like BNMC's Innovation Center.  Translating these synergies into economic development and growth is pure gold in an economically challenged region that otherwise doesn't rise to the top in the largely metrics-based business site selection criteria.  And never more than right now: over the weekend the Buffalo News reported that the Buffalo-Niagara Enterprise is looking at a notably weak year in terms of business recruitment.

At last year's Accelerate Upstate conference in Buffalo, which I covered for Artvoice, several panelists reinforced the idea that nurturing and growing existing businesses is just as important to regional business growth as traditional business recruitment that involves coming out on top in the site selection game.  And at the Innovation Center we have businesses that want to be here and want to grow here.  That certainly reinforces the idea of regional clustering being widely promoted by the Brookings Institution, which is advising our regional economic development council.  So this is what we want, right?

But all that portrayal of bursting-at-the-seams growth casts in a disturbing light quotes from OncoMed's Zweigenhaft and BNMC's Whalen that imply, if not state outright, that preservation of the Trico Building is an impediment to this growth:

"We really hope the Trico Building will be a long-term solution, but it's still up in the air right now," [Zweigenhaft] said.  "As we grow, we're trying to anchor the company and headquarters in Buffalo.  It's a great place to grow and create jobs." [Although his statement is ambiguous as to how the Trico Building represents a "solution," context seems to make clear the implication: demolition.]

And that's the problem, Whalen said.  Companies are growing but there's no definite answer on whether they'll be able to grow in place.  BNMC's preferred plan is to build on the site of the adjacent Trico Building. [Again: demolition.]


Unfortunately, these quotes represent a recrudescence of the false dichotomy that was portrayed to the community in the spring, when the issue of preservation of the Trico Building flared up: the notion for the Innovation Center to expand, all or part of the Trico Building needs to be demolished.  In the spring, various reasons -- and variations on reasons -- were cited at several community meetings that were held.  The building would cost too much to reuse, interior configuration of floors and columns wouldn't accommodate laboratory modules, certain laboratory space could simply not be located in a building that had once been environmentally contaminated, no matter how extensive the remediation -- all were averred by BNMC.

Termini.jpgImage credit: Queenseyes

But the Buffalo preservation community, including a number of professional developers who have extensive experience with adaptive reuse projects, made an extremely good showing, I thought, in addressing these concerns point-by-point.  Personally, I was especially impressed with the presentations at the community meeting hosted by the Campaign for Greater Buffalo, which went overboard to lay out a vision for how reuse of the Trico Building could greatly enhance the medical campus, the Innovation Center, and the neighborhood.  Such constructive input, backed up by widespread concern for preserving Buffalo's heritage, led to the important outcome that the Trico Roundtable was reconstituted and went back to the drawing board.

Yet the Business First article suggests a going backward on that progress, like being set back a step after taking two forward.  They also raise the possibility that BNMC, after at least appearing to cooperate with the reconstituted Trico Roundtable and the adaptive reuse study, may now be signaling to community opinion leaders that it is backing away from its commitment to support adaptive reuse and let the study process play out.  And moreover, the appearance of these quotes in Business First  suggest a signal to the business community that may be understandably concerned about the previously mentioned slowdown in recruitment and eager to take hold of anything that smells like potential growth.

The article could also be taken as an indicator that BNMC may be playing the economic development card in its private discussions with community leaders -- again, based on the false dichotomy that the Innovation Center can only be expanded where the Trico Building sits, and that adaptive reuse simply won't meet the needs of some of its clients.  Such a position would be essentially equivalent to stating that the Trico Building is a barrier to progress and growth, and raising the spectre, so often raised in preservation debates, of a loss of economic opportunity if we don't quickly give a particular entity exactly what it wants when it wants it.  In fact, the article openly states:

"It's really important to this community that we get going on Innovation Center Two or the next company that grows here is going to go somewhere else," [Whalen] said.  "We're trying to compete with free space elsewhere and we've been doing it pretty well, but if we don't have it to offer, these companies are going to leave."

I have no doubt that some will cry foul over this article.  Some will wag their fingers at BNMC saying that they're just paying lip service to adaptive reuse of Trico at the Roundtable, all the while paving the way for demolition away from the Roundtable.  Others will say "I told you so."  I can sympathize with all that.

But to my mind, more than anything the article betrays BNMC as guilty a far larger and far more serious sin: a lack of vision so severe that it not only can't see the big picture, but apparently can't see past the single big tree it's obsessed with chopping down to realize that it's in a forest.  It's right here in this quote from BNMC President Whalen:

We are finding many of the life science companies do business with each other," he said.  "Those entrepreneurs have a built-in support system in the building.  The building is designed so that they run into each other."

The implication that the Innovation Center can only accommodate the needs of its clients if it expands all under one roof is not only an unhelpful element to inject at this point, but in my view entirely misses the opportunity to see a far-bigger picture -- and far-better opportunity -- that is staring us in the face.  It's the height of irony that the very folks who brought us the Innovation Center are hidebound by the idea that everything must be within four walls -- especially considering that everyone's favorite innovation metaphor is "thinking outside the box."  To borrow the term President Obama coined (apparently) in his DNC acceptance speech, they seem to be stuck in a demolition "mindwarp."

TricoReconfigured.jpgImage credit: Nicholas Tyler Miller

Yes, there may be some client needs that can only be met through new-build construction.  But even much of that could actually be new-build construction within the shell of an extensively reconfigured Trico Building (note the reconfiguration proposals by Nicholas Tyler Miller shown on Buffalo Rising this year -- options that have been successfully used elsewhere).  But entirely new construction can be accommodated right across Ellicott Street from Trico, for example, on a quintessential  "shovel-ready" site.  Such new construction can even be linked across (or under) Ellicott -- just like the Hauptman-Woodward Research Institute is linked to Roswell Park labs with a skybridge so that materials can be transferred under controlled conditions.  New construction across Ellicott Street from Trico would displace existing surface parking, yes, but that can be accommodated through structured options that may be required anyway as BNMC grows.

BNMCSkywalk.jpgImage credit: Queenseyes

Other communities that are expanding facilities like our Innovation Center into "innovation campuses" are using a mix of adaptive reuse of existing (and in many cases, large, former industrial) buildings and new builds.  In at least one example the existing buildings and new-builds are connected.  And right here in Buffalo the Larkin District provides a great example of a vibrant, urban, mixed-use and mixed-construction environment that is already successfully incubating and growing businesses both within Larkin Development Corporation facilities and also those of other developers and businesses that have chosen to locate and invest nearby.  People connect and interact in the Larkin District not because they're all contained in one building, but because they are all in the same district and share some campus-like, high-quality common facilities and amenities.  And folks in the Larkin District are very conscious of being part of a whole that's greater than the sum of its great parts.

LarkinSquareRendering.jpgImage credit: Larkin Development Group

In a short series of articles of which this is the first, I'm going to explore these ideas a bit more.  I appreciate your willingness to check out some writing that may be a bit longer and perhaps more opinionated than the norm.  I look forward to checking out your views -- perhaps also long and opinionated -- in the comments.

Next up: Nebraska's nascent Innovation Campus will have a facilities mix of new builds and adaptive reuse of large, historic buildings.

PLEASE NOTE: the opinionated opinions I opine are strictly my own, and do not represent the views of the Trico Roundtable.


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Good lord, have we learned nothing?

Prediction: AFter a very tough battle over a period of years, in which preservationists are accused of every maglinancy, the Trico building will be saved, and the Innovation Center will move in. After that, all parties will appear totally surprised that the building meets all their needs, creates a unique identity, is a regional and national drawing card, and works even better than new construction.

And then we'll have to go and do this all over again with another building. After a while, you get tired of fighting, even when you are right, but fight we must.

I suspect that the BNMC is suffering from new buildings fetish syndrome -- they see the great new buildings being built down the street, and they don't want to be stuck with some old building that we are tired of seeing. They want something new! And shiny!

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Yeah, preservation issues tend to have some predictable features in common -- somewhat akin to the stages of grief, no?

To your last point: stay tuned -- my next post will be about an innovation campus that will be a nice mix of rehabbed, historic mega-buildings and shiny new-build architecture. Set in a dense, walkable, urbanist site plan. Who says you can't have it all--?

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It's funny you should say that because as I read the BNMC quotes in the article I was reminded of the arguments Zepto made for demolishing 878 Main Street, and the veiled threats they made about having to expand elsewhere if they couldn't get the parking they needed next door. Now Chris Collins is being hailed as a Preservationist and happily showing people around his renovated masterwork.

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well put.

'shooting the messenger' (vilifying preservationists instead of neglectful owners and look-the-other-way building inspectors) has become an obligatory stage in the ritual.

the final stage in the ritual is the glory-hogging after the adaptive reuse is a huge success. no one apologizes for all the nasty things they said about the people who actually predicted and agitated for their success.

everyone is a preservationist after the fact.

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So true. It seems all-too-easy to put blame on "obstructionists"--"we came too late to the table--we are reactionary", "why don't we buy the building", and/or "why are you trying to save everything" as opposed to looking squarely in the eye(s) at the BNMC and saying: "why did you allow this irreplaceable building to sit unprotected for a decade, thereby creating blight in a growing/booming section of our city?" Let's put the blame where it belongs.

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If BNMC really believes in innovation, it can find a way to save this building.

Preservation is about sustaining what we have for future generations. Demolition is not sustainable, and exactly the opposite of innovation. It's cynical, backward thinking.

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But, but -- everyone, and I mean EVERYONE knows that Innovation Centers must be housed in a really cool new buildling. Doncha know -- it's how all the coolest tech centers look everywhere in the world.

Who wants a dingy old building? That will seriously send the wrong message that we are about the new and the innovative!

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seems to me that the tri-main center, also a former trico plant, provides a great model for this:

We are finding many of the life science companies do business with each other," he said. "Those entrepreneurs have a built-in support system in the building. The building is designed so that they run into each other."

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Great update, Rachacha.

Comments like Whalen's demonstrate an utter disregard for the folks who are volunteering their time to participate with the Roundtable--if he and the other decision-makers have no intention to really explore alternative reuses, why waste everyone's time? Why not pull them aside and be candid, as opposed to letting the read about it in the press? Why disregard the (almost unanimous) findings that there are reuse opportunities--if not for all, for MOST of the building?

Also, I think you zeroed in on a kernel of truth as well, that BNMC: "...may be playing the economic development card in its private discussions with community leaders -- again, based on the false dichotomy that the Innovation Center can only be expanded where the Trico Building sits, and that adaptive reuse simply won't meet the needs of some of its clients." Fact of the matter is that we should not be allowing a (potential) repat, who may or may not come back, to determine the fate of our architectural heritage.

Finally, Rocco called Enstice's bluff and offered him $1 for the building. That offer no longer stands?

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There has been no public political support for Trico. Although the Preservation Board unanimously voted to locally landmark the building the Common Council, specifically Darius Pridgeon, has not acted on it. No action is tantamount to denying it. The only hope is that NYS SHPO will deny demolition as state or federal funds will be involved. Unfortunately they may be coerced by politicians to determine the building is unsaveable.
Two things have to happen: The building must be removed from BNMC and placed in a developers hands who can use the historic tax credits and public pressure has to be increased to make it very uncomfortable for any politician to allow its demolition.

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Tell Pridgeon that he can put a church in a corner of trico. Then he'll start preaching about how it should be saved

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ugh...

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You know that this is a vital piece of our history. You also know this building creates density. These are undeniable reasons to save this building ESPECIALLY if there is a use for it. If the Innovation Center is "busting at the seams", then it only makes sense to expand to a convenient location so to not fracture their cause.

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"You know that this is a vital piece of our history"

I think the word, "vital" is a bit of a reach. It's probably not even in the top 50 buildings in Buffalo.

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Respectfully, preservationists have a limited number of arrows in their quiver. Should you/they be using them in this fight?

Potentially the new build adds to the neighborhood. We're not talking about a new parking lot.

A more proactive approach would be to use this marginal landmark as a chip in securing 'real' landmarks in the area. It's rare that preservationists have any real power, at the moment, you have a little... use it wisely.

Look across the street at the Scientologists building. That's not the first building on that location. Does that make it less impressive? Preservation that looks to preserve the value in a city for future generations is preferable to preservation that just wants to keep anything that's old. The greater value here may be letting the old be removed for a building that can create more value for future generations (jobs).

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ben-

You have put forth many dubious claims, that don't make for a very strong argument unless you can explain what you mean.

"limited number of arrows" ? explain

"new building" adds to the neighborhood? More than keeping the existing? How so?

Preservationists have no power? I guess you haven't been to Canalside, or to the Central Terminal, or to Martin House, etc etc

"more value for future generations"? that's what preservation is all about.

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I agree with Ben, preservationists have no money and hold no political office, so there for they have a limited amount of "arrows". Also, I agree that a new build, that stands out, would add greatly to the community, instead of looking at a hulking elephant with no redeaming architectural features. Last point, preservationists did not come up with the 50 million for the Darwin D Martin, nor did they come up with the 250 million for canalside, so might want to choose your lightning rod accomplishments a little more carefully.

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Therefore is one word and has an "e" at the end. Just sayin'.

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Redeem doesn't have an "a", either.

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Sorry, I didnt know I was writing for a national publication. It's nice to see that you guys are such a fan of my work.

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Perception is reality. If WAREHOUSEDWELLER could spell and compose coherent sentences and refrained from Caps Lock some people might take him seriously.

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Up-

Contrary to what you assert, the fact is that the preservation movement is very powerful and is responsible for an incredible amount of economic development, locally and across the country.

The Darwin Martin house would not be standing if not for contributions large and small -

Starting with the architect that bought it in the 1970's. He lived in it and saved it from ruin. Then UB took control of it, and they helped save it (UB has no money or power?) Subsequent fundraising ($50 million plus) has been contributed by preservationists - government, corporations, and citizens that believe in the value of history and historic preservation (oh, no power or money there, either??)

Preservationists have no money, or clout? Tell that to Robert Wilmers at M&T Bank or the many other individuals and corporations that have contributed huge amounts of money to saving the Martin House.

"Up", you're a real downer.

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HAMP, you could be mildly delusional?

Contrary to what you assert, the fact is that the preservation movement is very powerful and is responsible for an incredible amount of economic development, locally and across the country.

"Locally what have you guys "directly" accomplished?"

Starting with the architect that bought it in the 1970's.

"so he was a preservationist, or just a guy buying a house"

Then UB took control of it, and they helped save it (UB has no money or power?) Subsequent fundraising ($50 million plus) has been contributed by preservationists - government, corporations, and citizens that believe in the value of history and historic preservation (oh, no power or money there, either??)

"so now UB is not only a college, but a preservationist organization? It's funny because if they were such a preservationist how come they built their campus in Amherst?

Preservationists have no money, or clout? Tell that to Robert Wilmers at M&T Bank or the many other individuals and corporations that have contributed huge amounts of money to saving the Martin House.

"so now all philanthropists, are also preservationists?"

Up, you're a real downer.

"that's funny because I've wrote many uplifting comments on here, you just choose to focus on the "realistic" ones.


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Also, everybody who does something concerning an older building/site is not deemped a "preservationist". It's funny because you talk about how great you guys are, but yet most politicians or people in power consider you obstructionists and can't stand you. And most average Joe's think you're a joke.

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You and I were joking in another thread about "how you become a preservationist." I don't know that there is a definitive action that makes you a preservationist but I think regardless of the motive, if you manage to maintain, save or restore any of these older buildings we frequently discuss here you are by default preserving them from demo. Would you call Termini, Croce, Goldman even Paladino preservationists? I would, even if their sole motivation is money driven, the end result is beneficial to all.

Of course there are the "talkers" who raise awareness about it and then there are the "doers" who act upon it. Both are instrumental in the preservation movement.

I think a lot of people tend to label only the "talkers" as preservationists and subsequently "obstructionists", but I think you're overlooking all the "doers" like the above mentioned and especially all the folks who take on smaller projects like many of the homes west of Richmond being rehabbed and many small business owners like 5 points bakery, Sweetness 7 cafe, etc., who are transforming little pockets of the city into attractive and desirable areas again.

The bottom line is that many people get caught up in scemantics of what a preservationist is. I don't think many preservationists consider themselves as such, but slowly and surely their actions by default, make them preservationsts.
Those are the individuals, groups, organizations that have a solid track record of saving buildings and regardless of their label, they have the ability to do more than talk.

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I agree with a lot of what you said besides the developer aspect. I'd say that Rocco and Howard are 50/50 preservation orientated/business orientated. But as far as Croce, I see him as a guy looking to exploit historic tax credits to make a buck. Also, your sentence, " I don't think many preservationists consider themselves as such" speaks volumes about what a preservationist is. If you took a whole room of people and said, "who in here is a preservationist?" The ones that stand up I would consider preservationists. It's like saying if you build a brick fireplace that you're automatically considered a mason.

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What does it matter if you're a self proclaimed preservationist or someone who doesn't label themselves at all? At the end of the day the results are the same, right? Why can't a developer in it to make a buck also be considered a preservationist, even if not self proclaimed? same results again.

I would count Croce as a preservationist because he turned the lights back on in the Statler when no one else did. Regardless of his motives we are all able to enjoy that building today because of him and to his credit he has invested a lot of his personal money into that building. Granted he must follow through but I'm grateful for what it is now.

I would even call the former owner of the Huron Hotel a preservationist because he/she had the foresight to properly mothball the building for future use which is now happening in full swing.

The bottom line is why should we care what labels or titles are given out? If the results end up in a more sustainable city where we salvage our built environment to the furthest extent possible then the rest is irrelavent.

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..."dubious claims" wouldn't warrant a response, would they?

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You'll have to explain how a new building "adds" to the neighborhood in a way that a rehabbed Trico plants does not.

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The issue would seem to be that the 'preservationists' need to convince the BNMC that a rehabbed trico is a better investment than a shiny new build.

I find the 'define' a preservationist thread mildly entertaining. A company/person invests. A preservationist attempts to sway the investors calculation of return on investment by enlightening them about the features/history of a property, making the investor recalculate (example... I may be able to charge a higher rent to a tenant that values E.B. Green architecture..I can't reproduce that in my new project).

A person doesn't flip between being a preservationist/business person. The project in front of them needs to be made more attractive as a rehabilitation project. Can an argument be made for the value of this building, other than it's kind of old?

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At the end of the day the unknown equals money when it comes to working with old buildings. Historic Tax credits def help, but any developer will tell you that it's more cost effective to work with new builds because you know what you're working with. You could demo a wall in an old building and there could be asbestos, cracked pipes, busted studs, water damage, or even faulty wiring. Which for a developer is a nightmare. In the end preservationists will have to sell this as a cheaper alternative, which considering the fact that the Trico has been well documented to be contaminated, would be a hard sell.

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Knock down the POS building sitting on the block bounded by Main, Washington, Burton and Virginia. Do this with the full support and endorsement of the Preservation Board.

Build a brand-spanking new facility there and connect with a sky-bridge to the existing facility.

It's a win for all involved parties: BNMC gets the new facility they want AND NEED. The preservationists get a stay of execution to GTST and figure out how to handle this 600,000 sq ft Leviathan. The community gets another piece of Main St. cleaned up.

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Love the idea of using that block -- it's wasted as surface parking. But perhaps without the demo...

Acronym check: GTST--?

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...long running Dutch soap opera? Either a bit of a stretch, or Reggies got some smart friends.

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It's the plural form of GYST.

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I get the GIST of your acronym.

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Why are there articles still talking about Trico?
1) It is an ugly building
2) The historical value is next to nothing. They outsourced their jobs to Mexico? Why do we want to celebrate that?


Can the preservationist please remove all the Save Trico stickers illegally tagged all over my streets? It will cost the tax payer around 10k to remove them from public property. Not to mention private property (my friends car). Anyway we can trace who did that?

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You can add Termini, Zemsky, Collins and Croce to your list of what you call "preservationists". These are all business people, and all have been responsible for major preservation projects.

Are these people with no money or clout?

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auction the building off to the highes responsible bidder.must have the cash to rennovate.end of story !!!

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I'm in Poland right now, and just spend four days in Warsaw. Few cities have had such a tragic history as Warsaw, and WWII was just the last in a long series of battles. About 90% of the city was totally leveled.

But they did preservationists one better -- not only did they save what they could, they actually rebuilt major parts of the city exactly as it was. They could have just put up new buildings -- doesn't every one want new buildings? But they chose not to.

Today, you really can't tell the difference between the originals and the new builds, because a few decades of 20th and 21st century wear and tear really can age a building fast. The old parts support a major tourist industry, and the streets are filled with cafes, shops, bookstores, active churches, the Presidential Palace, hotels, and even a college of arts. Other parts that survived the war are carefully preserved exactly as they were and house offices of all sorts.

The city is thriving and growing, being the second largest city in Poland, and has a large IT sector.

Warsaw has it all. The same can be said for many cities in Europe -- Berlin, Dresden, London, Krakow, -- I could go on and on about cities that have preserved their historic parts and still have a modern economy. Preserved buildings, rebuilt buildings, and a thriving economy. We know it works, so I really don't want to hear any more crap about how we can't have both.

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Wow. If you're putting pics up on Flickr or anything, please pass along a link. Especially if you happen to find an innovation center or some such thing in Warsaw ;-)

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"They could have just put up new buildings -- doesn't every one want new buildings? But they chose not to."

That statement is historically and factually inaccurate.

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